New technology RUINED

[towel402]

For months i was obsessed with the nokia 3650 until i found out there was this digital rights management crap on it.. And it seems to be the same with every other half decent phone with a colour screen. When i looked on the internet i couldnt find any patched firmware or anything to remove the crap so i didnt bother gettin the phone.. Its just plain dumb, the phone cares more about the "content providers" than you, but it still costs €500... well at least it did at the time, i think its come down now. When i buy something i exepct it to be mine, i dont want it to be doing favours for whatever other guy out there or to be working against me. With so many new things coming out such as PDA's, digital tv things, DVD, stereo and such things they are all infected with this gay DRM crap, or some other clientside restriction, all in favour of some rich company. Maybe the phone applets arent very popular yet but i know ringtones are and i found a way to remove the copy protection from those, but i spent ages looking on the internet for something before i got out my dumb little hex editor to see how would i remove it. A few weeks ago i found one other person in one post on some forum that said how to get rid of it. I was expecting loads of ways to get rid of any copy protection scheme on phones, with patched firmwares, hacks cracks and the whole lot, just like with dvd region coding removal. I thought to myself wtf? am i the only person in the world who doesnt want to put up with this crap? why should i have to do it? im a dumb 15 year old kid, i cant even get linux to run properly? or were all the listings removed from google? its supposed to be my phone, not some dumb tool for rich greedy ringtone companies to make money from the innocent little kids.


I am very pissed off at the hdtv thing - i hope someone will get rid of this god awful broadcast flag crap. But thats another typical example of a potentially l33t piece of technology ruined by crappy clientside DRM bullshit. Same goes for DVD, but thats not so bad as there are so many ways to get around it and even region free dvd players you can buy in any shop.. But just the idea of forking out €1000 for a TV and for it then to tell you what you can and cant do with it, not because its memory is full, or because it simply doesnt have the ability to do it, but to say you cant copy this because the uhh.. music/movie industry wouldnt like it is just outragious. If you spend €1000 for something, its yours, you own it, and if you want to throw it into the river, take it apart and eat it or use it as a coffee table, or if you dont have time for the fat bastard movie companies who sue their own customers... Tough! then it shouldnt have become a TV set.

[crackerjacker]

so let me get this straight your pissed off because you cant custom your own ringtones?

is that it?
because i could not understand why your really pissed off totally at drm. i know drm sucks but what is the complaint?>

i am only guessing.
hmm
maybe i read what you said the wrong way, but you want custom ring tones?
is that it?
who knows

[crackerjacker]

well if you want to add custom ringtones or something then i would be mad to but u seem to be angry at everything drm and i dont blame you in fact you want the company or whatever to put information on the box telling you what it can do and cant do.

so yeah that is what i would expect to when i buy something from a store. I want to see what it can do, if it contains drm crap as well.

um thats all i got to say about this for now, as well u see drm suks. we know this.

but your young to be angry with all of this stuff, there will always be away around these so called limitations and i am glad you were to get more information on that issue because the customer is going to use the product and they are entitled to have a product that meets their needs.

peace

[Pebbles100]

Retailers are starting to make phones that play mp3's. Nokia released the N-Gage, a multi-funtional phone that has an mp3 player. It's kinda big and clunky though, but just my opinion. I don't think the 3650 actually plays mp3's though...but I could have misread it's features.

I don't really know how DRM works, it's too new for me yet. For that reason, they should tell people before they buy it...my guess is they probably won't for the sake of sales -- or it will be in tiny print on the bottom of the box.

[towel402]

no you can still make your own custom ones.. even tho their trying to make it hard to do so, on the nokias at least, i like the new siemens ones, like the SL55, you can change almost everything, it supports MMF ringtones, which ive been making with psmplayer even tho i dont have a phone that can play them LOL and post them on websites, it has some copy protection for java apps, but i think theres warez versions of those, and it prolly supports the mmf copy protection which i can remove with a hex editor.. The nokia ones are awkard to make and they have their own special formats and all that stuff, they do support mmf and midi to some extent but not really anything worth mentioning. Nokias have become too cuddly i think and i dont like anything that isnt easily customisable... The symbian is too cuddly like windoze XP and it has eh *cough* "applications list" instead of the l33t filesystem with siemens phones.

With the MMF format you can specify if things can be copied (forwarded) or edited or saved (all removed by setting that one byte to 0 :) :) :) ) so yeah im pissed off that you cant change them about.

Theres other copy protection too for stuff you download with wap and MMS. I think you can prolly somehow extract them onto a computer with an emulator, and i think you can also somehow get MMS sent to your computer and then change it from there.

Oh and then theres OMA DRM v1.0 which is just plain freaky :devil

Im reeely pissed because they make something really l33t. then they completely ruin it by put DRM on it, i hate drm :blah ... its invasive and it takes away your control and there shouldnt be any restrictions on it in favour of record companies if its your phone not the record company's phone. DRM has ruined all the new products, for me anyway, at least the stuff that nobody is even bothered to try and get past it.

I think the mobile "content" is a joke anyway these days, everyone has the same ringtone, the same background, and the same dumb looking "no fear" logo. You can customise them, but not really, its all the same top 40 hits crap thrown out by ads on tv and the backs of magazines.

Only yesterday i saw that they were selling JPEG backgrounds for €6, like $7 for all you yanks that are like 128x128 pixels give or take. Who evers bright idea it was to put copy protection on ugh... jpeg files should be shot. So im thinking it might even be worth my while to rip that stuff off even tho its all the same. Or make a patched firmware tho i wouldnt have a clue how to patch it, maybe i could be lucky and somewhere in the firmware it says copyprotected in ascii, if they even used that for the copy protection flags but i doubt it ... lol

[towel402]

Retailers are starting to make phones that play mp3's. Nokia released the N-Gage, a multi-funtional phone that has an mp3 player. It's kinda big and clunky though, but just my opinion. I don't think the 3650 actually plays mp3's though...but I could have misread it's features.

I don't really know how DRM works, it's too new for me yet. For that reason, they should tell people before they buy it...my guess is they probably won't for the sake of sales -- or it will be in tiny print on the bottom of the box.

yeah the 3300 plays mp3's, and it has no DRM, at least there shouldnt be (i checked on the site)... You only find out if it has drm crap if you ask a guy who works there but never in my life have i seen a phone in a shop where it said on the list of features "DRM".

I've tried out the n-gage in the shop, it doesnt look like much of a phone tho, its more like a game console.. and then you look at it and you think "you can actually call people on that aswell??? o.O" the guy standing beside me was puzzled about that too lol, he wasnt really sure... but the design of it is much like the 3300,that doesnt look like much of a phone either... bu the specs are good..

still amazed at how many people who havnt the faintest idea what DRM is, or at least not on mobile phones... so maybe thats why theres so little information on getting past it