Anthony Hammilton's new album is "anti-swap"

[aqlo]

Anti-swap CD hits the racks
Tue Sep 23, 6:42 AM ET

By Mike Snider USA TODAY

In his new album, Coming From Where I'm From, Anthony Hamilton reflects on his roots and the directions in which they have led him. His CD, meanwhile, offers a glimpse of the direction the music industry is taking to prevent rampant piracy.


The soulful singer's Arista debut, which arrives in stores today, may look like a traditional CD. But it's the first of an expected wave of CDs intended to keep listeners from swapping songs on the Net.

The disc has two sets of music tracks: one set of "encrypted" songs that can be handled by CD players but cannot be ripped on computers, and a duplicate set of tracks in the Windows Media format. These can be downloaded from the CD to a computer and then transferred to portable devices or recorded to home CDs.

But these "secure digital" tracks cannot be played on another computer should they be uploaded to the Net. "The whole concept was to create a legally licensed structure" for computer use of recorded music, says William Whitmore of SunnComm, which designed the anti-copy technology.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=711&ncid=711&e=9&u=/usatoday/20030923/tc_usatoday/11865096

[rainbowdemon]

Not a good precedent. But how hard is it to transfer to analog, then back to digital? Then share away!! btw/ Who is Anthony Hammilton?

[aqlo]

Some soul guy, yeah I squinted at that too, thought it was an actor from the Howling iv at first

[method]

Oh for fucks sake.. jack it to the sound card and blah blah blah...

In the time it takes anyone to listen to it, they'll have been able to rip it instead.. as long as a stereo/portable CD/whatever has a way of pushing sound to speakers... it's rippable.

When will these retarded, ignorant, moronic assholes learn?? - Piracy is undefeatable. Provide value that makes piracy less worthwhile or suffer the consequences of greed. Such a simple lesson.

And besides.. who the fuck is Anthony Hamilton or is he a lame-ass hoping that copy-protected CDs will make him famous?? .... or do I just not know 'coz I'm a limey?

[lizardsforall]

I can understand that, having the WMA's on the cd for individual use on the pc and portable music players (even on the few that support wma). and rainbowdemon, It's doesn't take too long to convert an analog signal to digital on a pc or on sound equipment, you can even make a crappy copy by plugging in your sound out to your line in on your sound card.

[Lamourlady]

Originally posted by method
Oh for fucks sake.. jack it to the sound card and blah blah blah...

In the time it takes anyone to listen to it, they'll have been able to rip it instead.. as long as a stereo/portable CD/whatever has a way of pushing sound to speakers... it's rippable.

When will these retarded, ignorant, moronic assholes learn?? - Piracy is undefeatable. Provide value that makes piracy less worthwhile or suffer the consequences of greed. Such a simple lesson.

And besides.. who the fuck is Anthony Hamilton or is he a lame-ass hoping that copy-protected CDs will make him famous?? .... or do I just not know 'coz I'm a limey?

nope....nothing to do with limey.......i don't know either.
but yeah......u tell em' method!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kooperman]

Chances are good that Anthony Hamilton ( no, I don't know him either) had no say in the decision about making his CD "anti-swap". The RIAA and the individual record label probably made the call.

[aqlo]

No he's a brand new fcktoy for the record industry, no yahoo on the web except a mention in something from mtv, several yahoo in the news about BMG and fake free sharing

[rainbowdemon]

Oh for fucks sake.. jack it to the sound card and blah blah blah...Yea, really. It looks like I missed the obvious on that one. lol

[Malicious Intent]

Lets have a competition - First one to acquire the first track on the CD wins.....hmmm......use of my signature space for 36 hours! Or what about they are allowed to look at a random thread from the ZP Crib?

[method]

So.. if they're adding this really clever (?) protection to his CD's... how are they supposed to monitor it when he's a nobody and he already has a lot of people who think he's a jerk 'coz of his CD protection.

I wish I could be as dumb, blind and ignorant as the recording industry and make even 10% of what most of their execs make. (don't we all!)

Worse still is, nobody cares about him, hardly anyone will copy his CD's.. and the CD protection company will claim it a success.

Then our money (pumped into the likes of the RIAA) will be wasted filling the back pockets of this CD-Protection company.

What a joke!!

[method]

"use of my signature space for 36 hours!"

if it's valuable.. i guess that means you spam a lot then, eh?

:;) j/k wr

[rainbowdemon]

Worse still is, nobody cares about him, hardly anyone will copy his CD's.. and the CD protection company will claim it a success.
When the next"protected" cd come out by some artist that a lot of people do care about,it will end up all over the p2p networks. Then we will see just how "successful" these idiots think it is.

[Winphuk]

They makers of these disks even admit that they are not 100% unhackable. It will just take a savvy user to do it. It's money down the drain.

[metale]

Put that cd in your discman.
Connect it with the INPUT of your soundcard.

Get CoolEdit, and record the fucking song your discman is playing!!!!

[REDO]

couldnt you also convert those wma's to mp3s?

[Omyn]

Anyone who puts a few dollars into some decent audio equipment can rip it in just a few seconds.

I have an idea for a new anti-copy protection, just make the songs completely silent.

There you have it, copy proof :p

[TC75580]

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70309201440&sql=Bf85gtq6znu4a

Anthony Hamilton is an "urban" artist.

In 1996 he had a single called "Nobody Else" that reached #63 on Billboard's Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks chart.

Quite impressive!!! :mellow

[rainbowdemon]

Originally posted by REDO
couldnt you also convert those wma's to mp3s?
Very easily. Musicmatch Jukebox can do that. So can many others.

[Psilaxs]

Not only that, but there are programs that will examine the data structure of the CD and copy it digitally, instead of reading the redbook audio data itself. I cannot remember which program does this, but i know it it a few.

You could also just create an image of the cd then mount the image virtually using fantom cd rom, Or use ISO buster to extract the WAV files from the CD, lol hell there are so many ways around this it is funny.

[BurntRage]

After searching one of the mp3 release sites, this cd was ripped on 9-13. So I would say their "anti-swap" crap protection doesn't work. I'd post the file name, but being my first post, not sure if I can do that. But it has been ripped. :devil

[rainbowdemon]

Originally posted by BurntRage
After searching one of the mp3 release sites, this cd was ripped on 9-13. So I would say their "anti-swap" crap protection doesn't work. I'd post the file name, but being my first post, not sure if I can do that. But it has been ripped. :devil
It depends on the context. You can say, I like the new cd by xyz. You can't say I just downloaded the new cd by xyz. Give this a read, and welcome to ZP.:fire
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/announcement.php?s=&forumid=28

[BurntRage]

Thanks rainbowdemon.

I read the rules, but still not sure if posting a file name can be done. I guess there's one way to find out.

Anthony_Hamilton-Comin_From_Where_Im_From_(Retail)-2003-xxx

xxx being the release group, which I omitted, as to not draw any "attention" to them.

[rainbowdemon]

Originally posted by BurntRage
Thanks rainbowdemon.

I read the rules, but still not sure if posting a file name can be done. I guess there's one way to find out.

Anthony_Hamilton-Comin_From_Where_Im_From_(Retail)-2003-xxx

xxx being the release group, which I omitted, as to not draw any "attention" to them.
Like that, yes you can. What's not cool is to ask where a file can be d/l from. Or saying that you just d/l a specific file. Just naming a file in a general context is fine.

[Malicious Intent]

Originally posted by BurntRage
After searching one of the mp3 release sites, this cd was ripped on 9-13. So I would say their "anti-swap" crap protection doesn't work. I'd post the file name, but being my first post, not sure if I can do that. But it has been ripped. :devil

Does this mean we have a winner? lol
How does it feel to win such a prize on your first post?
Welcome to ZP.

[Krypt0]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
Not only that, but there are programs that will examine the data structure of the CD and copy it digitally, instead of reading the redbook audio data itself. I cannot remember which program does this, but i know it it a few.

You could also just create an image of the cd then mount the image virtually using fantom cd rom, Or use ISO buster to extract the WAV files from the CD, lol hell there are so many ways around this it is funny.

I was going to bring up that exact same point. I used some of the software mentioned before to test its capabilities... it works good

[rainbowdemon]

Originally posted by Malicious Intent
Does this mean we have a winner? lol
How does it feel to win such a prize on your first post?
Welcome to ZP.
It sounds like we do have a winner!!

[Malicious Intent]

Originally posted by rainbowdemon
It sounds like we do have a winner!!

Well I suppose that I did offer, so if you want anything in my sig BurntRage, PM me. If you have only seen the file and not downloaded it, then that doesn't count.

[shawners]

Originally posted by TC75580
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70309201440&sql=Bf85gtq6znu4a

Anthony Hamilton is an "urban" artist.

In 1996 he had a single called "Nobody Else" that reached #63 on Billboard's Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks chart.

Quite impressive!!! :mellow
THIS IS how a music industry kills mUSIC and the artist.. How in the world would anyone know him unless its uploaded and downloaded. They havent advertised this guy, nothing is played on THE RADIo, never heard the album coming out or touring.> KILLing the artist by not fully exposing them to people who would buy music if they heard it first.

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by Krypt0
I was going to bring up that exact same point. I used some of the software mentioned before to test its capabilities... it works good

Hey Krypt0 Good to see you posting again.

[k-lite_junkie]

my teacher showed me an article in class today that showed a kazaa search that turned up all the songs off Hamilton's new cd. what a joke. i wish i could find that link now.

[Malicious Intent]

Wow, Is p2p on the school syllabus now?
Your homework today is to download a .ogg music file of an unreleased track from a filesharing network of your choice.
You then need to write down the advantages and disadvantages ogg music files compared to mp3 files....

[Theinfamousone]

Yes, I laughed when I read that the RIAA paid Macrovision $103 million for this copy protection. As Method pointed out, i'ts sick that the RIAA execs are so stupid, and yet make more money per year than any of us make in a decade.

Did they expect this to actually stop P2P? Did they expect it to stop all the millions of songs already floating around the internet?

I searched for Anthony Hamilton on Kazaa, 692 files found after searching for one minute, including all of the songs on the album.

Woops, there goes that 103 million. Now no one wants to buy that CD because it's loaded with DRM, increasing the likelyhood of people downloading it vs. buying it.

Dang it. I hate it when that happens.

Sheesh, Malicious, I think you're going to set a record for fastest member in the 1000 post club.

[TC75580]

Originally posted by shawners
THIS IS how a music industry kills mUSIC and the artist.. How in the world would anyone know him unless its uploaded and downloaded. They havent advertised this guy, nothing is played on THE RADIo, never heard the album coming out or touring.> KILLing the artist by not fully exposing them to people who would buy music if they heard it first.
you're exactly right.

it's too bad they really DO believe any type of copyright breaking equals loss in sales.

[shawners]

IF you read all the post lately , malicious has about the fastest reply, and three post per average on the thread.. NOt saying its bad, I just wish the zp buddy got out more =) I mean, arent you in the UK, thats gota be awesome, Im in hot humid texas, no culture what so ever unless you call mexico a culture stimulate.

[BurntRage]

Originally posted by Malicious Intent
Well I suppose that I did offer, so if you want anything in my sig BurntRage, PM me. If you have only seen the file and not downloaded it, then that doesn't count.


I have not downloaded it, only seen the file. So you are safe lol. I was just simply making a point that this "anti-swap" technology either doesn't work, or it as been cracked.

[Caitlyn Marble]

hmm. this reminds me of the felt tip pen trick. "state of the art" technology *cough* deafeated by an ages old plain black marker.
you could almost smell the industry technophobes shitting thier pants, lol. (not that you'd want to....)

it may discourage the common user from ripping, but all it takes is a few halfway intelligent people to stick it on IRC and then its all out.

congrats to the ripper group, and BurntRage for being a new member! :wings

and my condolences to Anthony Hamilton and his fans, that kind of notoriety may bring people try out his music, unforutunatley, they won't be able to listen to it. but that's what p2p is for.

[FreeMuzik4Lyfe]

Hey isn't Anthony H. the guy that sings in the Tupac - Thug'z Mansion video? Nice voice. Too bad this whole thing is gonna screw it up.

[metale]

How many millions dollars Anthony H used to have this anti-copy thing, and it doesn't work!!!

Do you know how many mexicans could be feeded with that money?

lol

[Siskabush]

Simply put, if you can hear it, you can rip it one way or another.

Convert digital to analog, then back to digital. its not that hard.
Man, havent posted in a while...

[Krypt0]

Hey Krypt0 Good to see you posting again.

Thanks Man! After a few weeks of vacation, it's difficult to go back and work. I thought I was going to die without internet (me being all over Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas, and Colorado) but I found a few wifi spots to hook up to along the way... YAY!!

btw.. who the heck is Anthony Hamilton (http://www.mtv.com/bands/az/hamilton_anthony/artist.jhtml)?

[crackerjacker]

pfttttttt
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[Lord_of_the_Dense]

cj, you're an ass :P

[crackerjacker]

cj, you're an ass :P

yeah how about getting your ass on a certain u know what
or u two busy?

[Lord_of_the_Dense]

Oh I will, u can bet on that.

Still haven't heard any Anthony Hamilton yet. Must be anti-swap alright.

[infringer]

I heard of these CD protections its not the first attempt.

Tired of being controlled with what you buy and how you use it ?
If a chick wished to buy a screwdriver and use it as a dildo we dont complain about this. Though to some, it may be obscene what you do with a product you buy should be left up to you you paid for it if you wanna use shampoo on your armpit hair there should be no rule against it. Same goes for you CD's Record 100 backups if you like just for yourself I mean really if its not with intent to sell what is the fuggin big deal ...

There is no way to stop a CD or DVD or any forum of media from being recorded untill the RIAA & MPAA stop wasting there money on these frivolous lawsuits and lame copy protection scheems and produce a medium from which not only can someone rip cds but they can also convert and download them I say hardie har!

If they spent as much money on there producing a legal file sharing network without all the bull chit they would have made tons of money instead they still make lame attemps at trying to control the usage of the end users products... Now that things are not being recorded on casset tapes all of a sudden the rules of fair use should change?

Horseshit!

Some theroies on how to by pass this copy protection are:

-Running black permanant marke on the outermost edge of the CD or where the copyprotection scheme is built in (usually outer edge and is easy to spot...).

-Disabling autorun of the CD in some cases this works.

-Or good old fashioned analong recording.

-infringer-

[nukehella]

Actually when this album came out some student from Princeton,I think,found out that Sunncomms lame protection could be defeated by holding down the shift key.Then they tried to sue him for telling people about it.
Use the shift key,go to jail.

[crackerjacker]

well all u need is total recorder.
fuck that shit.
:)