Old Hitler Article Stirs Debate

[crackerjacker]

blog on?
does this hold water. limitations of copyright.
u decide.
basically the preservation of historical documents should supercede copy right law in my opinion.
do you agree or dont ya.

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,60523,00.html

[Malicious Intent]

Thats an interesting page crackerjacker.
Since the article is so old, its not like the publishers can continue to make money from it. It has become part of history, which I feel belongs to everyone. By the publishers holding back this information, they could be holding back further understanding of the era. An era that we shouldn't forget.

[aqlo]

U.K. copyright, however, recognizes a related concept called "fair dealing," which Jaszi said tends to be interpreted much more narrowly than its American cousin. He added that the "public interest" exception is more of a theory than a reality in current U.K. law, and probably would not apply to this case. Yes thanks for this CJ, I'm learning stuff I didn't know, the devil is in the detail.

[Malicious Intent]

Morning Aqlo

There is some more information about UK Fair Use in this thread:
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14836

[aqlo]

Thanks Malice I was missing that. So the law is changing as we go along, that seems kind of reasonable, even if it isn't flexible enough to catch up.
:mellow

[Wolfie]

Sounds like everyone is getting a wee bit touchy about the boundaries of copyright law these days.

[aqlo]

I expect the dinosaurs were pretty touchy there at the end too wolfie :þ

[Malicious Intent]

Originally posted by Wolfie
Sounds like everyone is getting a wee bit touchy about the boundaries of copyright law these days.

Don't you think this topic has been going on for a long time? What was that article posted a while back about scouts and carol singers singing copyright songs?
I think that it is just in the public eye now more than ever.

[Wolfie]

yep, I can almost hear that asteriod getting closer, aglo. ;)

[Malicious Intent]

Is it just me, or do these poll options not make any sense?

[aqlo]

It's just you Malice.
When I happen to think of it I will find a dixion 4u

smop smop smop, woot woot! :gj

[Malicious Intent]

From yourDictionary.com

Sorry, no words matching "Dixion" were found

[Pebbles100]

That's so ridiculous. As long as Simon credited the original author/publisher, I don't understand what all the fuss is about. It's educational. ???

[Mitsugi]

How long does copyright lasts?

[Malicious Intent]

UK copyrights last for 70 years after the author dies. Little bit to go yet then...

[ston]

I'd like to read that article out of curiosity. Too bad the scan is unreadable.

Understand that copyright really has nothing to do with it. A lot of people simply do not want any information about Hitler to be available that does not thoroughly condemn Hitler. The application of copyright law in this case is just the most convenient tool to supress this ancient article that has absolutely no possible commercial value.

Anyway , Gerald Levin, the CEO of Time-Warner (the present copyright holder of this article about Hitler) is Jewish, so don't expect much sympathy from him.

[Kooperman]

It's important that all aspectsconcerning media coverage of historical figures, good or evil, are preserved for future generations to see. The manner in which various media viewed these figures also needs to be preserved, so that a clear focus can be given to the prejudices and spin wizards of the era.

[Ken17625]

They should sue hitler.

That would be cool huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh.




Seriously, some people are really fucking stupid.

[crackerjacker]

Originally posted by Pebbles100
That's so ridiculous. As long as Simon credited the original author/publisher, I don't understand what all the fuss is about. It's educational. ???

yeah but seemly enough they dont care. btw guess who owns the magazine.
time warner.
but i did read where they said that people had copies of it all over the web.
i mean hmm who knows.
copy right this copy right that
I mean the work should be protected but its not like its going to be sold to make money u know.
I mean if someone is going to make money from this then that would be a problem, unless the money would go to a good cause or charity that would be better.
But sometime laws should be change specifically for the educational aspect of it.
:)

[Malicious Intent]

Decendents of Hitlers victims have tried suing everyone else, so I don't see why not the man himself.

[Kooperman]

Here's another of those historical figures:

[Empire]

You think that's bad, some law in the US is actually copyrighted! That's right, you can't even get a copy of the actual law without paying someone's copyright fees. Since the state or federal government sleazed out and didn't pay for distributing copies of the law, a private company was awarded the copyright.

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/6/15/23058/1961

That's pretty ridiculous. If the courts are upholding that kind of scam you can be sure they aren't going to do anything to change the laws for mp3 anytime soon.

[aqlo]

What if the laws don't have to change? I mean a couple will, like that subpoena-without-a-judge thing, but what if there was enough music available for everyone to share without "stealing" at all?

What if the artists started making a profit again by leveraging their resources properly instead of complicitly fighting a losing battle against every carrier and college and web-broadcast their corporate masters could find (0.0% by the way). What if they started cooperating instead of competing and the whole big sham of the record industry fell right over?

I'm not picking a fight, I just wonder what you think would happen.

[Malicious Intent]

I think that the music industry won't release contracts for mucians to go public. When you join a record company, you are in it for the long haul.
As for new artists, a new system would be a possible alternative. A system where everyone knows in real time what everyone else is downloading, so people know what to look out for and radios know what to play.
Altnet is a possible example of this, which also has a few well-known groups, but so far insn't proving any success.
The new system will have to be good enough to stand on its own two feet. Not spammed around the internet by asking the same mystical question at every oppotunity.

[Omyn]

As for american copyright law I believe I heard somewhere that it last's about 20-30 years after the copyright owner dies.

Correct me if im wrong.

[long time lurker]

" should he take it off the site. yes he should leave it "

if i vote for the first choice what am i voting for. take it off or leave it? good thing the people of florida and california dont have to use this system

[Kooperman]

Originally posted by long time lurker
" should he take it off the site. yes he should leave it "

if i vote for the first choice what am i voting for. take it off or leave it? good thing the people of florida and california dont have to use this system
Lol, if they did, Pat Buchanan might be president today....

[Kooperman]

I'd like to read that article out of curiosity. Too bad the scan is unreadable.

Understand that copyright really has nothing to do with it. A lot of people simply do not want any information about Hitler to be available that does not thoroughly condemn Hitler. The application of copyright law in this case is just the most convenient tool to supress this ancient article that has absolutely no possible commercial value.


Here's the cover of the magazine and the first couple pages...from an Israeli site: http://www.hydepark.co.il/hydepark/topic.asp?topic_id=554707

Here's the last page, from another site: http://www.the-crease.org/page195.jpg

[ston]

Thanks, Kooperman.


The Israeli scans are quite good, very well enhanced. Too bad they only did the first 2, as the scan on the other site is about as unreadable as the originals.

Anyway, rather boring article unless you are into house furnishings. It sort of makes Hitler look like a rather well-cultured aristocrat. No mention of any piles of human skulls in the basement. :)

[Kooperman]

Thanks, Kooperman.


The Israeli scans are quite good, very well enhanced. Too bad they only did the first 2, as the scan on the other site is about as unreadable as the originals.

Anyway, rather boring article unless you are into house furnishings. It sort of makes Hitler look like a rather well-cultured aristocrat. No mention of any piles of human skulls in the basement. :)

If you open the last page with Windows Picture And Fax Viewer you can enlarge it to a readable size, albeit a little fuzzy. It's still a fluffy piece.

[Pebbles100]

It sort of makes Hitler look like a rather well-cultured aristocrat. No mention of any piles of human skulls in the basement. :)


Yeah, it does give the "Fuhrer" [notice they keep drilling that word] a sense of ... normality. lol - Hitler propaganda at it's finest. This is the type of article history books should use as a learning tool. All of the stuff I've read about Hitler while taking history classes -- it's rare to see an entire article from a paper. You are taught over and over that Hitler controlled the press, yet they give you no clear examples of what was actually said....

[crackerjacker]

hmm anyone got information on creative commons post it here

[Lehk]

How long does copyright lasts?

forever for everything created in the years AM (After Mickey)