Kinda Late to Complain

[Thalus999]

Look, who can blame the RIAA? They are charged with enforcing the copyrights in music. That is what they are paid to do. They tried to get the court to prohibit software makers like Grokster from making P2P programs. The court said: "Sorry, you have to go after the actual people who are doing the infringement." So they had no choice but to sue the pirates themselves. My sources tell me to expect at least 10,000 law suits by year end. I am also told that local law firms all over the country are taking the cases on contingency so they are counting on getting money in settlements or in court awards. This is real folks. Like it or not, the law is on RIAA's side and all the boycotting and whining will do nothing to change it. If you don't want to get sued, don't share music!

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[Ken17625]

Troll.


Prepare for a backlash.

[dverma75]

Originally posted by Ken17625
Troll.


Prepare for a backlash.

Totally agree


http://profiles.yahoo.com/Thalus_of_marcantia

looks like the e-mail account was opened on Sept 9 also.

[Omyn]

BAN HIM! BAN HIM NOW !

Support the RIAA, theyve been ripping off artists for years why the hell should we support them?

He probably works for them too...

[Kooperman]

Originally posted by Thalus999
[B] If you don't want to get sued, don't share music!
B]

OK, and I really prefer not sharing a Forum with yet another troll-boy....with sources, yet.

[jonnymnemonic]

All they can realistically do is lobby for strong DRM, and begin releasing music only that way. Even that won't work totally (analog recording methods, etc), but it would stem the tide.

Of course, there is a very nasty downside to strong DRM for them too - the only thing preventing the human race from forming a gigantic legal library of purchased works is the lack of strong DRM. If they provide us that, it is a powerful two-edged sword that could just as easily behead them.

Once 50,000 people make their Madonna CDs available in the library for loan, no one will buy another, because that number would be sifficient to satisfy the demands of the entire planet. They sell MILLIONS of CDs now, but that'd cut out 95 percent of their business. If they think a 31 percent loss is big, they haven't seen anything yet if we get our hands on strong DRM, and thereby enable legal network loaning.

Pretty much, the future holds no promise for them. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. It's like they're in a burning building built within the cone of an active volcano. They can jump from the house to the volcano and back again, and repeat that as often as they wish, but it's going to be excruciatingly painful wherever they jump.

But you're right - they ARE paid to fight the good fight, so they'll go down fighting because they must.

The only thing that concerns me is the welfare of our writers, musicians and movie makers. If they get screwed, we will lose them, and I personally like to read a new book by a favorite author, watch a new movie, listen to a new CD. I could easily live the rest of my life enjoying what has ALREADY been created, but if I can have access to new stuff too, that's certainly preferable.

[tMoD]

Originally posted by Thalus999
Like it or not, the law is on RIAA's side and all the boycotting and whining will do nothing to change it. If you don't want to get sued, don't share music!

I've been saying all along that the RIAA is likely to win; by that I mean drive filesharing underground. If, however, you're telling me to start buying from, and thereby supporting, the exploitative pricks because we can't win- fuck you. That's like telling someone under an oppressive government to join the death squads because they can't win. For me it's ethical, not practical. I will continue to fileshare for as long as I feel I can get away with it- it's called "civil disobedience."

[Theinfamousone]

Great post Johnny. I hadn't thought of the digital library thing.

There's a few things I will say though.

I don't see a big lending library becoming very popular for a few reasons.

One is, the concept of owning a CD and the music thereon has it's own reward. I've never liked the idea of being able to only listen to something when I have the permission of someone else. Or having to pay a subscription for my music, and once I stop paying, the fun is over. That's why iTunes has taken off, people like the idea of being able to listen to it forever, and put it on a CD and listen to it in the car or at a party or whatever.

Another is that it's completely impractical. It would require huge amounts of bandwidth, who would pay for that? You would only be able to listen to it for a limited amount of time, I'd rather just buy the CD. Mainly because, since it's being lent to me, I can't burn it on a CD and listen to it in the car, because how are you going to control where the music is played after it's burned on a CD?

Another is that the court system would never allow that to happen. The Recording Industry gets whatever it wants in the courts, that seems pretty clear. Besides the Grokster and StreamCast case, the law is completely on their side in everything. They are already barely tolerating the idea that people can make personal copies. There's no way the courts would let us kill a multibillion dollar industry (RIAA) just because of some legal loophole (as filehoover so eloquently put a while back).

But on the other hand, I can't see these RIAA lawsuits going much further. The millions the RIAA is wasting on their war, the millions we are donating to fight back, the endless hours programmers are spending to fight back, the millions of dollars of taxpayer dollars that are being wasted on the thousands of subpeonas and endless paper work isn't helping ANYONE! The only winners here are the people that aren't being caught file sharing. Sharman is making millions, CDR media and burner companies are making lots of money and the ISPs are getting tons of customers.

In the end, the only way to set up an uneasy truce is to levy CD-Rs and mp3 players. Canada seems to be fine with how their system is. Everybody wins.

[Pebbles100]

Originally posted by Thalus999
Like it or not, the law is on RIAA's side and all the boycotting and whining will do nothing to change it. If you don't want to get sued, don't share music![

Umm...boycotting and whining...yeah ...

GREAT things happened due to mass 'whining', [ie - civil rights/minority rights, etc.]. That's why we live in the United States. If you don't like our whining, common sense would tell you not to read our posts. Some speculate that the cd [might] follow the same path as vinyl. Technology brought change - that's life. Maybe it's not us afterall who need to change.

[Thalus999]

Originally posted by Omyn
BAN HIM! BAN HIM NOW !

Support the RIAA, theyve been ripping off artists for years why the hell should we support them?

He probably works for them too...

Ok, call me a troll because I stirred up some dissent. But the fact of the matter is I do not work for the RIAA. I just know some lawyers who work in the field. Even if you discount what they have told me, I can't figure out why everyone is so mad at the record industry for making use of the existing laws. That is what they get paid to do. I am a musician who puts out my own CDs. I am not signed with a record company. But it is getting almost impossible to sell my recordings because one person gets one at a concert and the next thing I know it is all over the Internet. If you support musicians, don't share their music. Flattery is one thing. Paying my rent and feeding my baby is another.

[jonnymnemonic]

My vision of the giant legal superlibrary is a giant government-funded network with massive bandwidth, paid for with tax dollars. (Tax dollars pay for all libraries anyway, so why not simply extend the concept.)

Now, when you buy a DRM'd CD (for lack of a better term), you are able to connect to this library and notify it that you are willing to loan the music on it to others. When someone asks for a specific song, the computer checks the number of available licenses, and if it is greater than 0, it sends a message to the original purchaser of the music and his computer locks that machine from playing that song. When that computer verifies that the song has been successfully locked, the government computer sends the song to the person wanting to check it out. Either it immediately starts playing or he gets a specified time (say, 15 minutes), at which time it expires on his computer and the library updates its record that the license is now available again for someone else.

The "checkout time" would obviously vary - movies take a while to watch, books even longer to read. That could be set on a global basis perhaps, or possibly the original license holder could set that value and people could browse the available licenses and check out the longest. That's just details though.

Now, is there an advantage to owning the "real" CD? Of course, because you could always do a "license reclaim" and withdraw your donations from the library, either singly or en masse, and revert to a more selfish non-loaning aspect. No biggie, that's what you paid for. All donations to the superlibrary would be voluntary (although, like any library, it could have a budget to buy some stuff itself to stock its own shelves for the borrowing public).

Now, would anyone USE such a library? I sure would! I like to listen to (and read, and watch) fairly non mainstream stuff, which would be less likely to not be available. (Of course, that's also stuff less likely to be IN the library too, but at least some of it would). I'd get massive bandwidth (go tax dollars!) and whatever quality I wanted (go tax dollars!), and I wouldn't need to allocate any physical storage space and very little disk space. In effect, that remote system would act like a sluggish remote hard drive. And it would be entirely legal.

Not got enough money for the new Live Phish Volume? No biggie, check the library. Yay, it's there, woohoo, poor people checking out stuff they like from the library!

And it could be specified in wills that all your licenses get donated to the superlibrary, for the future enrichment of mankind. Like, add that to the back of drivers' licenses and stuff. "You can have my heart, eyeballs, testicales, and all my licenses for music, movies and books go to the superlibrary."

I have 10,000 *legal* songs I have purchased. I can listen to, at any one time, ONE SONG. So I can, at BEST, make 0.01 percent efficient use of what I have paid for. Why should I ONLY be able to loan the stuff to others face-to-face and not over a network? Strong DRM could solve that problem and then we'd go from being extremely inefficient with our use of licenses to massively efficient, just like that. It would change the world. And it would be moral, ethical, legal, fast, with top-notch quality, no fakes, no bleeps or blips.

True, the RIAA (and MPAA, and book publishers) might try to fight this idea legally. They probably would. But it's such a logical extension of what we already do that it WOULD get passed, if we can cross the technological hurdle that ensures it IS a loan and not a copy.

[shawners]

i could EASILy solve the problem..ALL RECORDINg companies have a software that enables you to download all the songs ever with that recording company, and it tells you before you download. SONG LENGTH and the cd length to make a burn copy, Say Five dollars per cd.. Out of 18 tracks, although after burned on the cd, you can still encode the cd and put on a p2p site enabling people to get your legaly purchased cd.. so its a system devoloped on a trust.

[Ken17625]

Ok, call me a troll because I stirred up some dissent.

At least you admit to it. When you used the word "stirred", you gave yourself away.



If you support musicians, don't share their music. Flattery is one thing. Paying my rent and feeding my baby is another.

Actually, at $17.99 for a compact disc, artists deserve nothing.

I know nothing about you, or what your music is (what your charging, etc...), but honestly, I don't care. Your music will stand on it's own merits. If it's good and reasonably priced (unlike RIAA affiliated music) then people like me will buy it. How do I know this? Artists who I think are "good" (not the occasinal radio single/one-hit-wonder. It takes a lot to make it onto my "good" list) I usually BUY. Yes thats right, I BUY music (on rare occasions these days due to an overwhelming influx of crap).


So if someone is pirating your music, don't come crying to people who most likely never heard of you.

In the words of Arnold S...........................Stop whining.

[jonnymnemonic]

Once strong DRM can reliably insure a loan does not become a copy, legal precedent is all on our side. Loaning of what you have purchased has been an established part of economics for centuries or longer. The RIAA and MPAA and book publishers - all of them have come right out and SAID that they have no problem whatsoever with LOANING, but that it is COPYING that is the problem.

They can't try to assert property values on digital media and ignore the loaning aspect. If they can sell you a product over a network legally in digital form, there is no valid reason that people should not be able to loan it as well, once is is verifiably a loan.

It WOULD be interesting to see what arguments they would make against the concept. We were for loaning, but now we are not? Try to make loaning illegal, so property becomes non-transferable? (Bye bye used car lots, pawn shops, e-bay, and a zillion other things.) It would be extremely difficult for them to argue against loaning when hundreds of years of law and their own words support the idea.

Yes, it would certainly change all the relevant industries. Perhaps they'd simply compensate by offering two different types of licenses, non-transferrable ones (tied to a specific person indefinitely and unchangeably) and sell those cheap, but transferrable licenses...kapow, a thousand times the price?

I dunno, but strong DRM is on the way, and it's going to get interesting (okay, MORE interesting) when it arrives. To be sure, there are some sucky things about DRM, but like I said, it's really a two-edged sword. There's some real nice potential there for the consumer too.

[Winphuk]

Don't ban these people, just ignore them.
If they get no attention they'll give up and go away.
Definetly don't debate with them. They came here with their minds made up. You won't convert them to file sharing.

[aqlo]

Now is a good time to buy t-shirts folks. Show your support for our brothers in the trenches. Let people know what side you are on. Whether you are just here to get your fix or enlisting for the long haul, black or white or shades of grey, there's a flag for you to fly right here.

http://www.zeropaid.com/php/shirts.php

[MainManMoe]

I think Thalus made a good post. It is not new perspectives, we all know the riaa as an organization is doing their job because its their job. We also know, that despite all our well intended but not always very well thought out arguments, sharing copy righted music is illegal. We also know the only way to be safe is not to share. So nothing new under the sun.

Still, a few points may be made. Say the Riaa files 10.000 seperate court cases. In order to deal with these court cases, the Riaa would have to open a legal department larger than riaa's original size. Think about the time and manhours it would take to settle "just" 10.000 cases. And there are millions of us! So they may be filing cases and send insisting letters, but the matter will be settled on the macro scale. Besides the few very large seeders in p2p, I doubt anyone has anything to fear (besides having to change isp a few times lol).

Second, there is the issue of civil disobedience. I do loose some confidence in people who write things like " GREAT things happened due to mass 'whining', [ie - civil rights/minority rights, etc.]. That's why we live in the United States."..Im not exactly sure there is any kind of coherent thought behind such utterings. But, the supposed point in it is valid. To many filesharers it feels like the industry has been ripping them off. They dont feel theyre doing anything wrong morally, so they feel incriminated by the existing laws. In this respect it is similar to smoking marihuana. Millions of people feeling incriminated, loosing respect for all laws as they percieve societys rules to be unjust and insane. Im not talking about riots in the streets, Im talking about a long-term secularization of morals, that in itself leaves the system the Riaa is based upon chanceless.

I think your post is very relevant, especially as you seem to have some "inside" information on legal movements, and I dont agree with the reception your post has gotten. Do anyone really think employees of the Riaa comes around to post in this forum? Thats just ridiculous. I hope you will find that some here are interested in a discussion rather than a smear campaign.

Seems there are more trolls against the riaa than for, around here. Look at how this thread was almost destroyed by trolls. Who wants to make serious posts here just to be met with this :

Omyn BAN HIM! BAN HIM NOW !

Support the RIAA, theyve been ripping off artists for years why the hell should we support them?

He probably works for them too...

dverma75 quote:
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Originally posted by Ken17625
Troll.
Prepare for a backlash.
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Totally agree
http://profiles.yahoo.com/Thalus_of_marcantia
looks like the e-mail account was opened on Sept 9 also.

Ken17625 Troll.

prepare for a backlash. "

Seriously, you are ruining everyones forum experience with this paranoid..noise! Some person here has spread the misconception that the term trolling is derived from trawling, a method of dragging a net or line along the bottom of the ocean. This is ofcourse just an illiterate teenage misconception. Trolling refers to the mythical being, a troll, a mysterious being that seems to be everywhere spreading chaos and havoc. Unfortunately this misconception means that anyone posting here on a subject of controvercy is harrassed as being a troll, rather than recieving serious responses. Thalus post is very relevant in light of the recent discussion here on the legality of filesharing, and fortunately Im not alone in taking this discussion seriously. Lets not forget that so far Thalus is speaking about here-and-now facts and we are speaking about our dreams. It would be unfair, irresponsible and cowardly of us, to tell the novice filesharer who come here looking for this information, anything else than Thalus conclusion "the only way to be safe is not to share". Because he is right whether we like it or not.

[jonnymnemonic]

The only way to be safe IN THE U.S. is not to share. Different countries have different rules, and ours don't apply everywhere, and the people who visit this site are a mixed bag, many not in the U.S.

And it should be qualified even further, really. The only way to be safe in the U.S. is to share only with those who merit your trust that they aren't going to turn you in. E.g., private WASTE networks, person-to-person trading, etc, etc - those are all safe, even in the U.S.

PUBLIC sharing in the U.S. does indeed seem to be rather dangerous from a legal perspective. I certainly don't do share files publicly, because, well, I'm a pussy and I've been behind bars, and I've been broke, and I discovered I didn't particularly enjoy either.

[Pebbles100]

MainManMoe -
Ken's just being cynical. At times, I find [**much needed**] humor in what he says. Just don't take it personal.

[MainManMoe]

@johnny, sorry man but I think the "qualifying" you propose is totally irrelevant to what he says.


Hello Pebbles. Im sure youre right, I dont know any of these users nor their agenda. I just got a little angry because this is by far not the first post Ive seen here being recieved so childishly, and I know I myself would hate using my time on a post just to see the first three posters acting like monkeys, and their naive illusions tainting the entire thread. I didnt mean to be after any of these users, Im sorry if I came across harsh, I only meant to ask this kind of users, if you dont have anything relevant in response to a post, please just let it be because maybe someone else thinks they have something relevant to say, and all the good intentions just drown in these "real" trolls. If I wanted to have a serious conversation on a background of meaningless yelling, I could just call the mother of my children Lol

[Thalus999]

[i]Actually, at $17.99 for a compact disc, artists deserve nothing.

I know nothing about you, or what your music is (what your charging, etc...), but honestly, I don't care. Your music will stand on it's own merits. If it's good and reasonably priced (unlike RIAA affiliated music) then people like me will buy it. How do I know this? Artists who I think are "good" (not the occasinal radio single/one-hit-wonder. It takes a lot to make it onto my "good" list) I usually BUY. Yes thats right, I BUY music (on rare occasions these days due to an overwhelming influx of crap).


So if someone is pirating your music, don't come crying to people who most likely never heard of you.

In the words of Arnold S...........................Stop whining. [/B]

How much should I charge for a CD then? I charge $10 to $12 which covers the cost of pressing, printing, transportation and maybe $3 extra. If I sell 10 at a concert, it is a good night. The big $30 I make barely pays my gas to get to the gig. And, in case you never worked as a musician, most gigs pay crap. So it is a challenge to keep food on the table. File sharing is killing independent musicians like me and my band.

You are right -- the music stands on its own. It is a big hit on Kaaza. But I don't get a damn thing from that. And I deserve it!

[CaptainMorgan]

I really have to say that this thread. Is a very interesting disaster.

If you read from the top, it appears clearly a trivial flame war.

But inside, there is deep wisdom by jonnymnemonic. Jonny I really wish your argument had it's own thread, as it is a perspective that most people have not heard.

MainManMoe has some inspired wisdom about the practical realities of what CAN happen, but it is littered with more flame bait.

Can't we all just get along? NO! (taking Moe's bait)

For definitions like Troll I believe the Jargon File is usually acknoledged as the canonical source. [ur=http://pinewo.ods.org/cgi-bin/jarl?query=Troll]See Troll[/url]

Such is life in cyberspace.

[jonnymnemonic]

The term 'troll' arose in the 80s on UseNet to describe people who attempt to cause arguments and dissension in order to get attention for themselves. They may propose arguments they don't even believe, because their goal is merely to elicit responses, usually angry ones, not to sway opinion or to make any particular point. And even if the origin of the word "troll" has nothing to do with the word "trawl", trawling for attention IS actually what they do.

In this respect, a person posting a pro-RIAA standpoint on a p2p site like this *could* be a troll, looking for attention by inciting a bunch of flames in response to a position he knows the majority here would likely have a problem with.

On the other hand, I don't really care, personally. I'd rather hear opposing points of view (and rational supporting arguments) than simply listen to a bunch of people constantly agreeing with each other. And any post a troll makes (and I am not saying he IS one, just that he *could* be one) can be turned into a decent discussion if other people make that happen.

On the OTHER other hand, the best thing to do with trolls, they say, is to ignore them, since it is attention they seek. But if I can help take something posted trollishly and turn it into a real discussion, well, that seems even better than ignoring a troll. Maybe it's not better from the standpoint of "punishing" the troll or weaning him of the behavior, but from the standpoint of those who read the discussion anyway, who obviously outnumber the troll himself. The needs of the many, blah blah blah.

[Ken17625]

How much should I charge for a CD then? I charge $10 to $12 which covers the cost of pressing, printing, transportation and maybe $3 extra. If I sell 10 at a concert, it is a good night. The big $30 I make barely pays my gas to get to the gig. And, in case you never worked as a musician, most gigs pay crap. So it is a challenge to keep food on the table. File sharing is killing independent musicians like me and my band.

You are right -- the music stands on its own. It is a big hit on Kaaza. But I don't get a damn thing from that. And I deserve it!

Really? Who or what are you? (so I can download your material)?

Just kidding of course.

My price is $5.99. If that's way too little, you're out of luck (with me at least). This is, of course, also considering wether or not I like your music. You can call anything music, but that doesn't make it appealing enough to buy it. The key here is talent.


MainManMoe, i'm sorry you feel the way you do, however, I really don't care. Welcome to Zeropaid!

Pebbles, i'm not cynical, I speakith the thruth.


Now bow down before your new master.......................:fire

No matter what you do at ZP, he'll be here; watching.

[Pebbles100]

I gotta give you credit for cracking me up Ken... :gj

[tMoD]

Originally posted by Thalus999
How much should I charge for a CD then? I charge $10 to $12 which covers the cost of pressing, printing, transportation and maybe $3 extra. If I sell 10 at a concert, it is a good night. The big $30 I make barely pays my gas to get to the gig. And, in case you never worked as a musician, most gigs pay crap. So it is a challenge to keep food on the table. File sharing is killing independent musicians like me and my band.

You are right -- the music stands on its own. It is a big hit on Kaaza. But I don't get a damn thing from that. And I deserve it!

You are getting ripped-off (or you're a liar). It only costs about two dollars per CD (jewel case, sleeve, and all) to mass produce a CD.

[MainManMoe]

Originally posted by CaptainMorgan
MainManMoe has some inspired wisdom about the practical realities of what CAN happen, but it is littered with more flame bait.

Can't we all just get along? NO! (taking Moe's bait)


Haha I assure you, I did NOT put out bait for the fish, I am not interested in yelling contests. I would never assume we could all get along, dont worry, if you think Im that naive please reread my post ;-)

MainManMoe, i'm sorry you feel the way you do, however, I really don't care. Welcome to Zeropaid!

ken, I didnt mean to target you but Im saddened that you dont give a fuck. It would take so little effort on everyones part to keep things interesting, for most it would only require that they didnt do anything at all! Lol Thanks for the welcome :-)

[Winphuk]

Originally posted by Thalus999
How much should I charge for a CD then? I charge $10 to $12 which covers the cost of pressing, printing, transportation and maybe $3 extra. If I sell 10 at a concert, it is a good night. The big $30 I make barely pays my gas to get to the gig. And, in case you never worked as a musician, most gigs pay crap. So it is a challenge to keep food on the table. File sharing is killing independent musicians like me and my band.

You are right -- the music stands on its own. It is a big hit on Kaaza. But I don't get a damn thing from that. And I deserve it!

Who are you and what's the name of your band. Don't lie!
If what your saying about your independent band is true, Kazaa could be the best thing that ever happened to you, or else you would have to depend on getting signed and then you would probably never be heard.
I am a musician too, and Iv'e played crappy gigs, and payed for my own CD production but if my songs got out on p2p, then I would be thanking God, because that is the only way that your band will ever be succesfull if you don't get picked up by a major label.
If I were you, I would build a website and give away all the songs for download.Otherwise they'l just sit in your basement and rot. You will have 1000 copies of CDs that never got heard nor sold.

[IshareManyFilez]

Originally posted by Winphuk
Who are you and what's the name of your band. Don't lie!
If what your saying about your independent band is true, Kazaa could be the best thing that ever happened to you, or else you would have to depend on getting signed and then you would probably never be heard.
I am a musician too, and Iv'e played crappy gigs, and payed for my own CD production but if my songs got out on p2p, then I would be thanking God, because that is the only way that your band will ever be succesfull if you don't get picked up by a major label.
If I were you, I would build a website and give away all the songs for download.Otherwise they'l just sit in your basement and rot. You will have 1000 copies of CDs that never got heard nor sold.

I completely agree. Take Blink 182 for example. They started out as a little garage band, running crappy gigs. And they coulden't exactly pay the gas either my friend. But do you know how they become popular. People would take a sample mix tape or cd of theirs, and record it to another one. Because of this they got popular, and in my opinion are a great band. And yet Blink 182 disaproves of the Riaa. Think im wrong, go to downhillbattle.com, and 1 poster is entitled thinkblink. Its about how the RIAA strips everything from them. So if you were a truely great musician, and not just some pop icon, you should love people sharing your music. A true musician isen't about how much money you make, its about how truely excelent the music is. And hey if you can't pay the bills get a job, Blink did it and look where they are now.

[Ken17625]

ken, I didnt mean to target you but Im saddened that you dont give a fuck.

Please don't be sad, nobody is.

I don't get targeted a lot, so I feel kind of special.........kinda.

[FutureIverson]

if your afraid, that's you it's a personal decision to stop sharing. "But if paying for a cd is your way of supporting an artist, that yours i say pass, I try finding other ways why still getting free music. Peace and Props

[Thalus999]

Originally posted by IshareManyFilez
So if you were a truely great musician, and not just some pop icon, you should love people sharing your music. A true musician isen't about how much money you make, its about how truely excelent the music is. And hey if you can't pay the bills get a job, Blink did it and look where they are now.

What a load of crap. I am a musician as a career. I do not wait tables or bag groceries. I support my family playing music -- and have more longer than most of you have been alive. Sure I love music. I could make more doing just about anything else. But artists have a right to make a living. File swapping does NOT help us -- contrary to the ignorant comments made on this board.

[FutureIverson]

what kinda troll are you? a bad one, if you are against file sharing why are you here? I know there are a whole bunch of people at zeropaid who aren't all about filesharing, and who don't agree on several issues. But i don't know anyone here who is against p2p, otherwise your at the wrong kind of forum. you may not be an riaa troll, but your still a troll do we need to get the dictionary again? If you are against filesharing we don't wanna hear it, i hope you get banned down the line, cool500 makes better post then your bull shit.

edit: i'm not sharing indie music, so im not stealing from you, i share tupac's music i don't think he can get it from me (shout out to Afeina Shakur) !. Everyone get's paid don't be fooled. RIAA will count more loses as the battle goes forward. I hope they enjoy paying our ISP's a fee for digging up our IP info.

[aqlo]

Keep in mind that if this thread gets removed all your brilliant posts will disappear.

http://www.zeropaid.com/php/shirts.php

[FutureIverson]

Originally posted by aqlo
Keep in mind that if this thread gets removed all your brilliant posts will disappear.

http://www.zeropaid.com/php/shirts.php

Very rarely are threads, removed unless they are within the first day or two. Otheriwse they are closed, and people keep their post. I lost maybe 10 post when cool's were deleted. No biggy, they were usually angry words for him

[Ken17625]

What a load of crap. I am a musician as a career. I do not wait tables or bag groceries. I support my family playing music -- and have more longer than most of you have been alive. Sure I love music. I could make more doing just about anything else. But artists have a right to make a living. File swapping does NOT help us -- contrary to the ignorant comments made on this board.

Then you have two options.

A. Find yourself a career that can support your family (which i'm sure is the most important thing to you).

B. Employ RIAA methods (if you can).

Sure, you can post again on this board about how unfair it is, but life isn't fair.

You don't like the sound of that? Well, too bad. Face reality, file sharing is here.

P2P = Free

but

P2P = Leverage for the consumer; a sort of quality filter if you will.

[CaptainMorgan]

Originally posted by Thalus999
What a load of crap. I am a musician as a career. I do not wait tables or bag groceries. I support my family playing music -- and have more longer than most of you have been alive. Sure I love music. I could make more doing just about anything else. But artists have a right to make a living. File swapping does NOT help us -- contrary to the ignorant comments made on this board.

I have created another thread (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14532) where I quote you, and myself and others are offering some constructive suggestions. I invite you to participate if you have not already noticed it.

CaptainMorgan

[IshareManyFilez]

Originally posted by Thalus999
What a load of crap. I am a musician as a career. I do not wait tables or bag groceries. I support my family playing music -- and have more longer than most of you have been alive. Sure I love music. I could make more doing just about anything else. But artists have a right to make a living. File swapping does NOT help us -- contrary to the ignorant comments made on this board.

Now listen I usually don't like to flame people, or even like to call someone a troll. I usually like to respect other peoples opinions, and see a different perspective on something. But now its my turn. You say your a musician as a career? Ok so whats your bands name? Other people have asked you in several posts back and you have failed to come up with an answer. Also, I don't think you have to be worried about people sharing your so called art, or "music". You probaly don't even have a band, nor study music. And if you did no one would want to hear it. A real artist woulden't be at his computer stirring up controversy. He would be on the piano, on the drums, on the guitar trying to think of the next best thing. But yet you still have to stir controversy. Well you know what great job, you've suceeded. And don't act like your a starving artist. I know "real" musicions who have been played on the radio, been in commercials, and even have a studio. But he doesen't use music as a living. He just loves music. He has other legitamite jobs that actually will support his family in the near future. So now for the first time on this website I will say this. Fuck you troll.

PS: Sorry about my language, but in this case i felt it was necessary.

[Winphuk]

Originally posted by Thalus999
What a load of crap. I am a musician as a career. I do not wait tables or bag groceries. I support my family playing music -- and have more longer than most of you have been alive. Sure I love music. I could make more doing just about anything else. But artists have a right to make a living. File swapping does NOT help us -- contrary to the ignorant comments made on this board.

two words for you: Day job.

You still haven't answered my question.
Name of your band please?

[IshareManyFilez]

Exactly he can't face the fact that p2p will live, and people with fake bands, will die.

[cheapprick]

LOL, it's a filesharing site.

What more do you need to know?

I'm going to close this, as only a certifiable nut would go to the forum of something he apparently despises to breathe the light into the members.

Or a troll.

edit - hohoho it is to laugh, I have no rights in the RIAA section. Any other helpful mod around?

[Kooperman]

Certifiable Nuts would be a good band name