RIAA sues 12 year-old girl!

[Jelsoft]

The RIAA are vicious and cold hearted.

Not even the Al Qaeda terrorist group have targeted children!

12-Year-Old Sued for Music Downloading (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96797,00.html)

[Kooperman]

That's just the type story that should make the RIAA either stop this carnage and face the reality of a new technological era and shape a business model accordingly......or charge blindly ahead and immolate themselves in a firestorm of negative publicity.

[BloodStraw]

thats freaking sick

[Ken17625]

Yes, that's sick


But please hold the Al Fucktard comments to yourself. That statement made no sense whatsoever.

[Omyn]

Wow I guess they need peoples money that bad.

Its like their own business model, if we sue more people than we sell cds well make a huge profit.

After all thats what this is about.

I'll be sure to make sure they wont run by my little brothers school and take his lunch money.

Suing a twelve year old girl, how the hell could you do something to someone so little, kids are kids they do not know better.

I think the RIAA needs to go to the "time out" corner for bullying little kids around.

[moshsandwich]

That is absolutely sick. I really hope the RIAA fall flat on their faces on this one and all of their damn lawsuits.
Negative publicity to the RIAA is good publicity to freedom!

Anyways, "The family signed up for the Kazaa (search) music-swapping service three months ago, and paid a $29.99 service charge".... is it me or did they fall for quite an expensive scam?
Also, is it me or are reporters becoming more l337 these days? Lol.
"When reporters visited teh apartment last night"

[method]

Okay, they've crossed the line. [after some advice.. it's probably wise I edit this post!!!]

But yeah.. they'll pay, I'm sure someone will do something about this crap!! :)

Peace!

[Theinfamousone]

Originally posted by method
Okay, they've crossed the line. I'm going to do something about this now and it's got nothing to do with the PeerGuardian bullshit... this will be something else.

Peace!

I'm right with you.

*pulls out sword and handgun*

[Malicious Intent]

On a more positive note, the BPI has condemned the RIAAs action, saying that such brutality will only be used as a last resort! Sounds like I'm safe for a little longer - To Queen and Country!:devil

Hopefully this 12yr old thing is gonna trip up the RIAA, but I doubt it, they must have planned for when this situation arises. I suspect they will just hold parents responsible. After all, the parents blame media companies for their bad parenting.

[tMoD]

There's a good chance they'll drop the suit against this little girl. They don't want to look THAT draconian- that's what the amnesty thing is about as well. I thought they were going to be smart though and use private investigators to help narrow it down to unsympathetic victims. Guess not.

[Malicious Intent]

From BBC news:

"RIAA president Cary Sherman said he hoped the legal action would prompt parents to pay more attention to potentially illegal activities by their children.

"We expect people to say 'It isn't me, it was my kid,' but someone has to take responsibility," Sherman said."

Doesn't look like they will drop it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3091526.stm

[jonnymnemonic]

What they should have done, and it wouldn't have cost them a lot, is hire a few investigators to go through this first batch at least and eliminate the really embarassing cases like this one and the grandpa. Ten or twenty grand and they wouldn't be in this situation. And they should also have used geographic locator software to match IPs to either high-crime urban areas, or well-to-do affluent areas just to start with. And they should really hire someone experienced in conducting psyops campaigns to oversee the whole strategy (since that's what this all is, just a big commercial psyops campaign).

The best thing about the RIAA: every time they do something idiotic, they make me feel smarter. They're really a big ego boost when I'm feeling down on myself. ;)

[Malicious Intent]

"well-to-do affluent areas"

Heaven forbid they should attack someone who stands a chance of fighting back!

[ROMANTICGUY50]

Originally posted by Jelsoft
The RIAA are vicious and cold hearted.

Not even the Al Qaeda terrorist group have targeted children!

12-Year-Old Sued for Music Downloading (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96797,00.html)

The RIAA needs Hung.. Suing a 12 year old. Damn Bastards anyway's

[Skullington]

Another stunning PR coup for the RIAA:mellow . Even they wouldn'nt be dumb enough to try and put a 12 year old in court. Would they ?

[jonnymnemonic]

Well-to-do affluent areas would be a cash cow of settlements. Someone with $20 million who could lose it ALL if they go to court is VERY likely to settle out of court for $50k. Why risk the whole fortune when you can avoid any risk at all by spending what is, to you, a drop in the bucket. A person with $20 million in the bank makes at least a million a year in interest. Even after taxes they're taking in at least forty grand a month just sitting on their reclining chairs. They won't risk the poor house just to avoid spending a month's worth of their interest. I know *I* wouldn't risk *my* whole fortune.

[Skullington]

Yes, but going afer the more affluent would raise the prospect of some music companies executive children in court. An interesting if not slightly stomach churning thought.:green6

[jonnymnemonic]

That won't happen because they don't even have to hire private investigators to prevent THAT embarassing problem, just compare subpoena'd addresses to those of their executives. If there's a match, forget that case. Unlikely that it'd ever happen in any case, but as easy to prevent as an hour of work for some flunky. And even if one slipped thru the cracks, that executive would be sure to pipe up and say, "Yo, guys, if we sue me, we're gonna look stupid."

But of course, they really are run by incompetents, and they've now proven that beyond any shadow of a doubt, so anything is possible I guess. ;)

[Omyn]

Alright people let me squash the rumors about TCP and UDP, TCP is a protocol that checks for errors making it more reliable to transfer files although it takes longer because it uses an algorithm to acknowledge that the packets traveled safely over the network.

UDP is not anonymous you need an ip to connect to another computer no matter what, and that computer needs your ip no matter what.

All UDP is basically is a protocol that had no error checking making it faster, but less unstable those are the only difference between the two.

[WE_DELIVER]

It's all a matter of time before someone gets really pissed of and starts cappin' the RIAA execs

[CaptainMorgan]

Yes!!!! This is a god send.

Tell this sorry to your friends, loud and often.

"I thought it was OK to download music because my mom paid a service fee for it. Out of all people, why did they pick me?" said 12 year old Brianna LaHara.

The family signed up for the_Kazaa (search)_music-swapping service three months ago, and paid a $29.99 service charge.

Prejudice toward the RIAA is bad. Prejudice toward FREEDOM is good. There are threads in the P2politics forum that will help you support this point.

CaptainMorgan - Spamming for a good reason. If it's GOOD, that makes it OK.

[Theinfamousone]

Originally posted by Omyn
Alright people let me squash the rumors about TCP and UDP, TCP is a protocol that checks for errors making it more reliable to transfer files although it takes longer because it uses an algorithm to acknowledge that the packets traveled safely over the network.

UDP is not anonymous you need an ip to connect to another computer no matter what, and that computer needs your ip no matter what.

All UDP is basically is a protocol that had no error checking making it faster, but less unstable those are the only difference between the two.

Cool, I realize it came out wrong, not that I know what I'm talking about, but shellreaf does, and if you PM him, he might be able to explain what he was talking about. It's a way of multicasting over UDP, and it allows for UDP screw ups because it uses equation checksums or something, it would work great with Freenet.

[Julian]

This shit's got to end...

[shawners]

THEY have to sue everyone or no one.. OTHER wise you can file a class action lawsuit saying you were discriminated against since they target you instead of 12 year old little girl or boy. Singled out is something thats gonna win the case against them.

[XtraNtnse]

Time to start carpet bombing the RIAA HQ (if they have one that is.) :fire

[jonnymnemonic]

If I was that 12-year-old, I'd go to court and fight and if I lost, I'd file for bankruptcy. She'd only be 19 after the 7-year credit stigma wears off, so no great loss. ;)

And if I was the mother, I'd certainly plead ignorance, just like she is. Maybe that's not techically legal, but ifit convinces one jury member, then they could win, and a 12-year old on the stand being browbeaten by some RIAA attorney, well, I don't think most people would view that very favorably.

[Julian]

I bet they will try and rule the mother as being responsible and sue her, which is still wrong. BTW, Did I mention I hate the RIAA.

[Pebbles100]

[shaking my head]

Suing a 12 year old child...Wow, now their 'true colors' are starting to show: desperate and pathetic.

[Skeptikal]

Originally posted by method
Okay, they've crossed the line. I'm going to do something about this now and it's got nothing to do with the PeerGuardian bullshit... this will be something else.

Peace!

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[MainManMoe]

I wonder if I am the only one who bothered to actually read the article. For those who didnt, let me quote a bit:

"We are taking each individual on a case-by-case basis," said RIAA spokeswoman Amy Weiss.

Asked if the association knew Brianna was 12 when it decided to sue her, Weiss answered, "We don't have any personal information on any of the individuals."

Okay, so no need for the outrage..hm, and about the girl being twelve. Every time I go by a net cafe I see at least 100 12 yr olds who know more about computers than most adults. It is not unreasonable to expect a twelve yr old "honour student" to know downloading copyrighted music for free is illegal.
And then..

Brianna's mom, Sylvia Torres, said the lawsuit was "a total shock."

"My daughter was on the verge of tears when she found out about this," Torres said.

The family signed up for the Kazaa (search) music-swapping service three months ago, and paid a $29.99 service charge.

Usually, they listen to songs without recording them. "There's a lot of music there, but we just listen to it and let it go," Torres said.


Okay, so we have someone who PAID for kazaa, who DIDNT know filesharing of copyrighted material is illegal and who thinks they are "viewing" the files and not downloading them. Not only should this mother be sued for neglect in raising her children to be stupid, they should also take her computer away from her and give it to the needy in Africa.

[jonnymnemonic]

They don't teach you about copyrights until college (now), so the mother is too old to have gotten the class, and the daughter is too young. ;)

Sounds like a single mother, so I'll personally cut her some slack. My mom was a single mom and when they skipped me a grade from 2nd to 3rd, my mom didn't even notice for months, when she finally asked why I had 3rd grade books. Single mothers have it rough, they don't have time for anything not immediately important to survival. Food, clothing, shelter, medical care, if a single mother can just handle that much (my mom couldn't always), then she's doing pretty well.

[ROMANTICGUY50]

Originally posted by jonnymnemonic
If I was that 12-year-old, I'd go to court and fight and if I lost, I'd file for bankruptcy. She'd only be 19 after the 7-year credit stigma wears off, so no great loss. ;)

And if I was the mother, I'd certainly plead ignorance, just like she is. Maybe that's not techically legal, but ifit convinces one jury member, then they could win, and a 12-year old on the stand being browbeaten by some RIAA attorney, well, I don't think most people would view that very favorably.

I think that the RIAA are assholes to sue a 12 year old. But aas a parent I was always told that if they do something Parents can be held responsible. I like what jonny said but that is one question I do have.

[MainManMoe]

Johnny I have full respect for the enormous task of a single parent (something I know alot about!). Still, where I live it would be considered naive for a 12 yr old not to know about copyrights. In a funny way, this shows how Kazaa is dangerous to people because its so easy. I bet these people didnt realize that they were uploading!

So okay, Ill cut her (the mother) some slack, even for paying for kazaa Lol

But the main point was the outrage from the forum. If the users here had bothered to read just the first ten lines of the article they would know that the Riaa did not know the users specifics when filing the charge. Indeed I would expect most normally intelligent people to make that assumption before reading the article, but I guess one cant count on neither.

Ofcourse I understand, not living in America, that I may have a false idea of the true threat from the Riaa towards the private user, however I would assume that the larger the threat the more common the caution.

[endersgame21]

Originally posted by method
Okay, they've crossed the line. I'm going to do something about this now and it's got nothing to do with the PeerGuardian bullshit... this will be something else.

Peace!
Yea that sounds great method. If you need anything I will try to help you out also, just PM me, I am behind you 100%.

Good luck to you!!!!

[Raiseup]

I thought they were only going after sharers. The article seems like the girl didnt share just download.

[endersgame21]

Originally posted by Theinfamousone
Cool, I realize it came out wrong, not that I know what I'm talking about, but shellreaf does, and if you PM him, he might be able to explain what he was talking about. It's a way of multicasting over UDP, and it allows for UDP screw ups because it uses equation checksums or something, it would work great with Freenet.
Since the post is edited I didn't see what you mentioned so I might be saying the same thing but all I know is Jeff, shellreef, is working on something that so far would work with IRC and spoof's your IP. We tested it and it seems to work fine and he was possibley thinking about later on making it into its own p2p application altogether. I don't know if you should except his program soon though because he is real busy with school, etc right now.

[thewhitrbbit]

I say the RIAA chairman on TV and my god he looks like a strait up the butt faggot. His lips even looked like they were curved to dick sucking.

I was like damn, he's a man?!

ANd MainMan,

maybe he made a mistake but did you see the RIAA isn't dropping the charge?

[Karizmatik]

Why should it matter that she's 12 yrs old ? I'm not defendin' tha RIAA by any means but fuck...She clicks tha download button just like everyone else.

[Pebbles100]

Originally posted by MainManMoe
But the main point was the outrage from the forum. If the users here had bothered to read just the first ten lines of the article they would know that the Riaa did not know the users specifics when filing the charge. Indeed I would expect most normally intelligent people to make that assumption before reading the article, but I guess one cant count on neither.

I've read a few articles about how the RIAA is susposed to be selecting infringers on a personal basis. One article stated that the RIAA was using private investigators to determine exactally who they were suing. Of course, that's just hearsay.

[MoonMan]

This is truley sick.

There's really not much more to say beyond that.

[Kooperman]

Originally posted by MainManMoe
Still, where I live it would be considered naive for a 12 yr old not to know about copyrights.
No doubt about it, when the 12 year old guys get together behind the old smokehouse, copyright talk fills the air......

[rainbowdemon]

Asked if the association knew Brianna was 12 when it decided to sue her, Weiss answered, "We don't have any personal information on any of the individuals." The only way this could be worse is if the girl was a cancer patient, or in a wheelchair or something like that. But if these assholes keep filing lawsuits with no information, it will happen sooner or later. :finger 'em!!!

[FutureIverson]

Originally posted by jonnymnemonic
What they should have done, and it wouldn't have cost them a lot, is hire a few investigators to go through this first batch at least and eliminate the really embarassing cases like this one and the grandpa. Ten or twenty grand and they wouldn't be in this situation. And they should also have used geographic locator software to match IPs to either high-crime urban areas, or well-to-do affluent areas just to start with. And they should really hire someone experienced in conducting psyops campaigns to oversee the whole strategy (since that's what this all is, just a big commercial psyops campaign).

The best thing about the RIAA: every time they do something idiotic, they make me feel smarter. They're really a big ego boost when I'm feeling down on myself. ;)

good post jonny


Originally posted by WE_DELIVER
It's all a matter of time before someone gets really pissed of and starts cappin' the RIAA execs

Haha Im Jordan Bremond I write a little bit(raps)
but I pop Nines.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jonnymnemonic
If I was that 12-year-old, I'd go to court and fight and if I lost, I'd file for bankruptcy. She'd only be 19 after the 7-year credit stigma wears off, so no great loss. ;)

And if I was the mother, I'd certainly plead ignorance, just like she is. Maybe that's not techically legal, but ifit convinces one jury member, then they could win, and a 12-year old on the stand being browbeaten by some RIAA attorney, well, I don't think most people would view that very favorably. [/QUOTE

Well if you bring a gun to school, and your parents pleaded ignorance, no one would care. It would be their fault, i think sympathy. Is there a way to donate to the mother (a singlemother with two kids) she probably can't afford to fight the riaa, we should donate to her. It's not jus sad about the daughter, it's a single mom , i bet their poor too

[Wolfie]

Talking about inviting bad publicity. I thought they were gonna be smart and go after shady character types that don't raise the public's sympathy.

What a bunch of morons....

[MainManMoe]

Isnt the case in fact that it is the mother who has agreed to the isp contract who is actually liabel for the offence, even though it was her twelve yr old daughter who did the downloading, with her knowledge? Which in turn would mean that the case has only gotten this "12 yr old being sued" spin for the hype of it? In my country you cannot sue anyone below the age of 15 as such, what is the minimal age in USA?

[FutureIverson]

Originally posted by MainManMoe
Isnt the case in fact that it is the mother who has agreed to the isp contract who is actually liabel for the offence, even though it was her twelve yr old daughter who did the downloading, with her knowledge? Which in turn would mean that the case has only gotten this "12 yr old being sued" spin for the hype of it? In my country you cannot sue anyone below the age of 15 as such, what is the minimal age in USA?

Something like that, but they always have the right to hold the parents responsible. Like at Columbine HS

[baghdad_steve15]

Once again this shows the RIAA's stupidity. First with their complete ignorance of technology and now they're suing a 12 year old girl. Their plan has backfired.

On another note, who the hell pays for something thats free? How can the mother plea ignorance if she willingly paid $29.99 for Kazaa. In our minds she is completely ignorant for paying for something thats free but in the real world were file trading is this underground network of music pirates (arrhh) she would not be considered ignorant.

[method]

on the subject of UDP.. can UDP packets not have spoofed IP headers??

if so.. could a request be sent out for a block of a file (based on a hash) over a TCP or UDP based broadcast.

Then.. for a hosting user to do a spoofed UDP push to the requesting user.

Just a thought?!

nice avatar Janett ;)

[aqlo]

I thought they were only going after sharers. The article seems like the girl didnt share just download. Raiseup the commercial Kazaa products automatically share everything you download, and if you manage to figure it out and turn it off you get stuck in the back of every queue and left there.
On another note, who the hell pays for something thats free? Idiots? 100% of Kazaa Gold users? What kind of answer do you want.

I think the fact that they were tricked into paying for a free service that got them songs "for free" that they now have to pay for, and also delete and do without, is very significant. The RIAA has got their cake and is eating them too.