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ClWatan
September 7th, 2003, 04:52 PM
Some weeks ago, i saw this in my shareaza 's transfer window:

Ken17625
September 7th, 2003, 04:56 PM
Yep, ed2k queues can be pretty big sometimes, although yours is bigger than anything I ever got.

I've only been in the thousands.

Peppermint
September 7th, 2003, 05:03 PM
Those are "bait and switch" networks.

They say the file is there to keep you using the network, but you sort of forget that you never get the file anyway.

There are more honest p2p networks out there that don't even show you a file if it isn't ready for you do download.

Queues are self defeating. If you get 50 hits, and they are all queued, you try to download them all. You end up using 10 to 20 times more bandwidth on the network which means 19 other people are stuck in queues waiting for your 20 copies of the same file you had to download because they were all "queued".

Bait and Switch is not very smart. But greedy, impatient people never notice thier own self-defeating behavior anyway, even in real life.

:)

Ken17625
September 7th, 2003, 05:11 PM
I dunno, 2 completed movie files (not corrupted) tonight. Good quality, couldn't find em anywhere else (even in my usual spot, IRC).

700 MB a peice....................


Just going by experience here.

shawners
September 7th, 2003, 05:57 PM
if its that long in queue its really not worth it, unless you know its rare and the byterate is really good.. their is just so many p2p that you can gett the file just as fast and good. I dont have DSL to wait in queue =)

mojo-ris-in
September 7th, 2003, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Peppermint
Those are "bait and switch" networks.

They say the file is there to keep you using the network, but you sort of forget that you never get the file anyway.

There are more honest p2p networks out there that don't even show you a file if it isn't ready for you do download.

Queues are self defeating. If you get 50 hits, and they are all queued, you try to download them all. You end up using 10 to 20 times more bandwidth on the network which means 19 other people are stuck in queues waiting for your 20 copies of the same file you had to download because they were all "queued".

Bait and Switch is not very smart. But greedy, impatient people never notice thier own self-defeating behavior anyway, even in real life.

:)

Cute.....I'm on to you

Psilaxs
September 7th, 2003, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by mojo-ris-in
Cute.....I'm on to you

Bingo, i thought the exact same thing when i saw his post. More ES5 infiltration lol.

Anyway, about the queues, I have seen my queues over 1,000,000. Yes that seems outrageously high (even something 1/10th of it seems outrageously high) But you are not waiting in line behind thousands of people for the entire file.

You are waiting in line for small chunks. So if a queue is around 300 or so, that isn't 300 people waiting to get the full file, that is 300 people waiting to get a small piece of the file.

The queues go by rather quickly if you pay attention.

personally, I am now 100% sold on the donkey/overnet network.
I use overnet almost exclusively now for everything, because the quality of the files is simply unbeatable.

In the last 7 days alone i have downloaded over 25 gigs of data from overnet. All error free and work perfectly i might add.

I also downloaded a 4.6 gig DVD dump of a movie that ISN'T out on DVD yet. (something to do with a guy named Neo i think)

Just be patient, and make sure you have it setup correctly, if you want to connect to e-donkey/e-mule just get the real thing, not a half assed shoddy implementation thereof.

Theinfamousone
September 7th, 2003, 10:39 PM
Call me lazy, but if it's not on Kazaa, or Bittorrent (which isn't much), it's beyond my reach. I've tried messing around with the donkey network and really just hated it. It's a good protocol, but the people are too selfish and frankly I think there is too much rare content. There's so much goodies there that it's extremely difficult to get the real valuable files. Not to mention that is the model insecure network, the MPAA or RIAA can pick up IP address by the hundreds with just one file and there's no way to stay safe.

Winmx is somewhat the same way, except the protocol is horrible, doesn't scale at all. Rivals gnutella in ineptitude as far as I'm concerned.