Im sorry but...

[PuNiShErKiLl666]

This ES5 shit is got me pissed now. Now they are fighting like cowards by moderting that thread about ZP selling ips etc.. (I dont got the link I had to close it before I flood their forum) I dont usally get this mad but they are gonna play dirty now and shouldnt get away with it. They go and talk about Jorge's mom??? what kinda shit is that? Its sick and now ZP members cant stick up for their site while they use Notbob's and Krells name to make ZP look bad. Its sad and they shouldnt get away with it and Im gonna get them.. you watch people.

[Kooperman]

I'd play it cool yoda....they're trying to get somebody from ZP over there to blow up. That's why they're doing this stuff......it's bait.

[EscapE]

No, the real reason they are doing this is for advertisment. Ever since this happened people have downloaded their program to see it and joined their forum to see what is going on.

:mellow

[Matt]

Definitly play it cool. All these people want is us to get mad. Just understand that:
They Lie About Everything
ES5 has never/will never tell the truth. If they lie about Zeropaid, what else do you think the lie about? Their numbers? of course! Their security, most likely (although I have no factual information regarding this, only speculation).

These people are like RapidRoad x2. They just have an app now, probably lying about their security. Just play it cool. -Matt

[PuNiShErKiLl666]

It sucks to be on the internet with these guys.. you cant get them. Or else they would be floating in a river somewhere right now..

[random nut]

FYI, I have checked out their app, and there's a very serious vulnerability in it. I'm not going to say more. Just don't use that POS if you want to be safe.

And why is this forum still on ZP? There're no ES5 users coming here asking questions. I'm sure there would be more people asking FreeNet qs than ES5 questions if you had a FreeNet forum.

[Matt]

Originally posted by random nut
FYI, I have checked out their app, and there's a very serious vulnerability in it. I'm not going to say more. Just don't use that POS if you want to be safe.

I"m surprised you said "a vulnerability" instead of "many vulnerabilities". ES5 is garbage, straight up garbage. If anyone tells you otherwise they're lying to you.

[aqlo]

Randy you have to say more. Not that I don't trust you, but if you can't come up with more than that, then you sound too much like when Kay came in here and said he had proof the people bashing ES5 were Israeli hackers.

[PuNiShErKiLl666]

Ya plus that is the worst program I ever used... so stupid of a interface, no files. TERRIBLE. Why would 15 million people use it? Probly their moms

[random nut]

There are more than one vulnerability but I just mentioned the worst one.

And no I'm not going to tell you (aqlo) about it. If I will let the world know about it I'll send it to bugtraq or full disclosure. And I only do that if I have written an exploit which I haven't done yet and probably never will.

And I don't care if you don't believe me or not. Search bugtraq for my name and you'll find a kazaa vulnerability that could've taken down the entire network.

[PuNiShErKiLl666]

well geuss what they banned my ip from the forum... if anyone sees them posting with my name tell me... I got some mean ideas.

[aqlo]

Yes I understand, last thing we want to do right now is help them fix their sht
*shrugs*
in a perfect world etc

The sad thing is that while I'm sure you're right I have to question your statement anyway because that's part of what makes us better than them.

They on the other hand have no such scruples

PS: yoda they !banned! you ??? That's super-funny man, they won't ban the obviously fake but the real they can't stand up to

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/05272003b.php

[PuNiShErKiLl666]

Originally posted by aqlo
Yes I understand, last thing we want to do right now is help them fix their sht
*shrugs*
in a perfect world etc

The sad thing is that while I'm sure you're right I have to question your statement anyway because that's part of what makes us better than them.

They on the other hand have no such scruples

PS: yoda they !banned! you ??? That's super-funny man, they won't ban the obviously fake but the real they can't stand up to

yep I have another computer to so I can get right back there at anytime to. So they better not use my name to make up some lies. That is another cowardly thing they did to. They Banned little yoda!!! I was just sticking up for Jorge to. Damn how rude

[Matt]

Random Nut---don't tell anyone! It's your vulnerability and they aren't worth your time.

So is ES5 a real program? Besides having a .exe does it really do anything it says it does?

Yoda- there aren't 15million. there are more like 1000 at most. And they are probably just using their streaming service.

[Rickio]

Originally posted by notbob
they banned everyone that disagrees with them

how much do they pay to advertise here? lets start a fund to replace the money that comes from them with money that comes from us

that's a interesting idea or how about everyone buy either a t-shirt or another t-shirt.

[PuNiShErKiLl666]

Why does Jorge advertise them here? Shit if its not to much money I will advertise here for Jorge can make his lunch money :P j/p Jorge.

Also may I request that any ES5 supporter post be deleted (Unless it makes some sense) cause if they are gonna play dirty we should to or we will lose and I will not lose against ES5 even if I do it myself.

[PuNiShErKiLl666]

Bought my shirt already :P

Yes those shirts are pretty cool.. little expensive but its cool. Plus I support Zeropaid 100% now cause of this.

[EscapE]

See what I am talking about :mellow . We are there little advertisers right now.

Yoda is going to get them back, you all will see.

[aqlo]

Yes let's buy some shirts you bet.
Or buy a public service announcement about them to replace the ad.

Let me add (from my own area of expertise) that we are the only thing keeping them in the search engines, if it wasn't for ZP content peoples' searches for "kazaa" and "peer-to-peer" and so forth wouldn't produce so many things about es5.

[PuNiShErKiLl666]

ES5 is totally off my site... but that doesnt make much of a diffrence
lol

[PuNiShErKiLl666]

ok EscapE is coming with some info... I geuss they pinged me. Whatever that means...

[PuNiShErKiLl666]

Ok any ideas... they pinged me.. they can come over. Im usally naked though.

[PuNiShErKiLl666]

Yes great idea... one thing, how do we ditch the ES5 trolls

[aqlo]

Let's grant their request from earlier today and refer to their program as "Tom."

Go ahead and do a search-and-replace for every occurrence of any version of their name and make it "Tom"

Including the links ya know, see how much wHacky chatting gets done at forums.tom.com

[Jello]

Originally posted by random nut
There are more than one vulnerability but I just mentioned the worst one.

And no I'm not going to tell you (aqlo) about it. If I will let the world know about it I'll send it to bugtraq or full disclosure. And I only do that if I have written an exploit which I haven't done yet and probably never will.

And I don't care if you don't believe me or not. Search bugtraq for my name and you'll find a kazaa vulnerability that could've taken down the entire network.
Why don't you get together with Sharepro over at ESV. He thinks he can crash bittorrent. You think you can crash ESV. Both of you are great contributors to P2P.

[Kevin06906]

Ah, im kinda pissed off of what there doing, but im not gonna get involved with this crap.

But if they fuck with me, then ill kick there ass. I don't want no Palestinians pushing me around or whatever the hell they are.

[PuNiShErKiLl666]

or GS5 GoatrapersStation5

[Sockfulloflove]

How come my ES5 was deleted and this one is open?

Was it because I expressed a point in a joking manner?

Technically you could call it a flame, but you can say the same for most posts in this thread.

I didn't say things like "ES5 is a bunch of goat rapers."

I only compared to another product.

[PuNiShErKiLl666]

Sock, was your thread deleted completly? I dont remember that. Oh well keep this one open, until we give them the name Tom

[wonderboy2005]

Originally posted by Jello
Why don't you get together with Sharepro over at ESV. He thinks he can crash bittorrent. You think you can crash ESV. Both of you are great contributors to P2P. wait a second.... random nut never said that he wanted to crash es5, he was just warning everyone that it does have a major security flaw (big suprise). according to that chat, sharepro was actually doing somthing devistating to the BT network. IMO, there is a huge difference.

[PuNiShErKiLl666]

Yes SharePro caught in action here http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14306

[Jello]

Originally posted by wonderboy2005
wait a second.... random nut never said that he wanted to crash es5, he was just warning everyone that it does have a major security flaw (big suprise). according to that chat, sharepro was actually doing somthing devistating to the BT network. IMO, there is a huge difference.
If someone knows a vulnerability, and doesn't expose it, it means they are saving it to use themselves.

Since Random Nut is a p2p developer himself, he obviously doesn't want to help any other p2p developer so he'll keep the vulnerability to himself and use it to annoy or crash the ESV network.

Having been involved in lots of hacker teams when I was younger I can tell you that is the mentality involved here.

You can take or leave my observations. It really doesn't matter much anyway. It's just kind of entertaining watching the politics involved here.

People are funny when they don't realize how transparent their actions are.

[Jello]

Originally posted by Yodashady
Yes SharePro caught in action here http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14306
Yeah, Sharepro seems like a real dick, but, I can't believe anyone can crash bittorrent. It isn't like there is one node to be attacked.

[FreakinWeasel]

Hey Sock that little thing in your sig is creepy. But I like the quotes from The 5th Element.

[dubstylee]

sharepro also claims to be able to manipulate the google algorithm at will. gotta love the hashish bars in palestine.. keep that reality at arm's length.

[mojo-ris-in]

Originally posted by dubstylee
sharepro also claims to be able to manipulate the google algorithm at will. gotta love the hashish bars in palestine.. keep that reality at arm's length.

Heh hash bars in Palestine or Amsterdam? Hmmmm I guess there will be more to come on this.

[mojo-ris-in]

Originally posted by Sockfulloflove
How come my ES5 was deleted and this one is open?

Was it because I expressed a point in a joking manner?

Technically you could call it a flame, but you can say the same for most posts in this thread.

I didn't say things like "ES5 is a bunch of goat rapers."

I only compared to another product.

Sorry Socky twasn't me as I only got to this party recently.

[Sockfulloflove]

Originally posted by mojo-ris-in
Sorry Socky twasn't me as I only got to this party recently.

No I know who it was.

[metale]

I love Zeropaid.
I love our p2p comunity.
I love our religion.

But I have a problem.

I don't know who believe to.
Where the hell is Janett999!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Hunter!! help me!!

[MoonMan]

I find it odd that my thread on the things Sharepro said in esv chat was moved to the mod forum. There was no flaming, just people learning the truth.

Just when I think I am understanding how the mods work, they go and do this. What can I do ?

[eivioolla]

Originally posted by Jello
If someone knows a vulnerability, and doesn't expose it, it means they are saving it to use themselves.

Since Random Nut is a p2p developer himself, he obviously doesn't want to help any other p2p developer so he'll keep the vulnerability to himself and use it to annoy or crash the ESV network.

Having been involved in lots of hacker teams when I was younger I can tell you that is the mentality involved here.

You can take or leave my observations. It really doesn't matter much anyway. It's just kind of entertaining watching the politics involved here.

People are funny when they don't realize how transparent their actions are.

Well said there. For everyones information "Random Nut" created a 20-page rant about this "security vulnerability" at the ES5 boards, yet he turned down every single offer to prove his words.

[random nut]

Actually this is the first time I mentioned this vulnerability. I've never told the ES5 people about it, just warning people who read this forum that the ES5 programmers are amateurs who have lots of bugs in their program.

@Jello: I'm not saving it to use it myself. If they weren't liars I would've told them about it a long time ago when I discovered it. Also, I'm not a p2p developer as you said I was. I will never write a p2p app.

[Jello]

If the vulnerability exists, it is like his comptetitive "ace in the hole".

It is more valuable as innuendo and threat. If he divulges it (if it exists) he knows ES5 will fix it. The bigger ES5 gets, the more powerful the knowledge he has becomes because it has the ability to affect more people.

Or it might be a "sort of" vulnerability that only uber geeks would understand.

Anyway, this sort of thing is very common in competitive circles. The Shareaza developer is a programming whiz and has forged forward and is cursed by other, slower developers because the took the reigns and made it happen. That's the only person who counts in my book.

Random Nut has some awesome asm language skills which give him the power to really get inside someone else's program and know the real story. With his comptetitive attitude, he could probably make more money working for the RIAA dissecting p2p programs and building tools to track people.

He probably believes that Sharman is the force behind ES5 and he is mad that Sharman is trying to shut him down.

It could be that ES5 and Kazaa are the same, I don't know, but it doesn't seem likely.

[Jello]

Originally posted by eivioolla
Well said there. For everyones information "Random Nut" created a 20-page rant about this "security vulnerability" at the ES5 boards, yet he turned down every single offer to prove his words.
I didn't see that. Give us a link.

[Jello]

Originally posted by random nut
Actually this is the first time I mentioned this vulnerability. I've never told the ES5 people about it, just warning people who read this forum that the ES5 programmers are amateurs who have lots of bugs in their program.

@Jello: I'm not saving it to use it myself. If they weren't liars I would've told them about it a long time ago when I discovered it. Also, I'm not a p2p developer as you said I was. I will never write a p2p app.
Oh, sorry, I thought you were the person who wrote Kazaa-Lite or K++. My bad.

[random nut]

Whatever dude.

Actually I have a lot more respect for Joltid (creator of FastTrack network) than ES5. You really can tell that the code in ES5 was written by an amateur. You can't say the same thing if you take a look at the FT core or even Kazaa's GUI code.

EDIT: I wrote K++. K++ is not a p2p app, Kazaa is. It's like saying that speedup programs are p2p programs because they send windows commands to Kazaa to search for more sources constantly...

And FYI this vulnerability has nothing to do with names of planets in their universe.

[Jello]

Originally posted by random nut
Whatever dude.

Actually I have a lot more respect for Joltid (creator of FastTrack network) than ES5. You really can tell that the code in ES5 was written by an amateur. You can't say the same thing if you take a look at the FT core or even Kazaa's GUI code.

EDIT: I wrote K++. K++ is not a p2p app, Kazaa is. It's like saying that speedup programs are p2p programs because they send windows commands to Kazaa to search for more sources constantly...

And FYI this vulnerability has nothing to do with names of planets in their universe.
Right, what you wrote is not an app. It is commonly referred to as a "bag on the side", like a colostomy bag because you don't have the design skills to write an entire app by yourself so all you do is hack other people's code.

http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/B/bag-on-the-side.html

I can see why people are getting annoyed with you. You make grand sweeping statements like "written by amateur" and "has a vulnerability" without details.

Not sure what your motives are.

[The Hunter]

Who is annoyed with him? It seems you are, most people just thank him.

[Jello]

Originally posted by The Hunter
Who is annoyed with him? It seems you are, most people just thank him.
I was just talking about people in this thread.

What p2p code did you contribute to the p2p world?

[The Hunter]

Code? Never said I did anything like that, but I can recognise when someone has helped, and he has helped many. So stop trolling.

[Jello]

It's not that.

I see all the p2p developer's at each other throats and now I understand why. It must be some kind of built in competitivity.

Everyone hates Mike who probably has the best p2p app out there. Why is he so vilified when he stands above the crowd?

I'm just trying to point out the really nasty aspect of this Random Nut's personality.

He hasn't put his ass on the line for p2p. He comes out and forcefully states he has or never will write a p2p app. He isn't risking that, but that's ok. I wouldn't either.

But he shouldn't be so arrogant to judge the people who are taking the risk.

Actually, he IS taking a risk. The suits who run places like the RIAA don't understand the distinction between what he does, and what Kazaa does. He is just as much at risk as other p2p developers.

He has an overexaggerated sense of his own perfection. All he's does though is stand on the shoulders of giants and pretends he did it, and people like you curse the guys who did 99% of the work (wrote Kazaa) and praise him because he lets you use Kazaa without supporting it.

It's no wonder Joltid isn't supporting FT anymore, with all the thanks they get from people like you.

[The Hunter]

Point- I dont use fast track, and very rarely curse anything, or anyone. All I do know is that many of the users like his work, and that is also a known fact. to me his personality doesnt even enter into it. Time for coffie.

[random nut]

Originally posted by Jello
Right, what you wrote is not an app. It is commonly referred to as a "bag on the side", like a colostomy bag because you don't have the design skills to write an entire app by yourself so all you do is hack other people's code.

I can tell you don't know who I really am and what stuff I've programmed in the past (which is good, I don't use my real name). Everything non-p2p related. I'm not going to tell you what I stuff I can program and what apps I've written in the past because that would be like telling you my name, and I won't do that.

Another thing, you don't seem to realize that when I wrote K++, I reverse engineered Kazaa because that's what I had to do. No sources = reverse engineering required. Obviously you never did any reverse engineering in your hacker days, you used tools created by other real hackers. And you know the name of people like that don't you?

3rd, I'm not a hacker, I've never hacked into a computer, nor have I written a virus, or trojan, or anything like that. Just stating this now so you won't reply and insinuate that I have or will do that in the future.

It's no wonder Joltid isn't supporting FT anymore, with all the thanks they get from people like you.
Uri21/steve15 also said that Joltid doesn't support FT anymore... You know that's a lie. They don't add many features, but they fix the bugs they find, which is supporting their network.

[eclectica]

Originally posted by Jello
He has an overexaggerated sense of his own perfection. All he's does though is stand on the shoulders of giants and pretends he did it, and people like you curse the guys who did 99% of the work (wrote Kazaa) and praise him because he lets you use Kazaa without supporting it.
I disagree that there was more genius in writing Kazaa than in writing Kazaa Lite. There isn't such thing as true original thought. Most of what people invent, or ideas which are discovered, have been synthesized from other ideas and creations that are floating around. That's why the concept of "intellectual property" is flawed.

Lock a person in a dark closet his whole life without stimulation. Immediately afterwards, let him out and see what kind of programs and ideas he comes up with. Then you would see truly original thinking.

[Matt]

Jello- Cool it. You are the reason ES5 has problems with us. Don't talk to random nut like you're doing. He works hard for the p2p community and he's an awesome reverse engineer. If you contine I'll have no choice but to take further action. Consider this your first warning.

Random Nut- Don't even worry about Jello. He's another ES5 troll doing nothing but spouting out BS. We all know that their app is not worth a damn thing. I appreciate you clarifying this to all of us. You're a well-respected member of the p2p community and keep up the good work. I know I respect you. -Matt

[Elistas]

Originally posted by Matt
Random Nut- Don't even worry about Jello. He's another ES5 troll doing nothing but spouting out BS. We all know that their app is not worth a damn thing. I appreciate you clarifying this to all of us. You're a well-respected member of the p2p community and keep up the good work. I know I respect you. -Matt

Couldn't have said it better byself. Anyone who knows about coding and has followed random nut's work as long as I have, can cleary see that he knows a hell of a lot more that "just hacking other people's software." Which, BTW, his reverse engineering skills are unsurpassed IMO.

Random nut has done more for the p2p community than most people could ever dream about. Jello, your rantings are not wanted here.

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by Elistas
Couldn't have said it better byself. Anyone who knows about coding and has followed random nut's work as long as I have, can cleary see that he knows a hell of a lot more that "just hacking other people's software." Which, BTW, his reverse engineering skills are unsurpassed IMO.

Random nut has done more for the p2p community than most people could ever dream about. Jello, your rantings are not wanted here.

Agreed....

I've spoken to RN before via PM an I can say for damn sure he isn't a 'script kiddie' diddling anothers work.

So fuck the hell off Jello...go suck Sharepro's cock....

Elistas, may wanna change your title...a certain someone is 'sorta' back. :wings

[ston]

What about that thread in the mod forum about es5 people hacking BitTorrent? Was it moved because of a complaint from es5? Is there any way it can be copied so all us non-mods can read it? or PM'd to interested parties?

It should be obvious to everyone that since es5 is a major sponsor of Zeropaid, they are going to have some control over ZP. Too bad, but that's just the way the world works. Krell's firing is proof of that. It would be funny if the new ZP mod is sharepro or uri or steve or monyak or ras.

@Matt
It seems like a useless battle to warn these es5 agents when they all they have to do is create another account when banned.

At least the trolls are very easy to spot: someone who recently joins and nearly every single post supports es5 and/or attacks es5's adversaries. I don't know which is more amateurish - es5's propaganda attempts or their programming skill.

[The Hunter]

its back.http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14355

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by ston
What about that thread in the mod forum about es5 people hacking BitTorrent? Was it moved because of a complaint from es5? Is there any way it can be copied so all us non-mods can read it? or PM'd to interested parties?

It should be obvious to everyone that since es5 is a major sponsor of Zeropaid, they are going to have some control over ZP. Too bad, but that's just the way the world works. Krell's firing is proof of that. It would be funny if the new ZP mod is sharepro or uri or steve or monyak or ras.

@Matt
It seems like a useless battle to warn these es5 agents when they all they have to do is create another account when banned.

At least the trolls are very easy to spot: someone who recently joins and nearly every single post supports es5 and/or attacks es5's adversaries. I don't know which is more amateurish - es5's propaganda attempts or their programming skill.

Get ride of them...dump their ad's. Donno how you'd make that cash up..but we'd figure some way. I'd rather kick out 20 bucks or something then have to deal with that board fulla fuckwitts having even a tiny bit of control over ZP.

Then again I'd want admin status if I donated like 100 bucks every month or something. lol

[ston]

I'd like to know how much money ZP gets from es5 for running those ads. Maybe we should get together and buy out the space and run another ad. Maybe for K++, DC++, or eMule.

[Jello]

Originally posted by random nut
Whatever dude.

Actually I have a lot more respect for Joltid (creator of FastTrack network) than ES5. You really can tell that the code in ES5 was written by an amateur. You can't say the same thing if you take a look at the FT core or even Kazaa's GUI code.

EDIT: I wrote K++. K++ is not a p2p app, Kazaa is. It's like saying that speedup programs are p2p programs because they send windows commands to Kazaa to search for more sources constantly...

And FYI this vulnerability has nothing to do with names of planets in their universe. '
Actually, it's silly to argue about people's opinions.

Time will tell who has the lasting power and the technology that survives.

[ROMANTICGUY50]

Originally posted by Yodashady
This ES5 shit is got me pissed now. Now they are fighting like cowards by moderting that thread about ZP selling ips etc.. (I dont got the link I had to close it before I flood their forum) I dont usally get this mad but they are gonna play dirty now and shouldnt get away with it. They go and talk about Jorge's mom??? what kinda shit is that? Its sick and now ZP members cant stick up for their site while they use Notbob's and Krells name to make ZP look bad. Its sad and they shouldnt get away with it and Im gonna get them.. you watch people.
I am tired of ES5. ( do use their program for certain things once in awhile, but I wish ES5 would get their fact's right and then SHUT UP. Use their own forum and don't knock other people.They are doing this to hype their program. If their program is a good oneIT WOULD WIN ON IT'S MERITS NOT THE HYPE. STOP KNOCKING OTHER'S
:devil DOWN WITH THE RIAA & MPAA-- SHUT UP ES5 :devil