Maileet – new and unique way to transfer files.

[acegik]

Scoop: A new program called Maileet is promising a new and simple way to transfer any file size even behind the meanest firewall. Maileet (Mail + Leet), The principle behind Maileet is quite simple; it cuts any file size into little segments (2Megs max) and uses a mail server (SMTP/POP3) to transfer them to the peers. Since virtually every computer accepts emails, regardless of the firewall configuration, the file will be received by virtually any computer. On the receiver side, Maileet client downloads the segments and combines them back. Maileet got some very interesting advantages:

* Firewalls - Send and receive files even if you are behind the meanest firewall.

* File Size - Maileet can transfer any file size to its recipients. Even if your Mailbox size is tiny, Maileet cuts the file into small segments and manages the transfer. The recipient's client will download the file segment by segment.

* One Upload Multi Downloads - Maileet inherits one of the best properties of the email service. You can send a file to many recipients with only one single upload. Sending a file to your associates has never been easier.

* Speed - Maileet zips each segment before it sends it. The upload and download are from your ISP so speeds are quite good.

* Bandwidth - Many ISPs don't count the bandwidth you take when you access your mail box, so if you got a bandwidth limit on downloads, Maileet is ideal.


Read more about Maileet on Maileet.com (http://www.maileet.com)

[johnsmatrix]

Interesting...... So this is used to send files privately or is this able to become a network? IE fastrack, GN1, etc....I would like to hear some feedback on the potential and capabilities of this program.

[acegik]

This program is VERY new (couple of days online) and still in Beta state. But from what I read on the website you can send a file to as many recipients as you like with one upload:
Maileet inherits one of the best properties of the email service. You can send a file to many recipients with only one single upload.

So you can Maileet a movie (700Megs) to many peers and the SMTP/POP3 server does all the work - really cool!!!

I guess there could be forums where people say they gonna broadcast a file at a certain time and date, enter your emails and u will receive it. I think this one has great potentail :fire

[DIMA2001]

gr8 idea, but i hope that there will be encryption, so good old mail servers won't know what you are transferring.
BTW: the mail servers won't really like it ;)

[acegik]

There is something about it on their FAQ:

Can someone spy on what I am sending or receiving?

Each segment is zipped and in order to find out exactly what is the content of the file, the spy must get a hold on all the segments, unzip them and combine them together in the right order. This is very unlikely but if we get reports about ISPs who intrude your privacy in such manner we will add a password to each zip file so it will be impossible to extract their content without it.


I say that problems like this can be solved easily. I dont know what my ISP can do if I use my mail server (that I PAY for) for sending files. I am not doing something wrong. Let say I want to send my family photos (700Megs) its a legit demand to ask from my ISP... Also what can they do???

[Etnies]

if it were to really take off (doubtful) they could just filter out zip files, and poof! no maileet

There is no way your isp would filter out zip files, they are used by almost everybody who uses computers. That would be like your isp banning you from sending docs or excel spreadsheets.

Even if they did filter .zip out you could rename them anything you like .bob for example, it is still a zip file.

I think this program has potential, however most mail servers dont transfer at the speed of your connection so downloads will be slower than p2p.

[acegik]

I agree, no way ISP will block zip files, besides all we ask it to use our mail server to send files, we now have a solution for the 5Megs they gave so they should let us use the mail servers to send messages.

[FreakinWeasel]

Talk about the more things change the more they stay the same. 12 years ago I did this with my crusty old mac and a UU encoding proggy callled uue-lite. In the old newsgroup days, the only way to get large files was to use the proggy to chop them and encode them into ascii text and then you could mail each piece. So now it sounds like they do the first step of chopping and then include a zip program to shrink even more and then mail. Hmmm not that different. I checked this out the other day when we were alll clamoring about changing our mp3 into ascii text and found the uu program still alive and well. The program allows you to set how big the chunks are before encoding and the output is a folder with all the chunks in it. Now if we could get a program to hide the text in pictures....... I know thats out there but where????

[Lehk]

Originally posted by FreakinWeasel
Talk about the more things change the more they stay the same. 12 years ago I did this with my crusty old mac and a UU encoding proggy callled uue-lite. In the old newsgroup days, the only way to get large files was to use the proggy to chop them and encode them into ascii text and then you could mail each piece. So now it sounds like they do the first step of chopping and then include a zip program to shrink even more and then mail. Hmmm not that different. I checked this out the other day when we were alll clamoring about changing our mp3 into ascii text and found the uu program still alive and well. The program allows you to set how big the chunks are before encoding and the output is a folder with all the chunks in it. Now if we could get a program to hide the text in pictures....... I know thats out there but where????

I think hactivismo has something out called camera/shy that would do it... i'm not sure exactly how camera/shy works because i havent used it but i think it can hide text in images

[acegik]

ROFL :)
U know that ICQ idea was out there way before Mirablies did it.
Now its sounds like u thought of the idea long long time ago - its a good one...
Although Maileet also got some nice features of managing the send and receive, queuing, pause/start, re-resend. I think its got great potential :)

[acegik]

Outlook blocks exe file, but zip files? Not my outlook.
About the size, jeez ppl u dont have to send 700 megs movie every day - this program is cool solution for also any other file, like 200 megs game, or just 70megs apps, or even the simple power point presentation that cost 20 Megs...

[acegik]

also FTPs are better, but not every one knows how to handle themselfs in the IRC,news groups, FTPs... This is more of a noob tool... with one major feature - works behind firewalls, thing that u cant say about DCC or FTP...

[Greylin]

What if you used a mail account other than your isps? Like maybe a hotmail or yahoo account.

[acegik]

they have 2-5MB of space, and that includes spam, so to get a movie, you'd need a lot of them

in fact ISP's almost all limit email accounts to 50 MB or less, so unless all you want is a song here and there this program is worthless

Oh notbob, dude if u reply to a question make sure u know what you are talking about - u will look smarter!

Greylin, they say in their site that they not support web based emails only SMTP/POP3 servers which makes sense - u can find many free SMTP/pop3 services like hotpop.com

Now about the mailbox size, nobob, dude, that the whole idea behind Maileet, u dont need more then 1Meg mail box. As long as the receiver is in receive mode it receives the segments and clean the mail box space for the rest of the segments - so u can even send a 700 Megs file, Meg by Meg. Now I read the FAQ, please read it too. :devil

[Greylin]

Thanks notbob. I' think I'll stick to newsgroups same basic principle but I won't be pissing off my isp.

[acegik]

First of all, no one has 1 Meg mail box - the minimun is 5Megs. I tested the program with 70Meg file and had no problems - it worked gr8. Usually the upload is much slower then the download so the download and cleaning of the mail server is much faster the the filling of it.
Second, if by a change you missed a segment or two, Maileet got this cool feature of "Re-send", u dont have to tell your friends to send again, just choose "Re-send" and the sender client will re-add you to the queue.
hmmm, I get the feeling you have something agianst this progy? but its a good progy and for good cause - now I dont get that...

[acegik]

this is better because no p2p let u send a file to a specific user. Also if you and your friend are behind firewall and cant config it (or open a port) no FTP, IRC, ICQ or anything else can help you. Maileet can!
Also if you wanna send the file to many friends, u dont need to upload the file again and again, just Maileet once and the mail server will do the rest.

[FreakinWeasel]

Originally posted by notbob
fine

lets put it this way-700MB movie=350 emails to one address at once

most ISP's have a "no spam" or abuse of the mailservers clause

i'm pretty sure that 700MB and 350 emails in a day would apply, and if you did it a few times, i'm sure they'd boot you

as for zip files, they aren't as prevalent in emails as they once were, as outlook blocks them

LOL, Yeah I hear you NB, my "back in the day" comments where coming from the large file being a high res porn pict, about 1.5 megs. You could get one of those through AOL mail in 3- 5 pieces. That was totally acceptable at the time of 9600 modems. The bitch sometimes was finding all the pieces!

[jonnymnemonic]

ISPs won't like this. If it becomes prevalent they'll find a way to stop it.

However, this is in no way a 'noob tool'. You send the 700 MB file ONE TIME and bam, it goes to 500 people, using the bandwidth of your ISP to send the resulting 350 gigabytes, while you go back to doing whatever you want. Hard to beat THAT for efficiency; FTP sure as hell isn't that efficient. Really, nothing else is that efficient, and only BitTorrent can even come close.

However, it's not a 'new' idea. I wrote a utility for WWIV BBS systems, that broke large binary files up into small chuncks and sent them embedded into WWIVnet message packets, and reassembled on the other side automatically. (WWIVnet messages also had the multiple-recipient capability.) And this was before there WAS an internet.

Still, not a bad idea, but I doubt ISPs will allow it to zap their bandwidth for very long.

[jonnymnemonic]

BUT BitTorrent isn't as efficient for each user - you generally get full bandwidth to/from your own ISP. But Maileet would require sending file to ISP, ISP sending file to other ISP(s), other ISP(s) sending files to destination user(s). So the same data is transferred more times than with BitTorrent and its direct connections. But from the standpoint of any single user, Maileet would sure FEEL more efficient, because of the max-bandwidth-from-ISP thing. The ISPs, of course, would be the ones paying the price with THEIR bandwidth, which is why they'd hate this.

[Theinfamousone]

Originally posted by acegik
also FTPs are better, but not every one knows how to handle themselfs in the IRC,news groups, FTPs... This is more of a noob tool... with one major feature - works behind firewalls, thing that u cant say about DCC or FTP...

FTPs are always getting bogged down, and then they start up stupid rules and people try to cheat the systems etc. etc., this BROADCASTS files, everyone who wants the file can have it. Very anonymously (because it uses your ISP's servers as a proxy) and very efficiently because it only needs to be uploaded once and the emails can be forwarded to as many as want the file.

My only complaint (and this is a big one) is that there is no way to search for files.....seems like they forgot a pretty essential element here. If they could create a network where everyone was sharing their folders just like Gnutella or FastTrack, then we would have access to massive amounts of files very quickly.

[shellreef]

Originally posted by notbob
how is this any better than what we have already?
I think this is a good idea (although it has a few problems), the advantages of using a mail server are:

Fast downloads directly from the mail server (not limited to uploader's speed)
Any number of downloads from the mail server (using same bandwidth from uploader)

I can't think of any P2P that can do the above.

why not just use an ftp, or some other p2p to choose, receive, and download it without a whole bunch of middlemen,
Several reasons:

The middlemen are not just proxies - they store the data, allowing for downloads limited by the speed of the mail server, not the original sender
Having a middleman could allow for anonymity if you don't use your ISP's mail servers, and you forge your from address
"Push" instead of "pull" file transfer. The sender initiates the (logical) connection, not the recipient. I couple protocols have this: IRC, and the late Audiogalaxy.


not to mention the convenience of leaving the file in 1 piece?
Files are never in one piece. When you send data across the Internet larger than about 1.5 kilobytes, it is broken into segments and reassembled at the recipient's machine. Mail does the same thing but on a more visible level.

There are disadvantages though:

Quotas: If the recipient can't receive more than (say) 1MB, he will have to clear his mailbox after every segment. This nullifies any possibility of sending the file to multiple recipients without using more bandwidth -- unless the sender can be configured to send the next message only after all recipients have downloaded the segment: this would limit the download bandwidth to the slowest receiver, which isn't very practical. This problem can be assuaged by using a mail server with a larger quota, but if the file to be sent is greater than the quota the problem is still there.
ISP Annoyance Factor: This can be "solved" by using third party mail servers, but it using this program will still heavily use their servers. There are plenty of open SMTP relays but I doubt they can be configured to store mail (might be worth looking into), only relay it. One could run their own mail server with unlimited everything but that kinda defeats the purpose.
Privacy: The Maileet FAQ says that they will put a password on each zip file if they receive reports of users being sued over the contents of their email. However, the standard zip encryption is easily broken . Solution: use AES zip encryption (like WinZip has).
Anonymity: Maybe open SMTP relays could be used to hide the sender. However, nearly all ISPs and mail servers use DNS blacklisting and will not accept mail from open proxies.
Protocol: Some ISPs are moving to IMAP (from POP3). IMAP doesn't appear to be supported.
Binary File Transfer Efficiency: SMTP/POP3 is not a binary protocol and can't handle binary data very well. UU/XX/Base64 encoding will increase the file size 33% in-transit. yEnc could help a lot (average 1-3% file-size increase), I haven't checked if thats what Maileet is using.

[collideous]

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[acegik]

I think its important to mention that although I posted this on ZP and most of the program posted here are searchable p2p program - Maileet is not.
Its not a network and its not searchable - its a mean of transfering files between two or more people.

[Etnies]

The best way for this to become popular amongst a large amount of people would be to set up some kind of bullatin board.

People could post what they have, and what they want etc and the only way to gain mebership to the boards would to upload some files, there could be specific boards for each type of file eg music, software etc similar to sharereactor

[acegik]

notbob you are not giving "them" access to your mailbox :)
its not a network, in its basics its a mail client so like u put your mail server details in outlook, eudora or whatever mail client you have. For those programs to be able to send/receive files, Maileet client is asking for the same details. How else will it send and receive files?

[Krypt0]

Sounds exactly like newsgroups. What’s the big deal? As long as we can have other means to exchange data (ftp, dc, http, telent, irc, p2p, etc) why piss around with chopping a 700meg file into 700 pieces, sending them one at a time, and then putting them all back together.. (winRAR anyone??) yes it's an idea that we might have to revert back to if all other means of communication are shut down.. But why the hell not send your 700mb file on a cd-r in the mail... A lot quicker and not nearly as much of a pain in the ass..

peace!

[acegik]

notbob - you jokin right?
anyone with half a brain should know better than to give their signon info to another party

u talkin from expirience (half brain)?

What 3rd party? Its a client NOT A NETWORK! dude this is the last time I try to explains things 2 u. u sound like the noobiest dude ever.

in order to send a file through an SMTP server you have to specify the server name and if it requires authontication then also its password. In order to receive emails u have to specify the POP3 server and its user/pass. Any email client requires it.

For the last time (pls try to get it into your half brain) Maileet is NOT a part of a network its a client for transfering files via Mail servers.

If you dont have FTP on your computer or your friend got no FTP server (not everybody got one), or your friend is behind a firewall and cant establish a direct connection with you - Maileet is the soltuin its that simple... pheeeew.

You dont have to send 700Megs ppl, u can send even 15Megs. It allows you to send any file size it doesnt mean u HAVE to sent 700 Megs!

I quit - really I tried to be nice and help but some users on ZP are just thick dumb asses. All you know to do it flame.

I am a member of URLBlaze fourms, ppl know how to behave there and have two halfs of their brain.

Please ZP members who know how to reply to ppl like WRFan and notbob, take over here. I have no idea how to do it.

jeez

[Etnies]

What is it people don't understand with this program its simple.

1. You choose a file you want to send to 1 or more (as many as you like) people, however big the file is.

2. You input the email addresses you want the file to go to.

3. The program splits the file up so that any mailbox size will accomodate it, you upload the file once and it could get sent to hundreds of people.

4. The file is recreated at the recipients address.

True other tools could do this for you, you could zip the files off and send each one individually to all the address you want but this does it for you. Or you could use FTP, but this program is simpler there is no need for any ftp address and passwords. all you need is the recipients email address.

And is very efficeint, you upload a file once and your ISP uses all its bandwidth to send the file out to hundereds of people.

[Sho0tyz]

You send the 700 MB file ONE TIME and bam, it goes to 500 people

In the age of spam I doubt it will work this well. So many ISP's have safeguards against spam now. Try to send an email with 500 recipients and see how many it gets to. My guess would be few, if any.

[Krypt0]

Let’s have somebody try the program. Gather around say 50 e-mail addresses of people you know, and send a movie file to each user. We’ll see who gets banned from it first…….

[Sorry Sho0tyz, I noticed your post AFTER I placed mine.. I was basically trying to say the same thing you pointed out...]