The New Apple G5

[g-smooth2k]

What do you think of it

The new 64-bit PowerPC G5 processor Jointly developed by Apple and IBM, the PowerPC G5 drives the largest gain in processing power in the history of the PowerPC architecture.

The Power Mac G5 is the world’s fastest personal computer and the first with a 64-bit processor — which means it breaks the 4 gigabyte barrier and can use up to 8 gigabytes of main memory. The new G5 processor — available at speeds up to dual 2GHz with a new ultrahigh-bandwidth system architecture featuring AGP 8X and PCI-X — makes the Power Mac G5 a breakthrough in desktop processing power. And models start at just $1999.

some pics of the NEW Apple G5.

http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/d07b59a910f954/www.apple.com/powermac/gallery/images/powermacG5side06232003.jpg
http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/2f4f6d1878256e/www.apple.com/powermac/gallery/images/powermacG5hero06232003.jpg
http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/3ba67c22506ffc/www.apple.com/powermac/gallery/images/powermacG5open06232003.jpg
http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/d762569681c2a2/www.apple.com/powermac/gallery/images/powermacG5front06232003.jpg

For more info
http://www.ipod.com/powermac/

[ccc1005]

Looks like an awesome system, but hardware/software is still more expensive for the mac, and there are less programs and hardware available for the platform. (The one thing that pisses me off about the Mac the most is no taskbar to switch icons, dont know if this chance in OS X tho)

I will personally wait for the AMD 64-bit PC chip later this year, and stick with Windows and Linux thank you.

And really who the hell needs more than a GB of memory anyway? U really need 8 GB of mem in the computer??

[isus]

waiting for all the idiots to come along and say how much this sucks...

[notbob]

Originally posted by isus
waiting for all the idiots to come along and say how much this sucks...

i'm waiting for you to say that apple invented usb and the cd burner again

[isus]

Originally posted by notbob
i'm waiting for you to say that apple invented usb and the cd burner again

im waiting for you to show me where i said that

[hawkburn]

Well I must confess, I havent used Apple since OS7.

It was alright, crashed alot, but then secretly took a 2 hr demo on Jaguar @ Fry's and love it.

Apple is excellent, my Apple2E I have in storage crashed less than Windows 95.

But I'm on XP right now, dont ask me why, I just cant take the plunge, yet.

[Theinfamousone]

Apple invented firewire, which is worlds ahead of USB.

Apple also invented user friendliness.

Besides that, 64 bit chips can theoretically take up to 8 terabytes of RAM or something. They are definately the way of the future, Apple got there first as always, but as always it was no surprise that it was bound to happen. (iTunes music store etc.).

The chip is immensely faster than anything else, but the Athlon 64 is coming out in a few weeks and hopefully it'll be able to stay in the ring.

As for Apple software being too expensive, that's an absolute lie, to get iMovie, iDVD, and iPhoto, you are looking at a whopping $30 retail. Apple works comes with the system I believe. Now looking at software for windows...

Office XP Pro $600
Pinnacle Video Studio $100
DVDit! $200

Right there, you're looking at spending 30 times more, and that's not even including a photo program like iPhoto.

Apple hardware? Most hardware is now compatible with both Mac and Windows. My Western Digital 120gb hard drive I just bought for example, my optical mouse, my boston accoustics speakers, my HP 952c printer, even my monitor I could use on a Mac system. The only thing I'd need different would be a processor (the G5 is better than any PC processor) a mobo, sound and video card. And those are approx. the same price or maybe like $30 more, but pretty incosequential when you compare that to how much you're saving on software.

[notbob]

or you can buy cheap hardware and download all the software you want for free

apple is on top, for now, but it will be a bittersweet short stay.

p.s. they still lack a 64 bit os, they only have an "optimized 32" so any advantage is merely cosmetic

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by notbob
or you can buy cheap hardware and download all the software you want for free

apple is on top, for now, but it will be a bittersweet short stay.

p.s. they still lack a 64 bit os, they only have an "optimized 32" so any advantage is merely cosmetic

I am surprised you would say something like that notbob lol.

You definately won't be after reading this.

http://spl.haxial.com/apple-powermac-G5/

[ccc1005]

Well so the truth comes out...

By looking at this article, the Athlon 64 will blow the G5 out of the water.

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by ccc1005
Well so the truth comes out...

By looking at this article, the Athlon 64 will blow the G5 out of the water.

The opteron blows it out of the water, as does the P4, especially when the hyper-threading ISN'T disabled.

[isus]

lol psilaxs. spl's soapbox. hmm, wonder where the whole idea for the name soapbox came from?

btw, apple didn't invent firewire. it was technology developed by texas instruments, and implemented first by apple.

and to notbob's "they don't have a 64-bit os"... why do they need it? they can support the g5, g4, and g3, just by keeping the os 32-bit.

then again, notbob's existence is just a whiny one, so, i guess he has to come up with crap like this.

ever hear of an os called windows? that still can't get away from dos? it's the same for apple, except supporting both 64-bit and 32-bit chips.

edit: psilaxs, you like holding on to that hope that the p4 can beat a g5, don't you? hyperthreading was disabled on the dual xeon system, bc it improved performance. but then again, you windows kids hafta hold up some faith system, so i guess the 'lies and shadows' one works for you... for another few weeks.

[DainBramaged]

Let it be known that I am neither a windows, mac, or linux fan. I really don't care what anyone else uses or which holds the performance or usability crown. I use what I have because I'm used to it and it works. I am satisfied.

That being said, there's alot of bashing. What for? Does it really matter? isus would agree that notbob is bashing apple and it's accomplishments. I would think that, if nothing else, isus would have the senseless bashing against apple stop. So what do you do, isus? You bash notbob for bashing apple. Gee, that ought to get alot accomplished.

It really doesn't matter. People will use or stay in whatever conditions keep them satisfied [enough]. I do that, I don't care what other people use or what is the best. At some point, people just need to be able to say "fine, whatever" or keep their mouths shut.

EDIT: or at least have a civilized, logical debate of some kind. No veiled insults, no subtle bashing. Facts, things to back up those facts. Let conclusions be drawn as they will.

[CompuGeek]

Originally posted by ccc1005

I will personally wait for the AMD 64-bit PC chip later this year, and stick with Windows and Linux thank you.


AMD64 is gonna cost an arm & a leg when it comes out. Think about Spring '04 to buy one.

I love the way people talk about their GHz procs like it's gonna make them download or surf the web any faster.

Athlon 800 Forever!! (somebody kill me)

:sw

[isus]

Originally posted by DainBramaged
That being said, there's alot of bashing. What for? Does it really matter? isus would agree that notbob is bashing apple and it's accomplishments. I would think that, if nothing else, isus would have the senseless bashing against apple stop. So what do you do, isus? You bash notbob for bashing apple. Gee, that ought to get alot accomplished.

it would be nice to have a nice discussion about the facts, but as you can see, everybody has different versions of the 'facts'. and they are usually wrong. i.e.: psilaxs believes the dual xeons are faster with ht, when in reality, they aren't. and every apple basher i have seen around here has thrown around the compiler, and the tags, and how sse2 wasn't enabled. when not one of them read the pdf from spec, vs the actual tags for each thing. bc sse2 was enabled. etc etc etc. there are too many windows people out there, who have no idea what they are talking about. they see someone bashing apple, and instead of looking at facts, they just join in.

and i bash notbob bc he bashes me. "i'm waiting for you to say that apple invented usb and the cd burner again". hmm, yes, well, if i had ever said that in the first place, notbob would have a valid point. instead, he comes in to bullshit about how big his penis is bc he will never use a mac, etc.

[notbob]

you can say whatever you want, since we both know that thread was deleted

i know you said it, you know you said it, that's all that matters

(and whoever the mindless drone was that agreed with you to which you replied how smart he was for agreeing)

[isus]

Originally posted by notbob
you can say whatever you want, since we both know that thread was deleted

i know you said it, you know you said it, that's all that matters

(and whoever the mindless drone was that agreed with you to which you replied how smart he was for agreeing)

wow, pretty interesting excuse. the thread was deleted, but i know i said it?

can't you do even just a little bit better?

i'm sorry you're so upset that your pos setup can't hold a candle to the g5. and i'm sorry no setup you can build that doesn't involve the name apple, can't hold a candle to the g5. deal with it, move on. stop bashing bc you have no brain... find a valid point, or find something else to cry like a little baby about.

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by ISUS
lol psilaxs. spl's soapbox. hmm, wonder where the whole idea for the name soapbox came from?

btw, apple didn't invent firewire. it was technology developed by texas instruments, and implemented first by apple.

and to notbob's "they don't have a 64-bit os"... why do they need it? they can support the g5, g4, and g3, just by keeping the os 32-bit.

then again, notbob's existence is just a whiny one, so, i guess he has to come up with crap like this.

ever hear of an os called windows? that still can't get away from dos? it's the same for apple, except supporting both 64-bit and 32-bit chips.

edit: psilaxs, you like holding on to that hope that the p4 can beat a g5, don't you? hyperthreading was disabled on the dual xeon system, bc it improved performance. but then again, you windows kids hafta hold up some faith system, so i guess the 'lies and shadows' one works for you... for another few weeks.

KIDS?? WTF? I am older then you are, did you even read the article? or did it boil your blood so much you couldn't stand to finish it.

It plainly stated with hyper-threading it was even faster.

And i really do not care about intels, the 64 bit opteron blew the living shit out of the G5 hell, even single cpu system beat the mac duel ghz machine.

I usually reserve politeness for you, but that is wearing thin with your outright flaming of me for no reason at all.

You cannot keep a thread about apple vs PC open because you cannot be civil, and saying because someone else started it is childish. Just lay off of notbob, he didn't do anything wrong this time.

When you get some REAL experience with PC software, hardware configurations, and running networks get back to us with your "professional" opinion.

[isus]

hot damn! i figured out why notbob is always bitching about macs!

http://www.netmug.org/~notbob/MWNY/

he went to the 2000 macworld expo, but then couldn't go to the 2001 expo, so now he just hates everything apple.

don't try to deny it notbob, you can say whatever you want, since we both know that it's you

i know you took the pics, you know you took the pics, that's all that matters

[notbob]

and the horse you rode in on

[cheapprick]

Knock off bickering about nothing.

[PowerMan57two]

Originally posted by notbob
or you can buy cheap hardware and download all the software you want for free

apple is on top, for now, but it will be a bittersweet short stay.

p.s. they still lack a 64 bit os, they only have an "optimized 32" so any advantage is merely cosmetic

Apple on the top? I never knew this. I personally hate Apple's. But I thought Microsoft/Windows PC were always on top because like 99% of users use PC's. LoL Okay kidding not 99%.

[fernandez]

Breakfast

[Malakai1911]

Apple has a pitiful amount of marketshare. The users are cultists. The hardware is overpriced.

AMD64 is going to come out on top of the pack.... soon.

[isus]

Originally posted by notbob
and the horse you rode in on

nice avatar. ever thought of maybe being, oh, original, perhaps?

look at all the pc lovers running in now!

didn't somebody predict this earlier?

oh yea, i did. haha, my bad.

haha @ notbob. "and the horse you rode in on". really, you'll say what you want? that was the coolest thing you've ever said that you wanted to.

[notbob]

unlike you, i don't have to stoop to the level of personal attacks

i can see who is worth arguing with, and you are not

[isus]

KIDS?? WTF? I am older then you are, did you even read the article? or did it boil your blood so much you couldn't stand to finish it.

i've read it on numerous occasions. it seems to be the website you windows KIDS pull out of your bum everytime somebody says the g5 is faster.

It plainly stated with hyper-threading it was even faster.

yea, from a guy who didn't do the tests. always good to have that first-hand guy right there.

And i really do not care about intels, the 64 bit opteron blew the living shit out of the G5 hell, even single cpu system beat the mac duel ghz machine.

lol. once again, who was doing these benchmarks? a serious corporation? no. a guy who is as against macs as notbob is.

I usually reserve politeness for you, but that is wearing thin with your outright flaming of me for no reason at all.

well, when you pull out these entirely biased articles, i don't know what else to say. did you even read it? i bet you smiled a few times, and thought "eww, that'll get isus realll bad"

You cannot keep a thread about apple vs PC open because you cannot be civil, and saying because someone else started it is childish. Just lay off of notbob, he didn't do anything wrong this time.

and saying i said something that i did not, was nothing wrong? he always finds his way into a pro-apple thread to bash it.

When you get some REAL experience with PC software, hardware configurations, and running networks get back to us with your "professional" opinion.

ok.
done.
here's my professional opinion.
use what you want.
while you bsod, i'll be listening to my music and browsing the webs.
oh, and enjoy the weekly "major security flaw update patches"

i help out with netwokring, computer issues, etc, around my school, which is primarily mac, but has some of those wonderful dells. ya know which has caused more problems? the dells.

it took me so long to reply, bc you first had dainbramaged's reply quoted, not mine.

[isus]

Originally posted by notbob
unlike you, i don't have to stoop to the level of personal attacks

i can see who is worth arguing with, and you are not

does that mean you're gonna shut up now?

i sure hope it does.

[Psilaxs]

""well, when you pull out these entirely biased articles, i don't know what else to say. did you even read it? i bet you smiled a few times, and thought "eww, that'll get isus realll bad"""

If you even think i would put that much effort into finding something out for your "behalf" and to "get your goat"; or even had you in mind while reading it you have issues.

No matter what "proof" we find, you dispute it as being biased, or blah blah blah.

The bottom line is you know jack shit about computers, hardware or cpu's.

[FutureIverson]

not to get in on the war between isus and notbob, but i come here and once again i see malkai trying to boost how great amd is , i'd rather have this pc then your little amd, so go complain about it.we all know you work for amd and you want to produce more sales for your employer. take your bs to the Windows forums.
If you hate the mac's dont post it here, just ignore the thread, don't come trying to help your little pc

As for isus and notbob, two guys who've been here a long time just fighting, just don't worry about it, it's best to stay out of it