Password protect this forum?

[ShepMode]

Please don't think I'm marching in here with a post count of 2, demanding things of the site. I just feel the following would be a good idea and one I would personally benefit from.

Would it be possible to password protect this forum for bonafide developers of P2P software / services? Non-members of the forum would not be allowed to post or view any threads in this forum.

I feel this would be sucessful due to the following points:

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The forum will be filtered of a majority of unnessary / uninformal posts and will therefore be more attractive to developers wishing to post here.
The evolution of P2P software will be faster due to a lot of development information / ideas formed through the close-net community of developers.
Interest in the overall website will be increased as more people learn that this forum is the "hub" for P2P technology and ideas. The external forums will always be busy with "leaked information" and legitimate posts from users with access to these forums.
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Please let me know what you think.

[ShepMode]

I would like to point out that I think any non-developer's opinion on ideas for P2P improvements are still important and useful. Perhaps another non-password protected forum in the Developers category where normal users can post and discuss ideas. Authorised developers of the other password protected forum could then link to these threads and discuss them.

[Lamourlady]

i have no opinion on this topic, really...cause i'm not a developer.
but almost sounds to me that u wish to take ZP, "the p2p forum" on to something much bigger.
eh?

[crackerjacker]

Would it be possible to password protect this forum for bonafide developers of P2P software / services? Non-members of the forum would not be allowed to post or view any threads in this forum.

i think your an asshole. simple as that.
you are retarted.
:)
why the fuck should only developers be the only one to view the information. for that they might as well make their own dam forum.
you are really smoking something.

and what the hell is the dam point to allow developers to have a closed forum.
zeropaid does have forums for p2p developers but everyone is able to view them.
like i said you must really be on something.
let me have some of what your having.
second thought i dont want to have the mindset you surely just express just now.
later retart

[Lamourlady]

hey, dude......r u talking about "guests" couldn't view this forum, when mentioning "non-members"????
cause ur getting crackerjacker riled up here.
and u don't want her on your tail, really!

[ShepMode]

I see that this person has been banned but I'd like to reply anyway.


Originally posted by crackerjacker


i think your an asshole. simple as that.
you are retarted.
:)

I believe responses like this would be reduced. Especially useful for reducing ironic posts where people flame you by calling you "retarted".



why the fuck should only developers be the only one to view the information. for that they might as well make their own dam forum.

I posted some pretty detailed examples as to why. Also, the forum would be their own; that's the point.




you are really smoking something.

Free the weed!



and what the hell is the dam point to allow developers to have a closed forum.

Rewording of the same question. Nice.



zeropaid does have forums for p2p developers but everyone is able to view them.[quote]

Really? Where do I find them? (Now sarcasm would be encouraged in a password protected forum :)).

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like i said you must really be on something.
let me have some of what your having.
second thought i dont want to have the mindset you surely just express just now.

Nice wording. And... Free the weed!



later retart

There's that irony again!

[Malakai1911]

I agree with crackerjacker that, well, even newbies have the right to post.

The key is to keep topics on an intellectual level where it's simply over their heads, so they will (hopefully) refrain from posting.

And if they want to post "OMG I WANT TO MAKE MY PWN P2P NETWORK 2!!", then we can point them in the direction of the "Non-serious" sticky, and hopefully someone locks the thread.

If the level of the forum is not to par with your standards, perhaps another forum would better suit you (paraphrasing from something Krell told me once).

- Kai

[d-koolest]

Why is everyone so angry?:upside Shepmode has expressed an idea, and there's a geneal consensus that it's not going to happen. Case closed. Take a chill pill, or maybe free the weed.

[Brycen257]

Malakai1911has expressed my sentiments on this matter exactly.

[ATLien]

Originally posted by Brycen257
Malakai1911has expressed my sentiments on this matter exactly.
Ditto!

[johnsmatrix]

Sometimes it's just better to have an open discussion where developers can communicate and collaborate with each other rather than having a protected forum.. Even the developers must appreciate objective creativity from your average Joe I'm sure. So umm ...NO GODDAMN PRIVATE FORUM>!!!!!!!

[ShepMode]

Originally posted by Malakai1911
I agree with crackerjacker that, well, even newbies have the right to post.

The key is to keep topics on an intellectual level where it's simply over their heads, so they will (hopefully) refrain from posting.

And if they want to post "OMG I WANT TO MAKE MY PWN P2P NETWORK 2!!", then we can point them in the direction of the "Non-serious" sticky, and hopefully someone locks the thread.

I agree that non-developers have the right to post ideas (I even offered a solution in my first post), but developers should be able to discuss ideas and features without having to wade through the, lets be honest, crap that is filling up this forum.

[Azathoth]

I can understand why u would suggest this. but I wouldn't be surprised If there are already forums of this nature on another site. Also most p2p client sites have there own forums where u can make suggestions on how to make the app better.

[Lamourlady]

the question, is if ZP wants to go into that direction.
to become something larger than it already is.
but i can understand shepmodes's concerns for security, i don't think he really wanted to alienate anyone cept maybe any riaa or other coherts of theirs.
it's just that it would take a lot to make such an area that secure.
the reality is, that it is too easy to go undercover and weasel your way into such places. although i'm sure that these other sites may be able to, since they would be dedicated to such an idea.

[Krell]

Originally posted by ShepMode
I agree that non-developers have the right to post ideas (I even offered a solution in my first post), but developers should be able to discuss ideas and features without having to wade through the, lets be honest, crap that is filling up this forum.

I agree with that, altho, it does presume that it is a disucussion between intellegent people, that have an understanding of the topic. What you have here is a site full of 15 yolds and others that just think they know every damed thing.

. The forum will be filtered of a majority of unnessary / uninformal posts and will therefore be more attractive to developers wishing to post here.

THAT is the way it is supposed to be to begin with, see the rules. Posts that are not directly related to the flow of the thread should not be tolerated. I would delete ALL of a persons posts in a thread of they were none productive, but everyone else is too busy qouting them! Stop quoting entire rants.


B. The evolution of P2P software will be faster due to a lot of development information / ideas formed through the close-net community of developers.

As previously stated, there are already sites that are focussed on developement, while we HAVE a forum for this, it is not our focus. Sorry, we're just not going to make a breakfast club for everyone that wants to consider themselves a developer. In this forum, dont say anything that you think it proprietary.


C. Interest in the overall website will be increased as more people learn that this forum is the "hub" for P2P technology and ideas. The external forums will always be busy with "leaked information" and legitimate posts from users with access to these forums

Again, this is not a place for the "programming underground". We are not in the business of "leaking" information. I do not think that interest in this site will increase due to it, our experience is that members like Elistas and Method will post their ideas as they see fit, they are not being held back, from the lack of a password protected forum.



No matter how lofty you try to hold the level of discussin, there will always be those who obviously have nothing to offer, and they just want to be seen, or ask " whats this about? " I do not attest that these people have a right to post in the topic, newbie or not. I dont know shit about astronomy or astro-physics, I am not even in the Carl Sagan fan club, therefore I would not post in a discussion about black holes, just because I have heard of one.




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[Jorge]

I like the idea and i would like to discuss on how zeropaid can further assist the developer community.

What i can do is set up a developer group, and only that group can post in a specific forum.

I would also like to discuss ways developers can post featured articles on the site to help inform advanced p2p users on current topics.

jorge

[Krell]

Well why the hell didnt you say so before now !

: )


This is from March 15th, titled - non-serious "developers"
http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8578

This was all that there was to address non developers butting in.



Ok, we have a new breafast club!

[Jorge]

I would like to see the developer community embrace the wide variaty of users we see here at zeropaid.com. If we can create a place for developers to meet and discuss various topics without public intervention, I am sure developers would be delighted to talk about serious topics.

[ShepMode]

Originally posted by Lamourlady
the question, is if ZP wants to go into that direction.
to become something larger than it already is.

I can't speak for them personally but I am sure they are wanting to get bigger.


but i can understand shepmodes's concerns for security, i don't think he really wanted to alienate anyone cept maybe any riaa or other coherts of theirs.
it's just that it would take a lot to make such an area that secure.
the reality is, that it is too easy to go undercover and weasel your way into such places. although i'm sure that these other sites may be able to, since they would be dedicated to such an idea.

It is the matter of flicking a switch with this board software to password protect a forum.

Also, I'm not suggesting this so we can "hide" from the RIAA. There is nothing TO hide; file sharing applications are legal.

[ShepMode]

Originally posted by Jorge
I would like to see the developer community embrace the wide variaty of users we see here at zeropaid.com. If we can create a place for developers to meet and discuss various topics without public intervention, I am sure developers would be delighted to talk about serious topics.

I'm glad you see the point I was making.

You could probably have "Developer Discussion" in a box on the index page (perhaps half the size of "Recent Posts" to make enough space) with links to latest threads.

[Vlet]

Originally posted by crackerjacker
Would it be possible to password protect this forum for bonafide developers of P2P software / services? Non-members of the forum would not be allowed to post or view any threads in this forum.

i think your an asshole. simple as that.
you are retarted.
:)
why the fuck should only developers be the only one to view the information. for that they might as well make their own dam forum.
you are really smoking something.

and what the hell is the dam point to allow developers to have a closed forum.
zeropaid does have forums for p2p developers but everyone is able to view them.
like i said you must really be on something.
let me have some of what your having.
second thought i dont want to have the mindset you surely just express just now.
later retart

...Who's the retarded asshole here. Settle down beavis.

[Malakai1911]

well....

is there a way to make it postable by devel-group members, then readable by everyone?

that wouldnt be too bad...

[setien]

Originally posted by crackerjacker
i think your an asshole. simple as that.
you are retarted.
:)
why the fuck should only developers be the only one to view the information. for that they might as well make their own dam forum.
you are really smoking something.
[/B]

Maybe, and this is just a guess, it's because of foul-mouthed retards like yourself spewing incessant noise instead of discussing things in a calm, open minded and intelligent manner.

[Julian]

Originally posted by Jorge
I would like to see the developer community embrace the wide variaty of users we see here at zeropaid.com. If we can create a place for developers to meet and discuss various topics without public intervention, I am sure developers would be delighted to talk about serious topics.
I agree, I would like to talk about some serious OSX development without the intervention of "non serious developers" or people that could "off" the topic. Perhaps private dev groups for each platform??

[aqlo]

What i can do is set up a developer group, and only that group can post in a specific forum.

I would also like to discuss ways developers can post featured articles on the site to help inform advanced p2p users on current topics.
Jorge, I like your ideas and intentions but not Shep's. Lamourlady hit on the positive side immediately and saved the thread from degenerating farther, but the intitial push was entirely counter-productive. So I went ahead and read through Shep's posts, plenty of talking-about-talking but no content so far. Is this person trying to develop something for you, do you think their opinions are useful in general, or are you just seizing on the opportunity to push your own good ideas? I'm sure we will see soon enough, no pressure.

Shep, I'm not trying to say you don't have any useful information, I just haven't seen it yet. And why is it that whenever someone starts a thread with "Please don't think I'm" doing whatever, they then proceed to do just that? From my point of view what you are asking is for many people, properly including YOU until you prove differently, to be silenced in this one box. Is that what you want?


think your an asshole. simple as that.
you are retarted.
:)
why the fuck should only developers be the only one to view the information. for that they might as well make their own dam forum.
you are really smoking something.

and what the hell is the dam point to allow developers to have a closed forum.
zeropaid does have forums for p2p developers but everyone is able to view them.
like i said you must really be on something.
let me have some of what your having.
second thought i dont want to have the mindset you surely just express just now.
later retart
CJ I trust your judgement and sympathize with your strong feelings but I don't think this thread in this forum was the right place to express it that way. I guess I'm picking on you, plenty of times there are people expressing themselves inappropriately in debates about particular programs and no one cares, but in this case in this place what I would hope to read is actual developer content and instead we have this RETARTED fight I hope gets removed.

Speaking of removing, Krell you have my vote to clean these threads up anyway you like, maybe if you invite us to repost our thoughts without all the ranting and block quotes of what you have already removed then our second draft will be a lot cleaner and more useful.

[setien]

Aqlo, I must say that you are a rare gem among forum posters.

I actually don't see anything wrong with Sheps idea, the way I understand it. I read a lot on zeropaid dev, but I don't write very much because the forums are so filled with what I consider noise.
I would like to be as fair and open minded as Aqlo, but I must admit that I am not; If there are too many posts of the type "Hey, I am a no-talent clooless n00b that cant spel, but I want to makez the most wicked filesharing app ever, I just need some coderz and skinners!!!!! Any cool coders who want to join?!!?" and I can't get myself to spend hours typing up serious ideas for protocol improvements.
In my eyes, the ratio between the interesting posts with interesting new ideas to the run of the mill blab posts is just a tad disheartening.

So while people might take offence from Sheps posts because it seems elitist or whatnot, I still think he has a valid point: There is no forum for people who have innovative, workable ideas and an idea whether it is actually feasible, and who want to discuss their idea with their peers, and not have to sift through a bunch of ideas for filesharing clients with built in ice cream scoopers.

[Sensibility]

Seph and Setiene. Why would you want to create such a forum here? If you were really into this you would find an already existing creative community on irc. I understand the hot thing in p2p at the moment is security. Maybe you should go to earthstation 5's forums, isnt that their big issue?
The whole idea of a closed forum where "info could be leaked to the happy idiots" really stinks of you wanting to be "one of the mysterious few" more than you wanting to develop ideas in interaction with others.
I find it disheartening to see everybody turn on a plate as soon as Jorge seized the hypothetical chance for boosting usernumbers. Suddenly Crackerjacker is the baaad guy buuh! Krells original statement about moderation was right, maybe seph could be the moderator of a normal open forum about developing and simply clean up the spam and see how that would work out, if the fight against spam is really his true agenda.

[setien]

Sensibility, ES5 is a big fat joke. What they make is hype and a very, very lame filesharing client. I wouldn't trust ES5 as far as I can throw a tank (and I am not the Hulk).

I would rather have a place where ideas can be developed without the restriction of thinking in the context of an existing application.

I can honestly say that I couldn't care less if I am one of the mysterious few. I don't care if everyone can read what I am writing, as long as there is some kind of minimum level of competence of the people posting.
I am not talking about only letting professors of filesharing post, but rather people who have interesting ideas and are willing to discuss them in an open minded an intelligent manner, instead of flaming each other or writing comments just to be saying something.
I am not saying that's the usual case in this forum, but it's certainly to often to my liking.

Frankly, I am not very emotionally invested in this debate. I have long since realized the need to go elsewhere for the discussions I want, rather than trying to change zeropaid which is great at what it does.
I just didn't like to see Shep get flamed for something I felt was a valid point.

[Julian]

Has anyone been to the_gdf? It gets out of control everytime someone non serious pops in. It takes all of the dev. off the track.