Spread the word: TCPA

[trixtium]

---Boycott the TCPA!----

TCPA stands for the Trusted Computing Platform Alliance, an initiative led by Intel. Their stated goal is `a new computing platform for the next century that will provide for improved trust in the PC platform.' Palladium is software that Microsoft says it plans to incorporate in future versions of Windows; it will build on the TCPA hardware, and will add some extra features.

TCPA / Palladium will make it much harder for you to run unlicensed software. Pirate software can be detected and deleted remotely. It will also make it easier for people to rent software rather than buying it; and if you stop paying the rent, then NOT ONLY DOES THE SOFTWARE STOP WORKING BUT SO MAY THE FILES IT CREATED. For years, Bill Gates has dreamed of finding a way to make the Chinese pay for software: Palladium could be the answer to his prayer. THE TCPA IS A FAR MORE DIRE THREAT TO FILESHARING THAN THE RIAA AND MPAA COMBINED!

What YOU can do:

--> Visit www.againsttcpa.com

--> Go to My Kazaa (or My Kazaa Lite K++, depending on your version). Select any software you might have and right-click on them. When the context menu pops up, select "Edit Details..." At the More Options Properties dialog box, click on the "More" tab, and in the description box, paste this message in.

--> Go to the search section of Kazaa and click on "Software." Search for a popular app, such as Photoshop, and send this message to the users sharing the app.

--> Share the TCPA text file.

File: TCPA.txt (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/attachment.php?s=&postid=147632)
Length: 42005 Bytes, 41KB
UUHash: =NPwKw7cJ8gttgl8ndozbfepb//8=

--> IM other users about this and request that they share this message with others.

[Krell]

Thx for helping me keep an eye on these IP addesses for new user, and help me nail repeat spammers.

[trixtium]

Hey, I'm sorry, I couldn't find a better wording than what I had written in the text file. I thought something like this would happen.

I'm just a new user who had never felt the need to post until I learned about the TCPA and wanted to spread the word.

[Krell]

I didnt say that you were or werent, I merely pointed out that we watch.

I am not in favor of Palladium, or the loss of control, we just get a lot of alarmist propaganda here. Thx for the info.

[trixtium]

Well, it's alarming that a search on Kazaa for TCPA turns up absolutely nothing, and I think that if people actually fileshare this info word will spread more quickly.

[Lucian]

problem is solved if you simply buy AMD. AMD makes chips just as good and theres no reason to buy the more expensive intel chips.

[trixtium]

AMD is part of the TCPA, Lucian.

http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-members.html

[muffenme]

:fire
I am not going with this line of processor that is talk about. I don't want them to tell me what I can put on my machine. They would end up finding a way to deleting my music and all my software that I didn't pay for. I rather my Pentium III 500. Oh and if Intel does it, do expect the other to take the same ideal. I like to see this ideal fail.
:hole

[trixtium]

If legislation has its way, you may be forced to buy a new, DRM computer in order to continue using the Internet, creating documents compatible with the Mircosoft format (i.e. Word, Excel, etc.) and playing new games. Plus, you won't be able to use an open-source operating system such as Linux or FreeBSD, nor will you be able to build your own custom computer, thus forcing you to rely on commercial computer vendors such as *shudder* Dell or Compaq.

In addition, there is talk of legislation that will nullify fair use for "grandfathered" systems, meaning that you won't be able to buy an old, non-DRM computer legally.

[muffenme]

:fire
Holey Super hero in training, I think that most of the computer company that poduces software, computer, cpu, and hardware.
The only company I didn't is ASUS, Epson, D-Link, Red Hat, and maybe a few handful of other computer company. Oh would Linux run on this new CPU because of it open source. We need another CPU company to replace Intel and AMD that doesn't have this stupid ideal in it. I think I might have to get the mother board, cpu, hardware, and all the software patch so I can still use the new stuff. Better yet don't go to the new computers.
:hole

[trixtium]

Well, the best thing you can do is fight this ridiculous movement so we don't have to give in to the greedy corporations and be forced to use outdated software. Spread the word any way you can, because what is fighting for digital media worth if you can't even use it?

[muffenme]

:fire
I am not going to buy this computer and if they force be to by not allowing me on the internet then they would lose my $42.95 per month for my high speed. I say no to this ideal. Anyway they can't stop you from buying use computer such as Pentium 1, 80486, 80386, 80286, 80186, 8086, 8088, V20, & V30 because none of these CPU's would be able to run the newer software. Today it hard to get on the internet with a 80486. Down with all these company because I not going to give up any my older computer for anyone. If I going to get a newer computer, I rather it be put together with my hands and not by anyone else hands.

For those out there I have 1 pentium 3 500, 1 pentium 1 166, and 3 80486 (75, 33, 25).

I have two mother boards, 1 80486 66, 1 8086 ?.

I have two CPU not in used beside this, Pentium 2 350, Pentium 3 450.

Anyway, this ideal can't fly because we just mod the parts so the TCPA ideal is disabled just like the playstation.
:hole

[muffenme]

:fire
If this goes though then I see people dumping the internet for a more opennet type ideal where every information is free. I not paying one cent for this Bull. We need to create this OpenNet ideal around the world and get some company to make a TCM free CPU. I see that we must use Linux over the normal Windows enviroment. Free music, free software, free to do what and when we want it and without paying someone to do it. If I want to look at porn and listen to my music while programming the next p2p softwaare then I should without paying any of these mother For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge ER a single penny.

Take this ideal and shin it up really nicely, turn that sucker sidewise, and shove it straight all of their candy asses and if your not down with that, I have two words for you! SUCK IT! And that the bottem line because I said so.
:devil
:hole

[Krell]

Calm down, and watch your mouth, or I will delete all your posts.


And that the bottem line because I said so.

[Jelsoft]

If this goes through I won't be buying any new computer or new OS for a long time.

Unless TCPA force everybody in the world to throw away their old computers this will hurt the computer industry. Nobody will buy a computer with these restrictions.

[random nut]

Originally posted by trixtium
Plus, you won't be able to use an open-source operating system such as Linux or FreeBSD

That's just BS and you know it. If they did that they would get sued.

[TipYourBartender]

Although I'm as wary as the next guy about the TCPA, I think that you will see companies develop non-TCPA computers bundled with Linux and programs that willl replace most, if not all, of what you see now.

My reasoning is that, as PC users become more sophisticated, they will realize how bad the TCPa is, and a market will arise for non-TCPA goods. And companies will fill that void, and get rich off of it.

And as for them locking out the Net, that will never happen, I assure you.

Anyone think I'm wrong here?

[muffenme]

:fire
I not saying it streight out. Anyway this is what microsoft want use to beleave that this TCPA is.
:hole

[muffenme]

:fire
I just get so upset to find out that the internet would be just for the rich people that can pay when most of us would have problem just to do simple thing like chat because we don't have the (you fill in the word) money to pay for it.
:hole

[trixtium]

Originally posted by random nut
That's just BS and you know it. If they did that they would get sued.

Heh, No, it's not.

http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-faq-en.html



TCPA will undermine the General Public License (GPL), under which many free and open source software products are distributed. The GPL is designed to prevent the fruits of communal voluntary labour being hijacked by private companies for profit. Anyone can use and modify software distributed under this licence, but if you distribute a modified copy, you must make it available to the world, together with the source code so that other people can make subsequent modifications of their own.

At least two companies have started work on a TCPA-enhanced version of GNU/linux. This will involve tidying up the code and removing a number of features. To get a certificate from the TCPA corsortium, the sponsor will then have to submit the pruned code to an evaluation lab, together with a mass of documentation showing why various known attacks on the code don't work. (The evaluation is at level E3 - expensive enough to keep out the free software community, yet lax enough for most commercial software vendors to have a chance to get their lousy code through.) Although the modified program will be covered by the GPL, and the source code will be free to everyone, it will not make full use of the TCPA features unless you have a certificate for it that is specific to the Fritz chip on your own machine. That is what will cost you money (if not at first, then eventually).

You will still be free to make modifications to the modified code, but you won't be able to get a certificate that gets you into the TCPA system. Something similar happens with the linux supplied by Sony for the Playstation 2; the console's copy protection mechanisms prevent you from running an altered binary, and from using a number of the hardware features. Even if a philanthropist does a not-for-profit secure GNU/linux, the resulting product would not really be a GPL version of a TCPA operating system, but a proprietary operating system that the philanthropist could give away free. (There is still the question of who would pay for the user certificates.)

People believed that the GPL made it impossible for a company to come along and steal code that was the result of community effort. This helped make people willing to give up their spare time to write free software for the communal benefit. But TCPA changes that. Once the majority of PCs on the market are TCPA-enabled, the GPL won't work as intended. The benefit for Microsoft is not that this will destroy free software directly. The point is this: once people realise that even GPL'led software can be hijacked for commercial purposes, idealistic young programmers will be much less motivated to write free software.

[trixtium]

Well, if it DOES go through, I will do everything in my power to make my comp as non-TCPA compliant as possible.

But we'd better make sure it DOESN'T! That's why I posted the original message:



---Boycott the TCPA!----

TCPA stands for the Trusted Computing Platform Alliance, an initiative led by Intel. Their stated goal is `a new computing platform for the next century that will provide for improved trust in the PC platform.' Palladium is software that Microsoft says it plans to incorporate in future versions of Windows; it will build on the TCPA hardware, and will add some extra features.

TCPA / Palladium will make it much harder for you to run unlicensed software. Pirate software can be detected and deleted remotely. It will also make it easier for people to rent software rather than buying it; and if you stop paying the rent, then NOT ONLY DOES THE SOFTWARE STOP WORKING BUT SO MAY THE FILES IT CREATED. For years, Bill Gates has dreamed of finding a way to make the Chinese pay for software: Palladium could be the answer to his prayer. THE TCPA IS A FAR MORE DIRE THREAT TO FILESHARING THAN THE RIAA AND MPAA COMBINED!

What YOU can do:

--> Visit www.againsttcpa.com

--> Go to My Kazaa (or My Kazaa Lite K++, depending on your version). Select any software you might have and right-click on them. When the context menu pops up, select "Edit Details..." At the More Options Properties dialog box, click on the "More" tab, and in the description box, paste this message in.

--> Go to the search section of Kazaa and click on "Software." Search for a popular app, such as Photoshop, and send this message to the users sharing the app.

--> Share the TCPA text file.

File: TCPA.txt
Length: 42044 Bytes, 41KB

--> IM other users about this and request that they share this message with others.


Go on and do what I suggest, and word will spread. An "OpenNet" won't function if nobody knows about the TCPA and thus has no reason to develop one or fight Fritz's legislation that would make "OpenNet" illegal. Instead of complaining, do something about this!

[trixtium]

I've attached tcpa.txt to this post, in case anybody wants to get it...

[FutureIverson]

i've spread the word, i probably will get a p4 or xeon on XP and that'll be it. it should last me for a couple years. Some programs don't run on 95 anymore, next 98, then ME (my pc right now) it won't hurt to get up to date so you aren't forced to buy a new computer until they have p8's or something

[drakelord]

Personally, if they did make it so we could only use a certain type of computer, how would they enforce it? Its not like they can scan offline computers...

[trixtium]

Well, if the hardware is using proprietary software, ie WinXP, they'll be forced to connect to the internet in order to activate it. If it's open source software, Fritz's legislation, if passed, will make buying or selling non-DRM hardware illegal, thus forcing you to buy it on the black market.

Plus, this would kill filesharing software, since you have to be on the 'Net to share.

[isus]

whee!

apple!

whee!

(picture, like, a scary naked guy, running thru the superbowl, screaming "whee!". then you will understand this post... lol)

[Lehk]

Originally posted by trixtium
Well, if the hardware is using proprietary software, ie WinXP, they'll be forced to connect to the internet in order to activate it. If it's open source software, Fritz's legislation, if passed, will make buying or selling non-DRM hardware illegal, thus forcing you to buy it on the black market.

Plus, this would kill filesharing software, since you have to be on the 'Net to share.

activation crack has been out for a long time...


TCPA/palladium will be turned for the good of the people through the tireless efforts of an army of hackers... gotta be some way to set up your own "fake" internet within a LAN in which to fool a TCPA computer into thinking it has permission to convert DRM media into unencrypted media... either that or run code that dedicates your(and millions of other peoples) machine to making constant requests to the TCPA permissions servers so that they overload and crash frequently... TCPA will be abandoned very quickly if it is "unreliable" ... only make the requests by actually requesting permission to do something... that way it is not a DOS attack but just a very mean thing to do

[d3ft0n3s]

i dunno, we could just all get win2k SP4, and 802.11 cards with cantenne's and make a second network outside of the internet just with a singular, unifide filesharing program with instant messaging built into it(messanger would give you a unique id based on your hardware configure , kinda like a ICQ number).

like a VPN type deal or your network at work thats not connected to the net (now they all are so sum people might not remmber)

and being wireless would be crapy for them. cause its high speed and we could setup this program we all use to route requests through multiple computers to confuse the goverment about from and where its going so even if they have antenne's looking for ppl they wont know who's violating it.

in other words.....one...huge...gnutella network...with 2 meg a second broadband. only limited by your horizon. i think the FCC would be on the GOV's ass if they tried to scramble/warbomb/DOS our connections too.

talkin outa my ass tho....
gimmi sum links if sumbody is attemting this?

[TipYourBartender]

Um...Freenet?

[Theinfamousone]

Yeah, let's just say that if Windows and Intel and AMD start taking our rights away from us, I'll buy a Mac so fast their heads will spin. And I agree that with Wifi networks becoming more standardized, the old system of having to pay an Internet provider for bandwidth and such is going byebye.

BTW, there's no court that will force people to use Windows. If there is one thing Americans DON'T stand for, it's Anti-trust. Courts ABSOLUTELY HATE it when companies intentionally keep their competition from being able to....well...compete. They are barely putting up with Microsoft as it is, and I know for a fact they won't like this at all. There's no way they'll be able to keep people from using Linux...will ISPs go with this? I doubt that too. They'll put up a stink since most of them are on the verge of collapse and by the time it takes to force everyone to switch over to TCPA, they'll all be bankrupt. Think about it, it's going to take years to get everyone to buy this new OS, even if it wasn't full of DRM, I think like 75% of people are still using Windows 98 alone, and Windows XP has been out for 2 years. If all of the sudden, only 10% of computers could access the internet, and the other 90% suddenly stopped paying their bill, the ISPs would fold. If it comes to that, I'll scrap my internet connection anyway, which a lot of other people will probably do too. And on top of that, it will force people to switch to private wireless internets, which the ISPs can't stand the thought of either I'm sure.

If the future of computers is completely open source OSs on completely free wireless internet connections completely independent of the one that the RIAA can control, I won't lose any sleep.

I'm wondering if you even need to proxy when using wifi internet because there would be no ISP that could squeal on your IP address and personal information. The RIAA would be like, "hmm, I have the IP address 213.22.33.555 but I don't know who to ask about where it originates"

[method]

The biggest problem and the main professional criticism of the TCPA is how it's likely to be used in anti-competitive ways.

At worse, your computer might respond with... "[ES5/Freenet/whatever] has been deemed illegal due to the nature in which it cloaks illegal activity on-line. This application will not be given TCP/IP or UDP internet access on your computer as per the terms and conditions of the TCPA."

The good news...

We've got hoards of crackers to deal with the software and Sony will tell you... Hardware protection can be circumvented easily. If anything, it'll just be a few more hurdles.

Diet Windows XP Lite++... Intel modchips? - heh, who knows!?

[crackerjacker]

hmm this paladium crap thingie subject has been around for a very long time.
hmm
simply dont buy from the companies who want to implement this junk. as far as i know this is optional this paladium crapulence with microsoft etc.
hmm no thank you
anyhow like i say this is not about to happen and even if it does i am sure you know what will happen.

*dribble dribble dribble*
hehe

[muffenme]

:fire

Down the toilet with TCPA, I stick with Windows 98 SE even though I do have the Windows ME CD and Windows 2000 Pro CD also but they aren't installed. I hope this ideal fails and fails big time because I don't want any company ripping me off. I not or ever will go to this system even if they come out with a pentium 20 500 Thz or 500 000 Ghz system. I stick with my old pentium 3 500 Mhz and my older computer. I would see the penium 10 system go for $50 and I wouldn't touch it at a flea market. Take this (use of sware word) ideal and flush it down the toilet or take this ideal and place back in the oven because it only 10% baked and that wrost then half baked.

:hole

[d3ft0n3s]

Theinfamousone ,

problem is they coudl wire up a car looking for your ip address, and just walk up to your door couldnt they?

being as on a wifi internet you coudl only connect to your horizon and those people horizon, unless you had a link to the internet(which would defy the whole purpose here...) and drive down the block looking for where the signal responding to 234.235.12.16 is coming from. then just walk up to your house and catch you red handed if you let them in.

man we need to dump tcp/ip and recreate a new standard.

beign as wireless is rediculosly fast, the gnutella/edonkey model is perfect to model after.

person A wants file from person D so person B and C each take half from him and send back to person A.

insert a bazillion other people in between horizontally and laterally.

maybe they coudl develop a driver set that re-programed the wifi cards to operate seperate that of tcp/ip and have a program dedicated to operating on the new stardard...that way we dont lose all DNS.or like piggyback off of the internet for the DNS.

i dunno im talkign outa my ass but i want answers, lol. but this needs to happen.

im sick of paying for slow internet. anything slower than 1meg a second up and down is sub-par. we should only have to pay for CD-r's and our electric bill.

i wouldnt even mind being only connected to 400 other file share'rs out their. it would all be so fast it wouldnt matter. and al you need is one person to bridge the connection to another horizon.

wow its 6 am...

[d3ft0n3s]

TipYourBartender,

i just read up on freenet.

1: wont work unless half of the kazaa people use it
2:updating files and knowing when to delete them is a b!tch
3:still dependant upon regular internet,
but if it was incorporated into the new wifi (lets just call it inet2) it might have a place, but you come back to the first 2 problems.

damnit , its 6:12....

[jj_frap]

Hollings used to be a fucking Klansman...Now he's the Imperial Wiazard of the Komputer Kontrol Klan. He's probably taking out his politically incorrect rage against Blacks on computer users.

We should lynch all those fucking dixiecrat neoconfederate Nazis.

[trixtium]

He WAS? Mind pointing me to a link?

[Theinfamousone]

Originally posted by d3ft0n3s
Theinfamousone ,

problem is they coudl wire up a car looking for your ip address, and just walk up to your door couldnt they?

being as on a wifi internet you coudl only connect to your horizon and those people horizon, unless you had a link to the internet(which would defy the whole purpose here...) and drive down the block looking for where the signal responding to 234.235.12.16 is coming from. then just walk up to your house and catch you red handed if you let them in.

I see the problem with only being able to communicate with those on the horizon, but I am big into Ham radios, and with enough power, you can talk to people on the other side of the world. I don't know if this is likely, since you would have to get millions of businesses to switch over to the new internet. Frankly, I don't know which is more likely, the world forcing everyone to use the TCPA OS, or the world completely switching over to a wireless internet.

The thing about the wireless internet is that you would have to employ tens of thousands of police to monitor cities for file sharing? No one is going to do that. Copyright infringment is not a criminal act, therefore the police will never get involved. The RIAA is based in California. Therefore the rest of the US would be safe, and even if they did catch someone in California file sharing, they would have no evidence to convict that person. The only basis for their lawsuit would be their word, and it's easy enough to shred files. My point is that it would be FAR beyond the realm of plauisibilty to track you down when everyone is on wifi.

Anyway, if we could get internet repeaters set up in cities in stuff, you could connect thousands of people around the city in internets, and it might be able to grow from there. The fact that it's free and a hundred times faster than dial up would probably help it catch on and grow. We'd like it because it was anonymous.

[muffenme]

:fire

Microsoft stats that this ideal which is NGSCB can be disabled. I am not sure about this but they also said that the user would still be in control of his/her computer and it wouldn't efffect software runned on it, something like using a higher tech firewall I guest. That something I should have, the firewall, but do have problem finding a good one. Please don't tell me about ZoneAlarm because it doesn't work for me.

This is my ideal from the information that I got from them. They could end up down the road disabling the NGSCB disable option but I not sure.

:hole

[Theinfamousone]

Originally posted by muffenme
They could end up down the road disabling the NGSCB disable option but I not sure.

Of course, Microsoft is so under handed, they'd never let on that they are taking your rights away until everything is set up and people are used to it, and they pull the plug on the last of your freedom.

[Krypt0]

Originally posted by Theinfamousone
Of course, Microsoft is so under handed, they'd never let on that they are taking your rights away until everything is set up and people are used to it, and they pull the plug on the last of your freedom.

VERY, VERY good point!

[crackerjacker]

hmm filesharing is here for a reason though.
lol
so like many other people said, and as well as i would say its to late for the riaa to come up with a good deal to sell cds. no one is going to buy them.
instead they will boycott them. now its not only about boycotting them, its about individuals rights and what individuals is allowed to do with the purchase music you buy.
and after the fact, whats even more interesting in, is the idea that the riaa wants to tell you what to do with your computer.
as well as many other technological companies.

several months ago i read about the paladium issue. now this paladium idea has been out for way over a year. but when i finally read the issues it dawned on me that this isnt about filesharing in itself.
Its about companies gathering together to monopolize the business world and tell consumers what kind of software they should use on their computers.

It can be open source, freeware, etc software. If this had been
the case to protect copy right works then i would of whole heartly agree with it.
but this is about the mechanics and technological revolutions of the computer age and about individuals choice to use what type of software on their computer.

againsttcpa.com
really read it.
keep and open mind and realize its more then beats the eyes on what is really going on in the p2p arena.
:)
riaa is easy to blame p2p as the reasoning for financial loss.


riaa violates your rights and privacy.
thanks alot *not*


btw here are some zeropaid news links for paladium.
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/06042003c

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/05192003e
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/01282003g

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/12142002b

[crackerjacker]

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heres what is really going to happen with the the tcpa issue.
not a damn thing.lmao its not going to happen. its just an idea and people will not accept this.


I know damn well i wont. hmm and the massive amount of lawsuits that will be taking place because of this.

talk about monopolizations.

[Pebbles100]

OMG trixtium !! - you have really scared the $%$^ out of me! Pretty soon the government will be planting tiny chips into our brains to control our every move! lol

[tMoD]

I think TCPA could very well work. I think many people here only interact with other hackers and don't realize that most people are not computer literate. If I went to Best Buy, for example, to buy a computer and saw the words "TCPA-compliant" I would say, "What is that? Totally Cool Processor Association? Sounds good to me." I would then proceed to fork over my cash, take it home, and find out I can't do a damn thing with it- and I wouldn't know why, I wouldn't even suspect the TCPA technology. The average computer user wouldn't be the wiser.

[stevenkao]

i don't blame bill gates for wanting to get rid of pirating. did you know THAT 90% of all software sold in china is pirated? not only do the chinese pirate software, they pirate cars, calculators watches EVERYTHING!!!! For a person so smart, Bill Gates should have gotten the fact that NOBODY would fork over 439 dollars for Office instead of downloading openoffice for free!

[Malicious Intent]

I remember when Bill Gate flew into Russian in a private helicopter, set up a fancy stage surrounded by armed men and asked people on the streets who are trying to make two dollars to rub together (yes dollars - street traders wouldn't except rubles when I was there) to stop selling his software as it was stealing money from him.