Pacbell Sues Riaa!!

[Raiseup]

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20030731_9.html

Good!

[.::BeatFactory::.]

Nice...

I would like to see how this unfolds over the next few weeks/months.:wings

[isus]

lol. i hope they win.

[FutureIverson]

Pac Bell? the people who owns the giants stadium or the computer maker. didn't the computer maker go out of business. My computer a pac bell broke down and when i called to get a repair off my warranty they said they were bankrupt or something, I wish them all the luck against the riaa.

[mojo-ris-in]

No Pac Bell the telephone company not packard bell the PC Mfg.

Eh it's only the start of a very long procedure. Too soon to get excited about yet but a good start.

[PowerMan57two]

Oh okay I thought it was Packard Bell the PC people. Thanks.

[REDO]

pac bell = pacific bell. they are a phone company and yes, they own Pac Bell stadium. Packard Bell is a different company.

[XtraNtnse]

This is probably just one of many companies who will bring the RIAA to court, which will soon lead to their end. Or maybe make them back off at least. Either way, the world doesn't need them. :fire

[mojo-ris-in]

Originally posted by REDO
pac bell = pacific bell. they are a phone company and yes, they own Pac Bell stadium. Packard Bell is a different company.

MMM not 100% sure they own the stadium they may just own the naming rights. But they might. Not disputing it just not sure.

[elperro91]

That's frickin awesome...MAJOR ups to Pac Bell for having the sack to stick it right back in the RIAA's mug! This sort of thing now needs to happen on an exponential basis.

[SrBrunox]

Pac Bell has the money too. They dont want to lose the business so they have to fight, makes good publicity too. A good way to get in the news and be seen. Hopefully the other ISPs will follow suit. Looking at what im doing on the internet is a violation of my privacy (period)

Stick it too em Pac Bell, even if you do charge way too much :)

Pac Bell Park is sweet, i got to bat there for a pac bell systems promotion, nice grass, looks smaller than on tv

[FutureIverson]

your right mojo they only have naming rights. It is a nice park. How about that cove, that's my dream to get a ball from bonds. Just hope terell owens doesn't get it first. (commercial) I visit california maybe ever 2 years. And i know there's going to be a wedding their in September so i expect to head back up before school, so it's not impossible

[mojo-ris-in]

Yeah I kind of figure they did futureiverson. That's usually the norm these days. The team owners usually own the stadiums and lease the naming rights. Toyota just paid big bucks the other day to name the Houston Rockets' new basketball arena to Toyota Center. No one will reveal the exact numbers but it's believed to be in the area of 200 million over 20 or 30 years.

[Theinfamousone]

It depends on the judge whether they will win I believe. If the judge sees the RIAA as a bunch of greedy losers trying to punish 60 million Americans (not just file sharers, but ISPs, computer manufacturers, disc manufacturers etc) just so they can increase their profit margin 5% (if that) than Pac Bell will mop the floor with them. But it might just get kicked out like Kazaa's anti-trust lawsuit (which was a complete joke as much as I'd love to have seen them win).

The thing is that the whole internet is infringing copyrights. Every time you load Pepsi's logo from their website, you are copying something that has been copyrighted.....so Pac Bell's lawsuit does make sense.

The main problem I see is that the RIAA isn't attacking ISPs, so Pac Bell really doesn't have any grounds for sueing, they are asking for names, which is making less people subscribe to the ISP which I suppose is financially hurting them. Unless I'm wrong, then please tell me.

Whether they shouldn't have sued from DC courts or just California courts, well, that's for a lot of lawyers and judges to dispute, I have no idea.

[Winphuk]

Wow,
Seems theyre pissing everbody off!

[jonnymnemonic]

I like the fact that they want a jury trial. Your average person (e.g. juror) is apt to be VERY concerned about anyone being able to so easily obtain their personal information without any involvement from a judge. I see nothing wrong with subpoenas, but there's far too little oversight on these particular subpoenas. I mean, if I had Hillary Rosen's IP address (or her successor), the on;y thing I'd have to do to get personal info is make an allegation of copyright infringment. (Which, you gotta admit, would be a pretty goddamn funny thing to do.)

In fact, someone should do that (I'm personally far too lazy to drive downtown to the local courthouse). And once the personal information is obtained, is there any legality that would prohibit publishing it all over the net? Probably not. But even if there was, it'd get posted anyway, I'm sure.

[FutureIverson]

ironically mojo if you remember. The houston astros sold their naming rights to Enron (heh they say the hump in left field is shredded documents)... And when Enron went through all it's legal crap. Houston took back the naming rights and sold them to minute maid (lol, rumor is they don't sell soda at that park... what next orange juice man bobblehead day). But anyways when Enron was unable to continue paying Houston. Houston could wait until the contract was up (20 years and then still be owed money by Enron) or they could reclaim naming rights.

Houston decided to reclaim naming rights but in doing so they broke the contract with Enron. Enron recieved millions of dollars even after closing down. I've noticed since then, people have become a little reluctant with naming rights. such as Seahawks Stadium, and ballpark in arlington rights were never sold

[mojo-ris-in]

Yeah I lived through all the Enron crap and lost money with them also but you take the good with the bad. When they were making money they helped to pay for my house and when it started to belly up I got out before some others did and actually came out pretty good considering. I haven't caught a game since they renamed it Minute Maid Park so I don't know about the soda rumour. They sold it before the change so I'd have a hard time believing they didn't but hey who knows. Weirder things have happened.

[Psilaxs]

The telecommunications industry (at least those who offer dial up and DSL, since the cable companies also own music and movie rights etc) Are coming to their senses.

They know this is a huge battle for their consumers, and if they want to continue the trend of 31-33% increase in broad band adaptation like have been seeing for the last 2 1/2 years they know they will have to do something to protect their customers.

They know why people get broadband, they know what they use it for, and it has been the sole reason why they have been riding the financial gravy train.

[at.morris]

The way I read the article, it seems that they are suing because the RIAA are obtaining personnal information not by the book, perhaps getting lazy or rushing in order to get as many names as possible. I once heard that if a policeman can't make an arrest without his hat on (I don't know how true this is), so a couple of people may get off a robbery on that technical fault. That doesn't mean that all robbers are safe. Like wise, the RIAA can just start doing things by the book.

[Caitlyn Marble]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
The telecommunications industry (at least those who offer dial up and DSL, since the cable companies also own music and movie rights etc) Are coming to their senses.

They know this is a huge battle for their consumers, and if they want to continue the trend of 31-33% increase in broad band adaptation like have been seeing for the last 2 1/2 years they know they will have to do something to protect their customers.

They know why people get broadband, they know what they use it for, and it has been the sole reason why they have been riding the financial gravy train.

That's exactly what I was thinking. If the day comes where I can't do p2p, that will be the day I go back to 56k. unless I started playing multiplayer games or something else that sucks up bandwidth, there isn't any point in paying 60$ a month for speed I'm never going to need

I'd like to see comcast come in and join as well.

the one ISP I can't see joining would be AOL. while they have some people on broadband, and millions on 56k they'd like to get on broadband, they also happen to have a record company wanting attention. an interesting mix.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Holy Shit this is amazing!!

I bet they are going to win...they have more laws for privacy in their terms of service (Isp do) and RIAA cant do shit..now that this has started I can bet that the other major Isps will join the lawsuit in a fight against the RIAA...

[ROMANTICGUY50]

Originally posted by Raiseup
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20030731_9.html

Good!
Great. I hope they win the case against the assholes. More Power Toward Them

[Brycen257]

I think this is an awesome development. Best wishes to Pac Bell . Make those RIAA bastards pay through the nose . They are helping all of us in our ongoing fight against the RIAA by challenging those RIAA slime . From what I understand of the various cases they have taken to court so far, they have relied mainly on intimidation to force a group of scared (and probably broke people) to settle with them in order to ger rid of their legal troubles. Bad strategy people as this only encourages the RIAA to continue to use their terror tactics against the general population .

It is critical that the RIAA be stopped. They are so bent on destroying everyone who shares a few files on the internet that they are now openly advocating trampling all of our rights and freedoms, destruction of our computers (see Orrin Hatch) and extreme measures (for national security ????? - national security- my ass ) that will eliminate any notion of privacy or individuality whatsoever. The RIAA is the true threat to national security and freedom . Run them into the ground, Pac Bell. We will be cheering you on !!!!!!!!

[FutureIverson]

I'm a little more skeptikal. Verizon lost defending it's users in it's case, pac bell is going after the riaa. Common support against the riaa is our best weapon. I'm feeling good about the p2p battle right now. Subpoenas aren't going as quick as the riaa would like even though they have been successful with people settling.

[IsHaRe2000FilezSueMe]

It's good that finally a company like Pac Bell is helping the little guys. The RIAA knows that once they go after major companies they will fight back, but if they stay to families theyll win everytime. GO pac bell

[IsHaRe2000FilezSueMe]

It's good that finally a company like Pac Bell is helping the little guys. The RIAA knows that once they go after major companies they will fight back, but if they stay to families theyll win everytime. GO pac bell