ACCOPS Could Cripple Economy

[j72883]

Assuming that many of the file sharers are teens, using Internet bought by their parents, many parents could potentially be jailed, thus decreasing the labor force. Right now, this may seem unlikely to happen, but its worth considering.

[THC]

I agree with you. The Democrats want to make file sharing a FELONY, so that they can worsen the economy, and in the same move, make bush look bad.

Thats the only way they feel theyll have a chance in the next election.

[PowerMan57two]

I don't think it would pass by. The parents could complain that they have no idea what their teens do.

And also I am a teen and I pay for my own satellite internet $50/month since my job is so highly paid, I've paid ever since I have got it, and I have it on my own credit card. You ask how I got a credit card? Well the internet is a wonderful place to get anything!

But I doubt it would fly by.

[wonderboy2005]

i dont mean to turn this into a political debate, but bush isnt doing so aful hot right now. the amount of people in this country that still have faith in him is at an all time low and is still dwindling. maybe today's news will help him out a bit, but i think he's already dug himself too deep.

anyways, back to the topic at hand. while i do agree that ACCOPS is a bad thing, i dont think its fair to assume that most filesharers are teens relying on their parents for support. while i do not know this for sure, my guess would be college age people who make up the majority.

[PowerMan57two]

I just realized that I am under age. So I wouldn't be thrown in jail in my state. I would probably get probation or something. And then when I turn 18 my record clears.

[isus]

i'm starting to worry about our country entirely.

face it, even the romans and greeks couldn't keep their civilizations together forever.

now we have bs like 9/11 and evidence that culd have prevented it
we have the iraq war, which was bush's way of saying hi to 'daddy'
now we have all this bs floating up about who lied and what not.

does anyone remember 'the buck stops here'. of course bush doesn't take resposibility for what he said in the sotu... why should he? it wasn't his fault... of course not.

but there was a poll on cnn, asking "do you think bush will get re-elected?"

the results? 88% no, 12% yes.

now if only the democrats could back one candidate, instead of nine. and hopefully, that one candidate will understand what a computer is. because i invented the internet.

[wonderboy2005]

the reason Rome fell was because it grew too big too fast. they couldnt control their citizens, unlike us. infact, we are on the opposite side of the line compared to the romans. we are overcontrolled. if you walk across the street in the wrong place you can get a fine. the romans killed people for entertainment. quite a difference the way i see it. i dont mean to argue with you, but i think we need not worry about being undercontrolled in this country.

[isus]

i understand what you mean... i know rome and america will fall for different reasons... my point was that rome, one of the greatest civilizations ever to be known to have existed, fell.

with greedy, corrupt government officials, i give america, ehh, 20 years at best, unless we see presidents better than bill clinton (i did not have sex with that woman) and curious george (he choked on a pretzel for pete's sake... how often has that happened to anybody?)

and it's not just the presidents that hafta change, we hafta fix the courts, congress, etc.

never has that whole pro/con thing, between progress/congress, been more true. (i forgot the pro/con, so i had to explain the 'joke' instead of just saying it)

[j72883]

Originally posted by wonderboy2005
i dont mean to turn this into a political debate, but bush isnt doing so aful hot right now. the amount of people in this country that still have faith in him is at an all time low and is still dwindling. maybe today's news will help him out a bit, but i think he's already dug himself too deep.

anyways, back to the topic at hand. while i do agree that ACCOPS is a bad thing, i dont think its fair to assume that most filesharers are teens relying on their parents for support. while i do not know this for sure, my guess would be college age people who make up the majority.

I think he's doing significantly better now after the news of Sadda's sons dying.

[wonderboy2005]

he may be doing better, but that doesnt mean he's doing good. saddam is still out there, the al queda thing has basically been ignored, and he's going to heave one hell of a time trying to explain why we've been in iraq for months without finding "weapons of mass destruction"

for sake of arguement, i suppose i should let it be known that i am a democrat. reguardless, i dont like bush. i dont think i would if i were a republican. in my opinion, he's just gettting a free ride on daddy's name.

[THC]

Bush is doing good. Saddam needed to be taken out for multiple reasons. 1. his agressivness towards killing civilians 2. the power he held requiring outside areas to fund his crooked ways & 3. We need big ass land base near europe to defend thier slave asses.


As long as we have republicans , we will have freedom. Those democrats would have us unarmed, and defensles likethe rest of the world if they had it thier way. ...Who would stop the dictators from taking over our land then??




And thats cool the hussien kids got killed :hole

[ROMANTICGUY50]

Originally posted by isus
i'm starting to worry about our country entirely.

face it, even the romans and greeks couldn't keep their civilizations together forever.

now we have bs like 9/11 and evidence that culd have prevented it
we have the iraq war, which was bush's way of saying hi to 'daddy'
now we have all this bs floating up about who lied and what not.

does anyone remember 'the buck stops here'. of course bush doesn't take resposibility for what he said in the sotu... why should he? it wasn't his fault... of course not.

but there was a poll on cnn, asking "do you think bush will get re-elected?"

the results? 88% no, 12% yes.

now if only the democrats could back one candidate, instead of nine. and hopefully, that one candidate will understand what a computer is. because i invented the internet.
Not all democrats are bad.Only a few of them that would probaly be better replubicans than democrats/ I also hope and pray that, that jackass Bush Does Not get reelected. God Forbid. He is a fucking asshole. He stole the damn election and now look at the condition of our country(USA)

[Wolfie]

Originally posted by THC

As long as we have republicans , we will have freedom. Those democrats would have us unarmed, and defensles likethe rest of the world if they had it thier way. ...Who would stop the dictators from taking over our land then??


LMAO!!!!!

That's best laugh I had since the Bush vs. pretzel incident. Keep them coming, lol!


PS. A statement like thatdoes not even need a counter argument. Its just shoots itself in ass all by itself.

[Rickio]

Originally posted by Wolfie
LMAO!!!!!

That's best laugh I had since the Bush vs. pretzel incident. Keep them coming, lol!


PS. A statement like thatdoes not even need a counter argument. Its just shoots itself in ass all by itself.

I agree. lol

There is no way any country could ever take over the USA. For the same reason we could not win in Vietnam and also the same reason we cannot win any of these muslim wars we got going. Because when whole nations or cultures say no, the answer is no!


peace

[THC]

Thats because the civilians are armed Ricko. Are you saying if guns were banned , we could use sticks and mud to fight off invaders?


Democrats try to kill all firearm rights.

[Wolfie]

Originally posted by THC
Thats because the civilians are armed Ricko. Are you saying if guns were banned , we could use sticks and mud to fight off invaders?

What Invader???? Can give us an example of a potential inavder of the US? (and aliens don't count)

Even if anyone gets past the most powerful military in the world (not likely) the US can wipe thier country off the map while thier military is over here. Who would be stupid enough to risk that???

[Psilaxs]

The RIGHT to bear arms was not put in place to protect against foreign invaders (someone has been watching too much Simpson's)It was put in place so we have ability to protect us against our own damned government, it keeps them in check.

Imagine what they would try if we were not armed.

[notbob]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
The RIGHT to bear arms was not put in place to protect against foreign invaders (someone has been watching too much Simpson's)It was put in place so we have ability to protect us against our own damned government, it keeps them in check.

Imagine what they would try if we were not armed.

how could it get much worse than it is?

guns don't stop bush/ashcroft's patriot act b.s. from infringing everyone's civil rights

guns don't stop corporate near-monopolies from suing people into the poorhouse

guns do kill a disproportionate number of poor and minority people that aren't invading anyone

[que-em]

Originally posted by THC
Thats because the civilians are armed Ricko. Are you saying if guns were banned , we could use sticks and mud to fight off invaders?


Democrats try to kill all firearm rights.

Yall are funny. It amazes me how Americans are always worring about foreing invaders. It's almost like the elephant that is preoccupied with the mouse but doesnt consider that his biggest enemy is his own kind (ie Another American).

[wonderboy2005]

wow... im gone for an hour or so and the thread becomes a full fledged political war.

americans to not obsess about invasion. the little we do worry about it has a just cause. and its not like we're not keeping ourselves in check either. i dont know where you get your info, but it would seem to be coming out of thin air. in case you havnt noticed, crime is down in the past few years. sept. 11 2001 united our nation. we have very little cause to worry about 'our own kind'.

and how on earth do you connect republicans and freedom??? republican freedom.... i should put that in the oxymoron thread.

[Ken17625]

with greedy, corrupt government officials, i give america, ehh, 20 years at best

20 years?

I'd say more than that..................and I sincerely hope you're not wishing for it. (and no, i'm not "accusing you")

Since I exist in this country, I certainly don't.

[Lehk]

Originally posted by notbob
...guns don't stop corporate near-monopolies from suing people into the poorhouse...


They havent yet... but i wouldn't be shocked if some college kid who has to drop out of school and flip burgers b/c the riaa sued him for using kazaa decides to get the ultimate revenge

***I do not advocate violence against anyone***
... this is just my observation of human nature... since kids shoot up their school because people make fun of them... i would be shocked if someone didn't decide to go on a rampage

[Lucian]

I agree with you. The Democrats want to make file sharing a FELONY, so that they can worsen the economy, and in the same move, make bush look bad.

Thats the only way they feel theyll have a chance in the next election.

Dont be silly, Bush made the economy bad on his own. The Democrats arent all working as a team to make him look bad,

Just because a few Democrats are anti P2P doesnt mean that you cant find a few Republicans who are anti P2P.

Special interest groups can bribe both parties, and money matters more to politicians than George Bush unless they are running for President.

[Lucian]

Democrats try to kill all firearm rights.

Howard Dean supports firearms, it all depends on the Democrat.

The NRA gave Howard Dean an A rating.

Next you will say Republicans want smaller government ignoring the fact that Bush and Reagan made government bigger and more expensive.

[Lucian]

As long as we have republicans , we will have freedom. Those democrats would have us unarmed, and defensles likethe rest of the world if they had it thier way. ...Who would stop the dictators from taking over our land then??

Stop watching fox news, while Bush is out there fighting and defending your Freedom, behind the scenes him and his Republican congress and senate pass the Patriot Act and other laws which rob you of your Freedom.

Republicans want a giant police state where the government controls every aspect of your life, Democrats want to help the poor, minorities, women etc, to redistribute wealth.
Democrats do not believe in aggression (well most of them arent hawks anyway),


IT may be true that we have less defense under the Democrats, but because government is smaller and less powerful under the Democrats we have more Freedom.

Stop listening to what Bush says and watch what he does.

[que-em]

Originally posted by wonderboy2005
wow... im gone for an hour or so and the thread becomes a full fledged political war.

americans to not obsess about invasion. the little we do worry about it has a just cause. and its not like we're not keeping ourselves in check either. i dont know where you get your info, but it would seem to be coming out of thin air. in case you havnt noticed, crime is down in the past few years. sept. 11 2001 united our nation. we have very little cause to worry about 'our own kind'.

and how on earth do you connect republicans and freedom??? republican freedom.... i should put that in the oxymoron thread.

Maybe you're not worried but the patriot act being passed and other violations of our rights would dispute your statement.

[Theinfamousone]

The real problem with the economy will be when P2P starts dying, everyone will cancel their ISP, they won't buy that new computer with surround sound speakers and a huge monitor because all it's good for is typing now. So long Gateway and Dell and Compaq, all the other computer manufacturers that are sucking as it is, then they won't need to buy new software. Not to mention all the random manufacturers like Samsung and Kingston and HP and Intel and AMD, Western Digital...on and on and on will lose money...then all the companies that are making money off of CD and DVD media and CD and DVD burners are going to do worse. All of this means people will lose their job. The overall affect of people losing their ability to listen to music and watch movies on their computer will depress the people, remember, 60 million people download music in the US. P2P makes life worth living for a lot of people. All new artists will suffer because their music isn't being circulated so no one knows they exist. Everyone will hate the Big 5 record labels so no one will buy their CDs anyway. Not to mention the fact that the already skyrocketing unemployment rate will be even higher because people aren't buying all that stuff I listed up there, so people won't have any money to buy CDs anyway. Wow, can you say screwed up?


BTW Bush has about 15 months left in office, and honestly I don't see anything wrong with what he's done in the last 3 years, it's not his fault the economy is doing badly.

[notbob]

that was a great post

you have now become one of the 25%ers

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by notbob
how could it get much worse than it is?

guns don't stop bush/ashcroft's patriot act b.s. from infringing everyone's civil rights

guns don't stop corporate near-monopolies from suing people into the poorhouse

guns do kill a disproportionate number of poor and minority people that aren't invading anyone

The government has not reached such severe tyranny to the point where it can not be stopped without violence. Merely waking up and voting would change 75% of our problems. It still hasn't reached the point of no return of course we will be there shortly enough.

Firearm rights have nothing to do with corporations suing people and monopolies. it is supposed to be the job of the government to stop things like that. But thanks to the un informed people who do nothing but watch network news, they believe everything is okeydokey. And just accept thing the way they are.

As far as guns killing poor people, would you rather it be knives?
or perhaps baseball bats? Yeah, that will be better!.

And guns kill "Minorities" and "poor"; don't you think it has to do with the type of people? Or are you of the mindset that inanimate objects somehow cause people to go crazy and gun down innocent people?

Yeah, i feel so bad that gang members and drug dealers are killing each other, my heart just breaks for them.

Next time i get a speeding ticket, i will blame the auto manufactures, and petition the government for car control, and hopefully bankrupt the evil companies who's products kill more people every year then guns ever do.

Or how about a bumper sticker that says "My child was killed by a car" (instead of killed by a drunk driver) Because obviously, it is the objects fault, and the person doesn't have to take responsibility for what they do.

[Rickio]

Originally posted by THC
Thats because the civilians are armed Ricko. Are you saying if guns were banned , we could use sticks and mud to fight off invaders?


Democrats try to kill all firearm rights.

i didn't say anything about guns nor inferred it.

fact is no one could take over usa. like i said even small countries are capable of making life hell for invaders and i gave examples. what is going on in iraq now is guerilla warefare and it won't ever stop.

Americans are some of the most brainwashed patriotic people on earth, comparable to muslims in the strength of their beliefs. No one is taking over USA. Period.


peace

[Krell]

That was a good post Psilax, and Rickio too.

If anyone invades ur or otherwise dirupts my checking email and downloading stuff, I'm going to get medieval on their buttocks!

[notbob]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
The government has not reached such severe tyranny to the point where it can not be stopped without violence. Merely waking up and voting would change 75% of our problems. It still hasn't reached the point of no return of course we will be there shortly enough.

Firearm rights have nothing to do with corporations suing people and monopolies. it is supposed to be the job of the government to stop things like that. But thanks to the un informed people who do nothing but watch network news, they believe everything is okeydokey. And just accept thing the way they are.

in case you didn't notice, voting doesn't do a whole hell of a lot of good when 90% of politicians are corporate whores that will do anything for a buck

all they care about is making the big money happy so that they can run a good ad campaign and snow the general public

As far as guns killing poor people, would you rather it be knives?
or perhaps baseball bats? Yeah, that will be better!.

And guns kill "Minorities" and "poor"; don't you think it has to do with the type of people? Or are you of the mindset that inanimate objects somehow cause people to go crazy and gun down innocent people?

Yeah, i feel so bad that gang members and drug dealers are killing each other, my heart just breaks for them.

Next time i get a speeding ticket, i will blame the auto manufactures, and petition the government for car control, and hopefully bankrupt the evil companies who's products kill more people every year then guns ever do.

Or how about a bumper sticker that says "My child was killed by a car" (instead of killed by a drunk driver) Because obviously, it is the objects fault, and the person doesn't have to take responsibility for what they do.

i said nothing about gang members, but their bullets kill lots of non-gang members that are unlucky enough to get in the way

what good is a gun against the government? remember waco? or ruby ridge? the fbi invades your home with guns blazing, you shoot back in defense and all of a sudden you are the bad guy

do you seriously think a new american revolution would work? get real. the fbi would have the revolutionaries killed as soon as they drew their guns, or they'd be labeled as terrorists and sent to guantanamo

what legitimate use is there for a handgun other than killing somebody? i don't see a lot of deer hunters with s&w's or colts. there are lots of legitimate uses for cars other than killing people, so that argument of suing the car companies is utterly idiotic

[Krell]

in case you didn't notice, voting doesn't do a whole hell of a lot of good when 90% of politicians are corporate whores that will do anything for a buck

Notbob, are you suggesting that this fine country can be bought by lobbyists and special interest groups, and that our legislation is really enacted like some cheap "up for sale" bill auction?



all they care about is making the big money happy so that they can run a good ad campaign and snow the general public

Do you mean, the way groups like the RIAA snow them? Say its not so.

[notbob]

yep

you mean there's another way to see it?

[Psilaxs]

***in case you didn't notice, voting doesn't do a whole hell of a lot of good when 90% of politicians are corporate whores that will do anything for a buck***

No shit, thats why i said If people would stop watching network news, got their heads out of their asses and do SOMETHING
proactive.
If people would keep up on bills that they are attempting to pass,
contacted their representatives and said "nuh uh" do that and your out, things would be a hell of a lot better, but people have not a damned clue about what is going on.

***all they care about is making the big money happy so that they can run a good ad campaign and snow the general public***

Yes, and it is the general populations fault it is this way, the only thing people care about is making their credit card payments, mortgage, and where to go shopping on the weekend.

***i said nothing about gang members, but their bullets kill lots of non-gang members that are unlucky enough to get in the way.***

And that is the guns fault?? I guess in medieval/pre firearm days, we didn't have ANY problems with humans killing one another.

***what good is a gun against the government? remember waco? or ruby ridge? the fbi invades your home with guns blazing, you shoot back in defense and all of a sudden you are the bad guy.***

I agree with you here, the government was 100% at fault and out of line. But the people at waco and ruby ridge were slaughtered, they did not fire anything at the FBI.

***do you seriously think a new american revolution would work? get real. the fbi would have the revolutionaries killed as soon as they drew their guns, or they'd be labeled as terrorists and sent to guantanamo.***

Perhaps, but the really big problem with that is we out number them by such a large number, it would be rather hopeless for the F.B.I. And as someone else stated earlier in this thread, look at the absolute headache that guerilla warfare can play against an advarsary (that is most likely spelled wrong, but I simply could not find the correct spelling for it)


***what legitimate use is there for a handgun other than killing somebody? i don't see a lot of deer hunters with s&w's or colts. there are lots of legitimate uses for cars other than killing people, so that argument of suing the car companies is utterly idiotic***

It wasn't idiotic (your favorite word) it was to make a point which i was hoping you would understand. That it is, it is not an objects fault for actions that a THINKING human makes.

And their are a lot of uses for a handgun, shooting is a large and very popular sport. So is clay shooting, Oh, and i know plenty of hunters who use powerful pistols to hunt, ever see a scoped .357? But that is not the point, the point is, we have the right to defend ourselves. Are guns needed everywhere? No, but it never hurts incase some crackhead tries to carjack you or rape your wife etc.

Do you really believe that making firearms against the law would make the criminals think gee, I better not go "bust a cap in his ass, guns are illegal"

As far as i know, auto theft is illegal, rape is illegal, stealing is illegal, murder is illegal and so on and so forth. Criminal by definition is someone who breaks the law. What do people think? That this would be a magical law that criminals would somehow willingly follow?

So, to argue that restricting gun ownership would stop the maniacs from gunning down innocent people is utterly idiotic.

P.S Thanks Krell for the complement.

[tamarisk]

The object is also to blame.

Look at Ford - Firestone case.

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by tamarisk
The object is also to blame.

Look at Ford - Firestone case.

I seriously hope you are kidding.

I suppose their quality control, and the people in charge of said process had nothing to do with that ?

[notbob]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
I seriously hope you are kidding.

I suppose their quality control, and the people in charge of said process had nothing to do with that ?

or the fact that those particular "unraveling" issues only happened at speeds in excess of 85 miles an hour, and the speed limit in most places is much less than that

i think the people that drove their SUV's at more than 85 are more to blame than anyone else, and shouldn't have gotten a dime

personal responsibility--a truly endangered species in the USA

[Krell]

i think the people that drove their SUV's at more than 85 are more to blame than anyone else, and shouldn't have gotten a dime

personal responsibility--a truly endangered species in the USA


Or how about a bumper sticker that says "My child was killed by a car" (instead of killed by a drunk driver) Because obviously, it is the objects fault, and the person doesn't have to take responsibility for what they do.


How many ways can we say the same things?

[thewhitrbbit]

i'm a democrat.

Look at the streets and the news, look at how much gun violence is in amerca, yeah you have a right to own guns, no one is taking that way, but their are people who don't need guns and their are types of guns that no one needs (assult rifles etc). People need common sense gun control. Are gun locks that inconvientent, does it kill you those 5 days you have to wait to make sure your not a criminal. I personally don't think we need guns, I've been in Japan and guns are illegal their and it's alot nicer.

Bush has turned the whole world against us, even though countries like Japan supported the US and may send peace keeping troubles, the people hate the US. Hell, the English wanna kick Tony Blair out of office.

Bush also is dragging his foot on NK which is a real threat. North Korea, if they develop a missile delivery system, they are gonna be a real threat, much more than Saddam. We need to be harsh to the NK n put them in their place, blow up the Yogoban plant, i think the whole world would back action against the NK much more than Saddam.

[FutureIverson]

Saying they can';t blame it on the parents won't work. Look at school shootings, people didn't take I didn't know about it from the parents. Really consult with your parents about the risk.

[THC]

Originally posted by Rickio

Americans are some of the most brainwashed patriotic people on earth, comparable to muslims in the strength of their beliefs. No one is taking over USA. Period.


Muslims beliefs alone are useless. But they do have ak47's.... could praying to alla keep invaders out of thier land? LOL.

[THC]

This post is off on the polotical end, but i just wanted to comment on the original post...

I know if i couldnt download music, or games, or programs for free, i wouldnt pay the 59.99$ i pay each and every month for internet access.

None of my friends would pay for thier cable internet either without access to free music.

As someone mentioned in this thread, the internet providers would loose out bigtime, which would in return screw up the economy wether we realised it or not.


Some people are content wit hpart time distraction in a chatroom or something, or looking at porn, but its a far cry from being able to download a game, burn music to listen to in your car, or watch movies. Without that i wouldnt be willing to pay more than 5$ a month.

[Darth Vulcanus]

I am a full blown libertarian.

Government is Wayyyyyyy too big, and the politicians, both Republican and Democrat (mostly democrat) want to restrict your liberties and put you under their control. The reason their doing this is so they can turn us overn to the UN commies and have a socialist commie world government. We need way more liberties, just as defined by the Constitution of the Sovereign Republic of the United States of America. More privacy, more economic freedom. Hell, if some Joe-90 wants to download an mp3 tune, it's none of my god damn business. Long live freedom.

[FileHoover]

Originally posted by Darth Vulcanus
I am a full blown libertarian.

Government is Wayyyyyyy too big, and the politicians, both Republican and Democrat (mostly democrat) want to restrict your liberties and put you under their control. The reason their doing this is so they can turn us overn to the UN commies and have a socialist commie world government. We need way more liberties, just as defined by the Constitution of the Sovereign Republic of the United States of America. More privacy, more economic freedom. Hell, if some Joe-90 wants to download an mp3 tune, it's none of my god damn business. Long live freedom. Bang on brother.

[REDO]

I sure as hell love this country, but some of the things that have been going on lately; make me think differently about it. I think all politicians do not care about their constituents; instead, they are motiviated by corporate greed and big money.

The RIAA says "we wont give you a big donation for your re-election if you dont support us."

What BS. This country was built upon the power of the people, not the power of corporate America.

[ROMANTICGUY50]

Originally posted by Darth Vulcanus
I am a full blown libertarian.

Government is Wayyyyyyy too big, and the politicians, both Republican and Democrat (mostly democrat) want to restrict your liberties and put you under their control. The reason their doing this is so they can turn us overn to the UN commies and have a socialist commie world government. We need way more liberties, just as defined by the Constitution of the Sovereign Republic of the United States of America. More privacy, more economic freedom. Hell, if some Joe-90 wants to download an mp3 tune, it's none of my god damn business. Long live freedom.
DAMN ASS RIGHT-I am tired of this government telling us what to do. I didn't like Bush and I didn't like Gore. I support filesharing 100%.
:devil DOWN WITH THE RIAA & MPAA:devil

[THC]

I agree with these last posts. Both Democrats & Republicans are driven by the millions in special interest money.

I usually fall on the republican side, because i think the scariest thing in the world is a unarmed nation which CANT rise up against thier own government if they wish to.

The govt is getting big, but as long as each employed part of the govt provides something, then it has its porpouse. We can just cut the government in half. Because if we did, hell would break loose, and we would loose benefits left and right. A government is a huge & complex thing. Almost anythign anyone can name has benefited from our orginised govt.

After all that, i have to admit i feel that many of our laws are corrupt & that many of the poloticians really dont believe in a damn thing other than money and how to win it from big business.