Keep Sharing...Let Them Try and Sue 60 million people.

[j72883]

Seriously, there is strength in numbers, and if they keep suing, eventually someone would see the wrong in what they are doing. Hopefully their headquarters will be supernaturallu destroyed. May God send a lightning bolt and burst the RIAA building into a flaming wreck.

[hawkburn]

Originally posted by j72883
Seriously, there is strength in numbers, and if they keep suing, eventually someone would see the wrong in what they are doing. Hopefully their headquarters will be supernaturallu destroyed. May God send a lightning bolt and burst the RIAA building into a flaming wreck.

Well by the time that EVENTUALLY happens, many many hundreds if not thousands of people will be poor, another reason to blame Bush for the economy! Yippe! And this has been said before.

[Wolfie]

Hopefully their headquarters will be supernaturallu destroyed. May God send a lightning bolt and burst the RIAA building into a flaming wreck.

What next, gypsy curses and vodoo dolls of Carey Sherman???

BTW, do you honestly think RIAA owns only "specfic" building as a headquaters?

We had some good ones in last few weeks, but this one takes prize alright!

[THC]

Everyone is acting all scared over the RIAA, but truthfully, how many people have been sued so far. How many lawyers do they have to handle the potental 60 million cases. And how many judges are even willing to be bothered with a case like this.



Everyoen should keep sharing, if not sharing more. If your so damn scared of sharing, upload mp3's to yahoo briefcases to share, and go to the store & pay 15$ to buy.


Hopefully the RIAA will not succeed as much as the ywant and they will get the hell off the internet huntining for file sharers, & back in yahoo chatrooms where they can narc out people for using "foul" language.

[ROMANTICGUY50]

Originally posted by hawkburn
Well by the time that EVENTUALLY happens, many many hundreds if not thousands of people will be poor, another reason to blame Bush for the economy! Yippe! And this has been said before.
Damn it I agree with this quote and the one the one that he quoted. Bush has fucked up the economy. I sometimes feel like saying to Bush. your brother stole the election.for you. I am also against the Digital act I think it's called DMCA. Correct me if I have it backwords. The think the the patriot act has done major harm and taken power away from us the people of the United States.
It's time we claim our right's and freedom back. I support filesharing 100%. It should be legal. The RIAA & MPAA have bought our legislators as far as I am concerned. IT IS TIME FOR A CHANGE-LET FREEDOM RING- KEEP ON FILE SHARING

[isus]

you know, they could do it.

except...

just bc 60 million people use p2p doesnt mean 60 million people share.

*cough*supremebeing*cough*

just kidding

[PowerMan57two]

Well I don't think their planning on sueing all 60million. The idea of the scheme is to sue people who share a lot, and then it will be all over the news and newspapers, and that should frighten a few million to stop downloading and sharing and hopefully p2p will die just like that.


The RIAA must be kidding themselves, it's never going to work! Their waisting their money on normal people.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Originally posted by isus
you know, they could do it.

except...

just bc 60 million people use p2p doesnt mean 60 million people share.

*cough*supremebeing*cough*

just kidding

Exactly..but its not going to happen

See the thing is, they will sue a couple people and riots will break out..protest will happen just like the on on August 2nd..and RIAA is doomed to stop

[phoebepuar]

I totally agree. I've heard of a bunch of people coming together to sue a single entity as in a class action lawsuit, but I've never heard of a single entity suing a bunch of people (read "bunch" as well over a million)! This is just another tactic to scare people into doing what the RIAA want. Don't believe it & keep sharing!

[Brycen257]

There already seems to be a groundswell of anger against the RIAA because of their latest tactics in serving subpoenas on hundreds of people and I expect that will continue to grow and increase as long as the RIAA maintains its persecution of P2P users. Most people agree they have stepped way over the line now and will fight back any way they can. One way to fight back is to continue file sharing and let that be our way of saying
" Fuck the RIAA" . Another way is to contact government agencies and file complaints against the RIAA for price-fixing, actions to restrict competition and other actions that are clearly against the best interests of the ordinary man on the street .

A class action lawsuit against the RIAA may also be a viable option . All that would be needed is someone willing to take up the challenge and sign people up. There is strength in numbers and this has been demonstrated before . Show the RIAA that we won't be intimidated by them.

[Jelsoft]

Originally posted by PowerMan57two
Well I don't think their planning on sueing all 60million. The idea of the scheme is to sue people who share a lot, and then it will be all over the news and newspapers, and that should frighten a few million to stop downloading and sharing and hopefully p2p will die just like that.


Really?

RIAA Accelerates Subpoenas; Now 300 Per Week (http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/07232003d.php)

From the looks it the RIAA is trying to sue every file trader in America.

I guess they think they are gods.

[que-em]

I'm optimistic that if they nail all of us then that's a couple million strong. Just imagine all the millions in front of the courthouse with the media there.

[FileHoover]

Originally posted by PowerMan57two
Well I don't think their planning on sueing all 60million. The idea of the scheme is to sue people who share a lot, and then it will be all over the news and newspapers, and that should frighten a few million to stop downloading and sharing and hopefully p2p will die just like that.


The RIAA must be kidding themselves, it's never going to work! Their waisting their money on normal people.
This is just my opinion from legal experience I have had and what I would do if I were in the RIAAs position (think like the enemy).

They won't just sue people sharing a lot. Their effort is to scare everyone. They don't want you thinking that if you only share a "little", you are safe. Kazaa is one of the easiest networks for attackers to identify users but I'm sure they will start on all the others as soon as they can.

The only things I can see stopping them from this strategy are

1) Too expensive. The costs of sueing outweigh the settlements they can get

2) Public outcry which results in boycott of RIAA artists products.

3) Outside US people being immune.

If they can make US $10,000 out-of-court settlements off a cookie cutter style lawsuit that doesn't cost them much, they quite easily CAN continue this method unless the United States courts overload. However, if people choose to settle out of court, they might be able to do this forever. All it costs them is the staff lawyers' salaries (who are on fixed salary usually) and the costs to mail the subpoena and the subsequent filing of the lawsuit. This approach will be QUITE profitable I think since it will be the parents who will be paying, and not little johnny@Kazaa. The lawsuit itself is just a boilerplate document they fill in with the specifics of the person being sued.

I don't think enough people give a crap to boycott. If people are so addicted to music that they will risk a lawsuit by downloading a song they like, I don't think they will be able to NOT buy it.

I don't know what they can do about outside the United States people. It is much more difficult for them, however, if all the United States sharing is shutdown, the networks themselves will be leech ridden and probably a lot more frustrating to use.

Another approach they might take is, if an ISP goofs and does not shut someone down, they will sue the ISP. Once one ISP is sued and has to pay millions, other ISPs will be quick to disconnect users if a copyright holder complains. This is how they could really wipe out P2P very quickly on p2p networks where users' ip addresses can be identified.

[hrbib21]

Those of you that blame President Bush for the state of the economy are sadly mistaken. The economy was in a recession when Bill Clinton left office. The reason for that was his overspending (on everything BUT the military) during his 8 wasted years in office. And, let's not forget the money we had to spend investigating Bill and Hillary's legal improprieties (remember, he lied under oath) . Not to mention Sept. 11 having a huge impact on our economy which, we're finding out now could've been avoided had Bill Clinton acted on the intelligence that he had at the time. GW has NO control over that.

So, to blame GW for the ills of our economy is, well, uninformed. The fault lies with Bill Clinton and his merry band of liberals.

[FrozenShadow23]

Hows about we stop blaming presidents and shit for our economy? We ALWAYS have some recessions, it's a damn cycle! Learn your history ignorant idiots. And about the thread, I have possibly seen 60 copies of this thread with next to the same thing said in all of them. -me mocking in a whiny voice- "We have so many, how could we ALL get sued?" Jesus, i've heard enough. I agree with you, hell, I agree with all the rest of the other posters too.

[hrbib21]

I agree with the above to a point. The only reason we have to place blame is because liberals try to find fault in everything our current president does. If they could just accept the truth and move on, the world would be a better place.

Of course, saying Learn your history ignorant idiots about people you have no clue about only makes you look like an idiot yourself, doesn't it?

[Theinfamousone]

Honestly, the President doesn't even have much control over the economy anyway. He has as much or less than Congress, but mostly it's a free enterprise system, so it's no one's fault but greedy unethical selfish corporations.

If someone can name one thing George Bush has done to P2P or the economy, I'll give you a bouncing frog.

[Theinfamousone]

Originally posted by FileHoover
This is just my opinion from legal experience I have had and what I would do if I were in the RIAAs position (think like the enemy).

They won't just sue people sharing a lot. Their effort is to scare everyone. They don't want you thinking that if you only share a "little", you are safe. Kazaa is one of the easiest networks for attackers to identify users but I'm sure they will start on all the others as soon as they can.

The only things I can see stopping them from this strategy are

1) Too expensive. The costs of sueing outweigh the settlements they can get

2) Public outcry which results in boycott of RIAA artists products.

3) Outside US people being immune.

If they can make US $10,000 out-of-court settlements off a cookie cutter style lawsuit that doesn't cost them much, they quite easily CAN continue this method unless the United States courts overload. However, if people choose to settle out of court, they might be able to do this forever. All it costs them is the staff lawyers' salaries (who are on fixed salary usually) and the costs to mail the subpoena and the subsequent filing of the lawsuit. This approach will be QUITE profitable I think since it will be the parents who will be paying, and not little johnny@Kazaa. The lawsuit itself is just a boilerplate document they fill in with the specifics of the person being sued.

I don't think enough people give a crap to boycott. If people are so addicted to music that they will risk a lawsuit by downloading a song they like, I don't think they will be able to NOT buy it.

I don't know what they can do about outside the United States people. It is much more difficult for them, however, if all the United States sharing is shutdown, the networks themselves will be leech ridden and probably a lot more frustrating to use.

Another approach they might take is, if an ISP goofs and does not shut someone down, they will sue the ISP. Once one ISP is sued and has to pay millions, other ISPs will be quick to disconnect users if a copyright holder complains. This is how they could really wipe out P2P very quickly on p2p networks where users' ip addresses can be identified.

You're very very right Filehoover. Hopefully freenet can save the day, or P2P will die much more easily than anyone expects. It'll be a chain reaction, with the ball already rolling, the lawsuits of thousands of people we're already at a 1000 with 300 more every week. Then everyone will uncheck sharing, and think they just saved the world. Then when about 20% of people are sharing anymore, the RIAA can pick off the top 1% easily who will probably supply 90% of the downloads like how gnutella used to be.

Urrrg, I have a friend who thinks he can get viruses by sharing files....wow, I really need to set him straight....anyways...

Then networks will become so queued up that file sharing will come to almost a complete hault. With the scared ISPs shutting down everyone sharing immediatley upon the word of the RIAA, things will quickly fall apart. The fact that the RIAA is making tons of money off people settling and lawsuits which will help them accelerate their cause doesn't help matters. Already Kazaa has lost about 20% of it's users, and probably 50% of the people sharing. Also, Peerguardian blocks millions of IP addresses now, so all those people who are old granny's in San Francisco are being blocked.

[Caitlyn Marble]

Originally posted by j72883
Seriously, there is strength in numbers, and if they keep suing, eventually someone would see the wrong in what they are doing. Hopefully their headquarters will be supernaturallu destroyed. May God send a lightning bolt and burst the RIAA building into a flaming wreck.

The last sentence sounds like pat roberstons prayer offensive.:bk

But seriously, I'm doing my part. I have no respect for leechers, so there ain't no way I'm going to stop sharing. I've got 28 gigs in my shared folders, free for all provided they give back to the community too.

I'm not on the fasttrack network, obviously...

[FrozenShadow23]

Some liberals try to find fault, some do not, just as some Republicans try to explain and justify EVERYTHING the government and Bush does, when not all of it is justifyable.

I seriously do hope that Freenet swoops in to the rescue like a comic book hero, but if that's what they are trying to do, they are takin their sweet time. I don't know about you, but i've had nothing but SLOW experiences with freenet. Either way, it WILL be a last resort fall back for me and millions of others. "Survival of the fittest." RIAA will weed through the week and ensure that the strong are stronger, things will probably fall into their proper place, they usually do.

Bravo Infamousone, thank you for the president statement.
A bouncing frog or two for you: :fire :fire

[FutureIverson]

How confident are you we can win, i heard a guy say he saw the cops issue a guy a suponea in a government low income house, all he had was a computer, and a rug. Who's next Welfare single mother who's 14 yr old daughter from a previous marriage get's her sued.

[Theinfamousone]

That's an unsubstatiated rumor (I was the one you heard that from) but I am just pointing out that there is a chance he was being issued a subpoena for sharing eminem when there's no way he would be buying CDs anyway.

[Jose Luis Ferrero]

I do not see the government trying to catch spammers, or trying to catch people from Nigeria looking for a fool to fall, or false claims of all sorts.
Filesharing is just a response of common people that refuse to make even richer those fast growin multibillionaries in music industry.
When they started selling old music in new formats, they sold it as if it was new music hot from the presses, and nobody complained.

Ferrero

[Cydor]

They gone have to get me out of my house and take my computer way from me, because i will not stop sharing my files

Even if they sued me, so what? they wont get a sent from me!

Stop been scared from them people

[FutureIverson]

it's nice your so confident, but saying f#!#& the RIAA won't shut them down.

[Skinny Pimp]

Originally posted by Cydor
Even if they sued me, so what? they wont get a sent from me!

Stop been scared from them people

I can't help but laught at people who say this. IF you don't have the money they will either

a) take personal belongings

and i'm not 100% sure, but have heard it brought up

b) send you to jail

There are too many lazy people that won't even write to congressman, RIAA will do this for years. I can see it. Until RIAA goes after the wrong person (a wacko) who starts shooting at the RIAA offices (which I hope not to happen, i'd rather pay for my music then see a bunch of people die) because he got sued.

Like I say, too many lazy folks who are afraid to take a stand. When in reality you can't get in trouble for making a stand....peacefully of course.

So get used to it. I've not touched Kazaa because of this and the fact there is nothing new out I want to listen to. But if I find something, i'll take my chances and hope I don't get caught.

[FileHoover]

Originally posted by Cydor
They gone have to get me out of my house and take my computer way from me, because i will not stop sharing my files

Even if they sued me, so what? they wont get a sent from me!

Stop been scared from them people
If you get a judgement against you they will garnish your paycheck for the rest of your life, or you can declare banruptcy and be fucked for the next 7 years.

[FileHoover]

Originally posted by Cydor
They gone have to get me out of my house and take my computer way from me, because i will not stop sharing my files

Even if they sued me, so what? they wont get a sent from me!

Stop been scared from them people
If you get a judgement against you they will take the money from mommy and daddy, or garnish your paycheck for the rest of your life, or you can declare bankruptcy and be fucked for the next 7 years.

[beardedwonder]

:( bye bye p2p!

[FileHoover]

Downloader Dragnet

The industry issues hundreds of subpoenas seeking the names of music pirates. Is yours among them?

By CHRIS TAYLOR

Monday, Aug. 04, 2003

Bob Barnes never dreamed that the long arm of the music industry would reach into his personal computer. Sure, the bus operator from Fresno, Calif., had used Napster to grab music files off the Internet. And when that file-swapping service was put out of business, he switched to its most popular successor, Kazaa. But he was careful not to leave a trace, transferring all his downloaded songs to separate discs. A visiting teenage grandson wasn't so careful, however, and last week Barnes, 50, was slapped with a subpoena from the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). It alleged that he had posted online ¡X for the world to steal ¡X digital copies of songs by Savage Garden, Marvin Gaye and the Eagles. "This is like shock and awe," says Barnes. "Blitz them until they submit."

Barnes may be a pirate, but he has plenty of company. An estimated 60 million Americans, more than the number of Bush voters in 2000, are using file-sharing networks on the Internet. Until last week it seemed like a safely anonymous pursuit. But then RIAA started subpoenaing colleges and Internet-service providers (ISPs) for the names and addresses of more than 950 computer owners ¡X some of whom, like Barnes, were trafficking in stolen music without knowing it.

Trouble is, a lot of music downloaders don't realize that they are also distributors. On Kazaa, for example, the tunes you store in the designated download folder are automatically broadcast back to other users. Unless you turn off sharing or move the music to a different place on your hard drive, anybody can reach into your computer and take a copy (as long as you are online and running Kazaa). ...

Rest of the article at:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030804-471178,00.html

[Skinny Pimp]

Originally posted by FileHoover
Downloader Dragnet


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030804-471178,00.html

That sucks.

I'm sorry, but I have too much to look to in life. Say what you may but I will only download when I feel the need and when I am at my mom's house using DSL. Then I use IRC.

But if it comes down to it, i'll grow up and buy a damn CD. I don't see this dying anytime soon. And like I said, too many people are scared s**tless to actually do something about it. I've written to about 30 congress[wom]men and have gotten 1 personal reply back. I don't see anything that will stop the RIAA.

[jonnymnemonic]

Hardly. The recession has a lot of underlying causes, but you have to wonder about a government that sees debt piling up and instead of tightening the belt goes on a credit spending spree to give mamoth tax breaks out to the wealthier members of society. That's Bush and his cronies doing that. Am I glad to have some tax breaks? Sure, but... that vastly increases the deficit, which ultimately hurts us. Oh, we may not feel the real pain of all these tax breaks for five years, or ten, but when these mongo deficits hit, it's going to be ANOTHER recession, or worse.

When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on the support of Paul. In this case, Paul us primarily the wealthy people of today, and Peter is *everyone* in the future. It's not a good trade.

Incidentally, the deficit was pretty much GONE when Clinton left office, and the debt was dropping each year. Suddenly Bush wins the election and two years later the deficit is at record levels (beyond even the damage Reagan did), and getting WORSE every year. So not only can you blame Clinton, you can't even blame the Democrats at all, because there can be no filibustering when Republicans control BOTH houses. The economy IS going down the toilet and the only ones that CAN be blamed for it are the Republicans, since they're calling the shots.

Too bad I'm not rich. At least then, I'd be happy with the tax breaks (at least in the short term). Alas, I am not rich, merely middle class, and we'll be taking it up the ass for a decade or more to recover from the pitiful economic mismanagement we've been enduring the last two years.

[IsHaRe2000FilezSueMe]

Lol so true, so true. You want to hear a joke that relates to our economy. Ok a boy asks his dad whats politics. And the father reply, Your mother is the gov since she gives out the money, im capitalism since i make the money, your nanny is the working class, your little brother is the future, and your the people because you recive money from the gov. So thinking this that nite, his little brother shits his pants. So he goes into his moms room, but shes sound asleep. He looks through a keyhole into his nannys room. And he sees the nanny and his dad in bed.
So the next morning the boy tells his dad that he understand politics. And he says "While capitalism is screwing the working class, the gov is sound asleep, and the people watch the future get shitted on.

Lol iight im out

[beenya]

Let's just say that I'm a Republican from the mighty location of Compton, Ca. With that said, it hurts my heart to see senators whore for special interest. Orin Hatch comes to mind, an idiot who has no idea of what kind of slippery slope he has prescribed to combat file sharing. Well according to the RIAA and our faithful Utah Senator, ANY sharing of copyrighted music is illegal and should be judged accordingly. Well if that was the case, then borrowing a CD, record, or tape from the local library should also fall under their DCMA rule book of criminal activity. Hell why stop there? If I "borrow" a book from the library is that not "sharing" copyrighted works? Are we paying the author everytime we rent a book? Are electronic books different from their paper brethern? Man we are headed for some ominous times, where companies dictact laws. And I thought our Alphabet agencies were unconstitutional. Boy was I wrong.

[FutureIverson]

its a civil suit, they won't send you to jail.

[Skinny Pimp]

Originally posted by FutureIverson
its a civil suit, they won't send you to jail.
Oh alright.

Well...then what do they do to people that are broke.

Other then go to the parents. I know some parents won't even have as much as the RIAA wants. Not every parent makes $100,000 a year and can say "Oh, i'll pay that lovely RIAA fine for ya's"

[FutureIverson]

Well that's why i was thinking sharers should allow 15 year old kids who don't share to download their stuff, i mean they can't fight the lawsuit it goes right to their parents. Then again everyone would go around saying im 15. plz let me download. Just another excuse for leeches. Every suit has been settle so im not sure about jail time actually. I doubt it.

Edit: if you don't have the money, they try and take things in your name... cars, homes, etc. then i guess you declare for bankruptcy.I'm a minor so im not sure so in my case, they'd charge my parents

[Theinfamousone]

Hey guys, the suit automatically goes to whoever pays for the ISP bill. That's it. If you're a 16 year old, your parents get the bill.

[Theinfamousone]

Originally posted by jonnymnemonic
Incidentally, the deficit was pretty much GONE when Clinton left office, and the debt was dropping each year.

LOL Umm, the National Debt I assume is what you mean. It's been adding up for the last 10 years mainly. I remember when I was in 6th grade, my teacher told me that it was 4 trillion and rising FAST, that was when Clinton had been in office for 4 years already. I think it's at 6.7 trillion now.

[Malakai1911]

Infamousone, he meant defecit. See picture #1...

http://www.awolbush.com/images/deficits.jpg
http://www.awolbush.com/images/djia.jpg
http://www.awolbush.com/images/unemploy.jpg