RIAA files 871 subpoenas against traders!

[Jelsoft]

The lawsuits have started!

Music industry wins approval of 871 subpoenas against Internet users (http://www.boston.com/dailynews/199/wash/Music_industry_wins_approval_o:.shtml)

[simian]

*Yawn*

I download and share gigs of music every day. Wheres' MY Subpoena?? I kinda feel neglected. :(

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Omg!

Kazaa noobs who are sharing audio songs and leaving their kazaa's open 24/7 are screwed..and getting caught

[thongsai]

wat do u mean yawn? this is serious.. its only the beginning..

[johnsmatrix]

Oh this can't be good. I wonder what other fun things there going to find on these computers. Software, games, etc.. this will cause some trouble..I also see that these 871 people won't be able to afford Cd's anytime soon.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Originally posted by johnsmatrix
Oh this can't be good. I wonder what other fun things there going to find on these computers. Software, games, etc.. this will cause some trouble..I also see that these 871 people won't be able to afford Cd's anytime soon.

Umm..I'm sorry to disappoint you but the RIAA is after AUDIO ONLY

They couldn't give a rat's ass about movies, games, and software

They want people sharing audio files..lots of albums, hits..etc.

As long as you dont share a lot of audio files..or maybe none...its not a problem

[Jelsoft]

Originally posted by Evil_Dweller_01
They want people sharing audio files..lots of albums, hits..etc.

As long as you dont share a lot of audio files..or maybe none...its not a problem

I hope you realize that if people stop sharing P2P will die.

[tlogank]

Originally posted by Evil_Dweller_01
As long as you dont share a lot of audio files..or maybe none...its not a problem

Did you read the article? They are going after people that shared as few as 5 files. I think that makes your comment about the amount of shared files false.

This is so ridiculous, they are going to be suing someone's Grandparents that have no idea that they are doing anything illegal. Anyway, I think these idiots in the RIAA are just makign it so much worse on theirselves.

At one point, I was sympathizing with them, but now they are just screwed. I mean seriously, what are they going to accomplish other than encouraging all these P2P companies to better cloak their users. Sue the people in order to get them to buy CD's. What a great business model they have!

[TC75580]

too bad I only share independent and live music, all of which is much better than that Ashanti bullshit being released anyway.

but I download that as well! too bad the pigs don't have proof that I have.

"known online by nicknames such as ''fox3j,'' ''soccerdog33,'' ''clover77'' or ''indepunk74.'' "

lol. from that, it's obvious they were only scanning fasttrack.

I just bought a Zappa CD today. Distributed by Rykodisc, an independent label. I'll never buy a major label distributed record until this subsides. Until they understand and accept the concept of an "honor system". Which is what we're pushing and fighting for, after all.

[ROMANTICGUY50]

Originally posted by Jelsoft
I hope you realize that if people stop sharing P2P will die. Personally I have No plan to stop filesharing in the near future. I have nothing but total hatred for the RIAA & MPAA.
They are nothing but a bunch of assholes.I will use programs that encrypt my IP address. I don't think that it is possible to destroy filesharing. There is an estimated 56million filesharers in the US alone plus millions around the world.. It is unstopable
PEACE TO ALL.
:devil DEATH TO THE RIAA & MPAA:devil

[Kevin06906]

Hey! anon39023 in that article. i have talked to this person before, yeah this person called me a stupid guinea and a wop since im italian. Damn bastard.

I was going through the article and was praying that my username wasn't there.

[isus]

871? good for them.

looks like somebody is getting a little strapped for cash. think about it... there was a guy awhile back, from www.chewplastic.com who had to give up $12000, his entire life savings, to the riaa.

now imagine 1000 people turning over at least $5000...

but, unfortunately for the riaa, they will just fail. they haven't stamped out p2p yet. why should i think they ever will?

people move on to better technology.

and also consider, that of 4 million people on kazaa, less than 1000 were actually subpoena'd.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Originally posted by Jelsoft
I hope you realize that if people stop sharing P2P will die.

Calm down...what do you think I'm a leech or something?
It's like I get jumped on as soon as I make a comment which I did not fully explain...

I just made a comment about people sharing limited files and how they have a better chance of surviving then those sharing tons of audio files

Personally, I dont care..I share all my files on every p2p program I use..and thats worth about 12 gigs..growing daily

Of course they have the ability of suing people sharing as little as 5 audio files..but its a RARE possibility..their prime targets are people sharing tons of audio files worth tens of gigs of hard drvie space...

[Spencer45317]

http://www.curlio.com/new_showarticle.php?id=4633&page=last

I just finished reading articles on the web regarding the Recording Industry Association of America [RIAA] and law suits they are filing against individuals using peer-to-peer software to share music files over the internet. I represent Dust Traxx, Inc. We manage 27 active House and Techno labels worldwide with a roster of 175 artists globally. In 2002, we were the world’s largest producer, manufacturer, and distributor of House music with 390,000 pieces of vinyl sold.



Something that is gets failed to mention in articles is that the RIAA only represents a small handful of large record companies. They are not a large “industry” watchdog group or cartel open to the recording industry to join. Here is a list of members: http://www.riaa.com/about/members/default.asp You will note that 2/3 of the smaller named labels are actually owned by the larger companies such as Sony making the list itself deceptive in nature. Their claim to members producing 90% of the recording industry market on their webpage is also false.



Besides the fact that the RIAA is deceptive in its claim to represent the recording industry, they are filing suite against people trading songs through peer-to-peer software without real cause to be filing the suite. Take a look at the songs they are claiming in their suites are being traded illegally. Some of these songs are NOT owned or licensed by RIAA members making the RIAA claim to copyright infringement invalid.



As one of the largest dance music companies in the world, I can tell you that we are NOT opposed to peer-to-peer trading of music. We feel that the dinosaurs in the industry need to catch up with technology and consumer demands instead of trying to stomp on the consumers it wants to buy its music. Despite the claims to quality of a peer-to-peer shared song, it is NOT as high quality as a piece of vinyl or commercially manufactured CD. We believe that those sharing songs are mainly young teenagers who once they have consumable money to spend will go out and purchase music as adults.



As a record label group, we are opposed to the actions of the RIAA in suing individuals, and we are not afraid to speak accordingly. I have personally spoken to at least 20 other companies such as mine around the U.S. since the RIAA took steps to file suites against individual file traders, and I can tell you that the INDUSTRY as a whole is AGAINST these lawsuits by the RIAA. This is going to backfire on the INDUSTRY not help it.



Best Wishes,

Chuck Paugh





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[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Jelsoft
I hope you realize that if people stop sharing P2P will die.

Says who? P2P will survive. Will there be anymore napsters or even kazaa's as the content industry has offically fired the first shot in the War on Consumers. Who knows.

Doesnt mean that people just wont say f--- them and share other files which they are in the public domain or from independent publishers. Then people will just say let the content companies have all the content protection they want because they can take that cd, and shove it if they think there going to get one dollar from me ever again. Which i hope what happens.

[thewhitrbbit]

i'm stopping for a while. I dont' have the money to deal w/. this or the time to deal with a lawsuit.

I"m boycotting music.


go ahead and call me a chicken, laugh, but i don't have the money to buy a lawyer, do all that shit.

[FileHoover]

The United States is not the whole world.

There are plenty of people outside the US who will continue to share English/American titles anyway.

[TC75580]

Originally posted by thewhitrbbit
i'm stopping for a while. I dont' have the money to deal w/. this or the time to deal with a lawsuit.

I"m boycotting music.


go ahead and call me a chicken, laugh, but i don't have the money to buy a lawyer, do all that shit.
looks like you don't have a brain either.

you won't get sued for downloading anything, it's the uploading where you will get caught... all you have to do to prevent any subpoenas being filed against you is NOT share any major label music. Share all the independent music you want.

It's that simple.

[witmann]

There were no subpoenas on file sent to AOL Time Warner Inc., the nation's largest Internet provider and also parent company of Warner Music Group. Earthlink Inc., another of the largest Internet providers, said it has received only three new subpoenas.

I really don't get that part.... why would they only send subpoenas to certain ISPs???
any kind of behind back or offficial agreement here?

[Lucian]

Its war.

Pay the EFF now, or pay the RIAA later.
https://secure.eff.org/

By the way, you can now subscribe to freenet. $5 per month. http://freenetproject.org/

This is a war people, if you want to win this war you have to fight with your wallet not just with words.

Anyone here who has a job, or who has $5 to spare each month, make your decision now, do you want to stand and fight the war or stop using P2P?

[MusikBeatz23]

Originally posted by Evil_Dweller_01
Omg!

Kazaa noobs who are sharing audio songs and leaving their kazaa's open 24/7 are screwed..and getting caught OMG that would be me (except the noob part)... LMAO... I'm screwed for shure I also have BitTorrent, eMule, Shareaza, Ares, and iMesh running sometimes DC...

[TC75580]

Originally posted by witmann
I really don't get that part.... why would they only send subpoenas to certain ISPs???
any kind of behind back or offficial agreement here?
that certaintly is sketchy. I hope everyone who reads the article doesn't skim over that part...

:shoot (RIAA)

[FreakinWeasel]

Originally posted by TC75580
I just bought a Zappa CD today. Distributed by Rykodisc, an independent label. I'll never buy a major label distributed record until this subsides. Until they understand and accept the concept of an "honor system". Which is what we're pushing and fighting for, after all.

Bummer TC, I see Rykodisc on the list of RIAA members that Chuck was so kind to link to. You bought RIAA tainted goods homes.

Chuck , so from your unique perspective what does your sector want to see come out of P2P? Can you get these other labels to band together and join the EFF Let The Music Play Campaignhttp://www.eff.org/share/ in fighting these "dinsoaurs"? I think, the thing we lack most is one cohesive effort to fight against this tyranny. The EFF has posted a small selection of artists but they need numbers like the RIAA has posted to really get noticed. So just curious what you think is the right approach.

[Greylin]

Oh no I will not be able to upload music from favorite artists anymore:


Many of the subpoenas reviewed by the AP identified songs from the same few artists, including Avril Lavigne, Snoop Dogg and Michael Jackson

Also it's a good thing most filesharers do not have the extensive collection that would warrant notice from the RIAA. I'm astonished at how many files this terrorist supporting file sharing scumbag was caught with:


the RIAA asked Depaul on July 2 to track down a user known as ''anon39023'' who was allegedly offering at least eight songs


Kinda makes you wonder why CD's cost so much. The RIAA allocates funding like the military does.

[jonny5]

you won't get sued for downloading anything, it's the uploading where you will get caught
Actually, downloading songs illegally is also copywrite infringment. Though the RIAA say they aren't going after people who just download.

--
So they've sent out 871 subpoenas? So out of around 4million kazaa users that's roughly .02% of them. wooo I'm sure everyone's worried now. In fact, maybe this will cause people to buy CD's, and I'll see more than 1 person in Sam Goody when i walk by the store. Wait no.. Sam Goody is no longer in the mall that i go to. Have no idea why they aren't there.

[Lucian]

All it will do is backfire and cause people to fund the EFF and Freenet, then there will be nothing the RIAA can do.

[begoodbebad]

''fox3j,'' ''soccerdog33,'' ''clover77'' or ''indepunk74.''
''anon39023'' ''TheLastReal7'' ''Prtythug23

If I was any of these people I would right now be travelling rapidly from the laundry towards the underwear shop.

But before we are too sympathetic with these fellow sharers please stop for a minute and remember that they were sharing "Avril Lavigne, Snoop Dogg and Michael Jackson "

This truly was a crime.

[Crazy Horse]

Originally posted by Spencer45317

Something that is gets failed to mention in articles is that the RIAA only represents a small handful of large record companies. They are not a large “industry” watchdog group or cartel open to the recording industry to join. Here is a list of members: http://www.riaa.com/about/members/default.asp You will note that 2/3 of the smaller named labels are actually owned by the larger companies such as Sony making the list itself deceptive in nature. Their claim to members producing 90% of the recording industry market on their webpage is also false.
Besides the fact that the RIAA is deceptive in its claim to represent the recording industry, they are filing suite against people trading songs through peer-to-peer software without real cause to be filing the suite. Take a look at the songs they are claiming in their suites are being traded illegally. Some of these songs are NOT owned or licensed by RIAA members making the RIAA claim to copyright infringement invalid.
As one of the largest dance music companies in the world, I can tell you that we are NOT opposed to peer-to-peer trading of music. We feel that the dinosaurs in the industry need to catch up with technology and consumer demands instead of trying to stomp on the consumers it wants to buy its music. Despite the claims to quality of a peer-to-peer shared song, it is NOT as high quality as a piece of vinyl or commercially manufactured CD. We believe that those sharing songs are mainly young teenagers who once they have consumable money to spend will go out and purchase music as adults.
As a record label group, we are opposed to the actions of the RIAA in suing individuals, and we are not afraid to speak accordingly. I have personally spoken to at least 20 other companies such as mine around the U.S. since the RIAA took steps to file suites against individual file traders, and I can tell you that the INDUSTRY as a whole is AGAINST these lawsuits by the RIAA. This is going to backfire on the INDUSTRY not help it.



Best Wishes,

Chuck Paugh



You make a lot of good points but I think your last sentence had the most foresight and intuition.

A good post...thank you for your opinion & your feelings or take on this.

Like it has been said this is only a ripple in the water. They will only succeed in further burying themselves. The technology is being developed as we speak and it's only gonna get better for us - not them. They WILL follow the dinosaur and become extinct if they do not change to meet OUR needs - not theirs.

[TC75580]

Originally posted by FreakinWeasel
Bummer TC, I see Rykodisc on the list of RIAA members that Chuck was so kind to link to. You bought RIAA tainted goods homes.
aww, I was hoping I wasn't falling into that trap.

damnit!

next time they won't be so lucky!!

I guess it means I can't buy ANY CDs from major retailers... even when it's independent, there's a catch. Looks like the RIAA is related to 100% of the music you see in these stores.

I will now go to bed and mourn my mis-purchase.

Forgive me, Frank, and may your body R.I.P., although your music is as lively as the day it was conceived.

[Lucian]

Chuck, heres what you need to do.

You need to join us and go on FoxNews, MSNBC, CNN, TechTV, and allow all the press to hear you. You should tell it like it is.

We need more people in the industry to speak up against the actions of the RIAA, perhaps you can save your industry, because if the RIAA continues to do this its going to be war, a war which will end up destroying the industry which you profit in.

There wont be any CDs in stores, people wont buy them, people will buy used CDs, or buy copies from their friends, but never again from the RIAA.

I think music should be paid for, but not using the current dead business model of selling CDs, music must be treated differently in the digital world.

Just like magazines are treated differently, people werent stupid enough to try to sell websites.

[Lucian]

People a way to get back at the RIAA is to do this.

If you ever buy a CD, or DVD, make a copy of it, then sell your CD or DVD on the internet.

Then the person who gets it makes a copy of it, then they sell it on the internet, and so on.

Of course it would have to be in good condition, and people would have to buy in bulk.

This only applies to people who dont plan to buycott the RIAA.

IF you plan to boycott the RIAA, just wait about a month, when the P2P developers catch up to the situation and release stuff like Freenet and GNUnet, the RIAA really fears annonymous stuff because they cant stop it, the best they can do is attempt to outlaw all annonymous communication.

[Jelsoft]

There's a simple way to express your discontent with the RIAA.

Stop buying RIAA backed music CDs!

Remember the customers are the ones that give the money to the RIAA.

As I stated on another post, there are 4,073,605 users (http://www.slyck.com/), on the Kazaa FastTrack network.

The RIAA is suing 871 users which makes up less than 0.02% of the overall users.

You have a higher chance of being injured by a lightning strike then getting sued by the RIAA. (1 out of 125000 (http://www.oars.utk.edu/volweb/Schools/sumnercs/ellism/struk.htm))

The RIAA has to sue more than 40,736 users in order to even get to the 1% mark.

So keep on downloading and sharing!

[Lucian]

Watch out for the global internet police!

I mean we all knows its more important to stop random teen joe from downloading an mp3, than it is to fight terrorism, stop murderers, etc.

So beware, theres more resources going into this internet police security task force than the whole homeland security budget.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Originally posted by MusikBeatz23
OMG that would be me (except the noob part)... LMAO... I'm screwed for shure I also have BitTorrent, eMule, Shareaza, Ares, and iMesh running sometimes DC...

Wow Musick...

I hope ya come back and visit in a couple years...been fun seeing you here

JK! :fire

[sandoze]

RIAA is going to sue 1000+ people for sharing their music files, when the RIAA should be the ones sharing the wealth. They are falling behind in the times and need to wake up!

I don't use kazaa because the music is free, i use it because of the availability.. anything i want is there and i can listen to it. I'm with friends playing cards.. let's listen to some of those old 80s hits we barely remember! Need some lovin'? gimme some barry white and marvin gaye.. when the mood strikes i need music! and a library of millions of songs at my fingertips is indispensable.. and practical in this age of digital tech.

Which makes me wonder, do people enjoy free music more or the mp3 format and library which allows millions of songs at their finger tips on laptops, desktops, pdas.. no longer having to make 'mix tapes' of songs because you bought a cd that was 2/3 filler music and had only 3 good songs.. instead you make your own playlists and can shuffle a 1000 titles while you groove to your own beat of music you like! not the crap put on a cd to warrant it's 16$ price tag.

I believe this is what people want. Not free music as much as freedom that mp3 (ogg, wm) bring. People will pay 50$ for their cable tv. I pay 50$ for my internet service. 20$ for netflix. Would I pay 50$ for unlimitted music a month (even if it the mp3s did expire), yes!

This needs to be the new business plan. Kazaa as a conduit for music. If 1 million people paid to download their music legally how much money would the RIAA gain (monthly!) that they are not currently getting, instead they are suing and alienating their customers.

It doesnt have to stop there. Consider this new business plan with special events - 'pay-per -listen'.. streaming videos of concerts.. live audio downloads.. for a small price (just like cable/satelite ppv).. mp3s that expire, or, if you wish to 'own' them and burn them to CDs then you pay .25 cents a song.. even more money for the artists and RIAA to pocket.

RIAA needs to wake up and embrace the technology. CD format is dead not because people are 'stealing' the music.. CDs are dead because they have gone the way of reel-to-reel, 8-track, and cassette tapes. They need to take a lesson from real media companies like cable tv, satellite, content isps, and magazine subcripts (to name a few content providers who have embraced tech and still generate income.. how many magazines put their content on the web for anyone to read, and still sell subscripts?!.. tivo!.. pay-per-view.. list goes on and on)... WAKE UP!

why is it they pay their corporate execs millions of dollars to promote their industry and the best thing they can think of is to sue their customers?! when unpaid, unemployed 'nobodys' like myself can see what it is their customers really want.

[Shadow, Thief of the Sun]

My opinion is that they might sue someone's ass, but it will only

make matters worse. Someone will backfire and p2p will go

underground. I think that idea of putting people to jail for file-

sharing is really laughable and its really

impossible to think that millions will sit in jail for downloading

mp3's along with people who have commited serial murders.

Someone will be caught and of course MTV journalists will say

with pomposity "no one should mess with R-I-A-A" but i think

that all of this hysteria will die very quickly.

[x71us]

If they know who is uploading then they also know who is uploading. This doesn't mean that they would sue a downloader but they certainly have records don't they. Also who is to say that they aren't planting songs for the express purpose of identifying filesharers. What do you think about this? Also since they really don't have to prove anything to bring a lawsuit they c an claim anything. What filesharer is going to resist when the costs of a defense would be astronomical. Rememer your Father mother or Grandwmother or wife will be the one sued if they have the isp. Even responding to such a suit would probably require your attendance at an out of town location. Don't depend on the EEF if you are sued they pressures would be enormous to settle while you could. I suspect some of these suits will take years to settle & probably wind up in the appellate court system or even the Supreme Court since I think constitutional questions would arise. How safe is ES5 really? Does filetopia protect you? What are the ramifications of useing Freenet? Are you really protected by not showing your files--we really cannot tell until after litigation starts. Ther may be afew things we can do. like not pruchaseing music. Exchange music with your friend. Buying used & then reselling after copying. Useing librarys. Go to real . com & copy one of there streams with a analog recorder. Then play it back & copy to your hard drive. It works just fine.

[Crazy Horse]

That RIAA list of companies represented is full of shit !!! They have Grateful Dead productions on there... And that can't be right... NO FUCKIN WAY !!!

I'm going to get in contact with the Dead and see what their take on this list is.

[xflrocks]

What is needed is to make the RIAA irrelevant. The way that will happen is for the music industry as a whole to cut the giants out of the loop. Apple's new "I-Tunes Music Store" has proved that many users will pay to download music. I don't mind the 99 cents. (even though I think that is too much for one song, and it would be less if the record company was cut out) I would love it if most of that money would go to the artist. ARTISTS----now is your chance!! Start negotiating with Apple and other pay for music services. Sell us your music directly!!
The big names could still afford to record in the fancy studios, and they could hire a publicity firm to wine and dine the media to get their music played on the air. (and even that is outdated. 99 per cent of any new music I hear is not off the radio or TV---it's 30 second samples from Amazon or the band's own websites.) For the up and coming artists--the record companies aren't going to do crap for you anyway. For the cost of 3 days in a good studio, you can be recording on your own.
WE are not going to win against the RIAA. They have $$$$$, and $$$$ buy congressmen and justice goes to the highest bidder. No, they won't come close to stopping file sharing, but they sure as hell have already taken a lot of the fun out of looking for obscure songs, oldies, and whatever. I want to pay for new music...but not $16, of which the artist gets 75 cents. And I want to be able to share some great music from my old vinyl, a lot of which will NEVER be offered on CD. And, in the words of Richard Nixon, "I AM NOT A CROOK!
In closing this overly long post, I say once again--if the role of the record companies are diminished or eliminated..they will not be a threat. Support on line pay for music, and support independent labels. Rock on!!

[Wolfie]

Quite the subtle spam for Itunes, isn't it, lol.

[Lucian]

I wont pay apple for distribution. We should be distributors.

The RIAA should be cut out of the system, and artists should negotiate with us.

[Yodas Left Nut]

Many problems to come with these subponeas, the riaa will have

[NDGAARONDI]

Hey, Crazy Horse, let us know your findings! :fire

Thanks man.

[FileHoover]

Originally posted by xflrocks
What is needed is to make the RIAA irrelevant. The way that will happen is for the music industry as a whole to cut the giants out of the loop. Apple's new "I-Tunes Music Store" has proved that many users will pay to download music. I don't mind the 99 cents. (even though I think that is too much for one song, and it would be less if the record company was cut out) I would love it if most of that money would go to the artist. ARTISTS----now is your chance!! Start negotiating with Apple and other pay for music services. Sell us your music directly!!
The big names could still afford to record in the fancy studios, and they could hire a publicity firm to wine and dine the media to get their music played on the air. (and even that is outdated. 99 per cent of any new music I hear is not off the radio or TV---it's 30 second samples from Amazon or the band's own websites.) For the up and coming artists--the record companies aren't going to do crap for you anyway. For the cost of 3 days in a good studio, you can be recording on your own.
WE are not going to win against the RIAA. They have $$$$$, and $$$$ buy congressmen and justice goes to the highest bidder. No, they won't come close to stopping file sharing, but they sure as hell have already taken a lot of the fun out of looking for obscure songs, oldies, and whatever. I want to pay for new music...but not $16, of which the artist gets 75 cents. And I want to be able to share some great music from my old vinyl, a lot of which will NEVER be offered on CD. And, in the words of Richard Nixon, "I AM NOT A CROOK!
In closing this overly long post, I say once again--if the role of the record companies are diminished or eliminated..they will not be a threat. Support on line pay for music, and support independent labels. Rock on!!
You're not going to cut the record companies and RIAA out of the picture for a LOOOONG time. They own the copyrights on most of the older music so the original artist has been out of the picture for a long time.

All you can hope to do is get new artists to not sign contracts with the record companies but attempt direct-to-consumer marketing.

[Crazy Horse]

This what I have from Grateful Dead Productions so far:



NOTICE FROM GRATEFUL DEAD PRODUCTIONS

The Grateful Dead and our managing organizations have
long encouraged the purely non-commercial exchange of
music taped at our concerts and those of our
individual members. That a new medium of distribution
has arisen - digital audio files being traded over the
Internet - does not change our policy in this regard.

Our stipulations regarding digital distribution are
merely extensions of those long-standing principles
and they are as follow:

No commercial gain may be sought by websites offering
digital files of our music, whether through advertising,
exploiting databases compiled from their traffic, or
any other means.

All participants in such digital exchange acknowledge
and respect the copyrights of the performers, writers
and publishers of the music.

This notice should be clearly posted on all sites
engaged in this activity.

We reserve the ability to withdraw our sanction of
non-commercial digital music should circumstances
arise that compromise our ability to protect and
steward the integrity of our work.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am sending out e-mails to individual members and to other concerned parties to see if I get some kind of response...I'll keep you posted

[NDGAARONDI]

Good job, Crazy Horse! :wings

[serrebi101]

That is exactly how I think. If your not making mony out of downloading music, burning cds, etc, then its ok.
They'll never find me, muahahhahahahhahah
Even if the riaa was planting fake files on kazaa, I'll never know, since I never, ever use kazaa anymore, its just on my comp for when I want to watch a tv show or something.

[Jon49]

Quote:

'Depaul University in Chicago was among the few colleges that received such subpoenas; the RIAA asked Depaul on July 2 to track down a user known as ''anon39023'''

Oh dear god that was funny...





Originally posted by Lucian

Pay the EFF now, or pay the RIAA later.
https://secure.eff.org/


This is a war people, if you want to win this war you have to fight with your wallet not just with words.

Anyone here who has a job, or who has $5 to spare each month, make your decision now, do you want to stand and fight the war or stop using P2P?

damn straight. after i finish assembling my new comp, im gonna donate. the only way i would buy CDs again is if the RIAA compensated me for the YEARS of price-fixing that cost me...more than $13, Hilary.

[NDGAARONDI]

That's what I think too!

They'd probably target people who put up music tabs n sheet music on the net if the RIAA made any £££ from that too.

Even though I can read some in a library in the real book and remember a lot of it! May be enough to play a song a okay.

They should pass law saying it would be unconstitutional if RIAA made money from gigs :) or something like that........

[Undermind]

Originally posted by Kevin06906
Hey! anon39023 in that article. i have talked to this person before, yeah this person called me a stupid guinea and a wop since im italian. Damn bastard.

I was going through the article and was praying that my username wasn't there.



are you sure that wasn't anon39022 you were speaking with?

[AuronFFX]

Originally posted by NDGAARONDI
That's what I think too!

They'd probably target people who put up music tabs n sheet music on the net if the RIAA made any £££ from that too.

Even though I can read some in a library in the real book and remember a lot of it! May be enough to play a song a okay.

They should pass law saying it would be unconstitutional if RIAA made money from gigs :) or something like that........

The RIAA has been targeting tabs for years, visit OLGA(Online guitar archive) to see a cronicle of the lawsuits brought against them alone.

[NDGAARONDI]

Oh well, being from England I didn't know that.

Never had to say this but may be Congress should either do something about your legislation and make it all fair or adopt foreign legislation if they don't know.......

Now I definitely think they are evil myself.......

Best way to rid of all this hoohar is to rid of every record label that has been unfair.

[johnsmatrix]

Originally posted by Evil_Dweller_01
Umm..I'm sorry to disappoint you but the RIAA is after AUDIO ONLY

They couldn't give a rat's ass about movies, games, and software

They want people sharing audio files..lots of albums, hits..etc.

As long as you dont share a lot of audio files..or maybe none...its not a problem


dissapoint me how? I wasn't wishing anything. Just making an observation..

[Kevin06906]

Originally posted by Undermind
are you sure that wasn't anon39022 you were speaking with?

Yeah, it was something like that, but i know its from an anon. Why?

[kerouac906]

This probably belongs on another topic... But here goes...

If you know anyone (or are yourself) being brought up on charges by the RIAA all you need to do is purchase copies of the songs they tagged you for sharing... Since they (the RIAA) obviously hold copyrights to these songs and you by purchasing the songs, have rights too. How can it be illegal for two copyright owners to share music in mp3 format?

They really can't PROVE that you have shared this file with non-copyright holders... Only that it was available for a non-copyright holder to gain access to. So are the CD's on my shelf in my house, if someone wants to steal them.

Decision... Defendant.

[FutureIverson]

warez-wolph?