Can the riaa get winmx?

[robpax]

Can the RIAA sue users that are on winmx? Since it uses a decentralized network does that mean that everybody downloads anonymously on it?

[begoodbebad]

can get WinMX they are welcome to it.

Can you actually get sued for sharing fakes? lol

[Captain_FLX]

I dont think they would even bother getting WinMX because of the long azz Que lines in there. I use WinMX but it's real difficult to get stuff out of there so peronally I dont think they'll ever go after WinMX if they never fix the Que Problem, but who knows?.

[cpugeniusmv]

unfortunately........due to the fact that the internet is a public network, almost ANY network can be monitored and you can be sued.

it's not anonymous.

[Induna]

So how come in never gets mentioned like with all the other major p2p apps with regards to the RIAA ?

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Originally posted by Induna
So how come in never gets mentioned like with all the other major p2p apps with regards to the RIAA ?

Why do you think FrontCode the developers are so secretive all the time?

They keep winmx out of the RIAA by not showing a user counter and never hyping up their releases

[notbob]

yes, because they are going after USERS now--in addition kazaa, and soulseek, and dc, and piolet, and blubster, and IRC, and newsgroups (they seem to have given up on shutting down developers)

irc and newsgroup users can be spotted easily in the ISP records that they can get via court actions (e.g. the verizon decision)

if you trhink anything that is publically accessible is safe, you are fucking nuts

[Psilaxs]

True, but just accessing the data, as you have said, they could't care less about. it is the poeple who share on p2p networks or post on news groups they are going after.

At least for right now.

[isus]

any network you are on, you can get caught.

and i agree with evil dweller...
kazaa is in the news all the time. sure, it makes it more popular, but... anybody can read that.

winmx on the other hand, is very very low key.

it has been around forever tho. im sure the riaa knows about it. but like i said, winmx has significantly less users, so it is of lower priority than kazaa.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Originally posted by isus


it has been around forever tho. im sure the riaa knows about it. but like i said, winmx has significantly less users, so it is of lower priority than kazaa.

Actually..winmx has around 1.5 to 2 million users

That's second best to Kazaa yet they are able to keep a low profile and they weren't on the scanning list of p2p programs the RIAA showed on some website

[notbob]

Originally posted by Evil_Dweller_01
and they weren't on the scanning list of p2p programs the RIAA showed on some website

do you think the riaa's list really matters? maybe they left winmx off because that's the one they really want to go after

[Serps]

One thing that the RIAA might be trying to do is attack one network at a time. First it goes after Kazaa and then waits to see where the users move to next. In there eyes the next big thing.

Once that network has more users off the evil RIAA go again making a big public outcry about this new network and how they are going to sue thousands of more people and the circle begins again.

Oh and yes I think they can get Winmx

[notbob]

Originally posted by Serps
One thing that the RIAA might be trying to do is attack one network at a time.

they don't actually scan anyone

they hire lots of others--mediaforce, baytsp, etc. to do their legwork, and those guys have already been confirmed (via ISP letters that we have all seen posted here and on other forums) to be checking dc, winmx, kazaa, bittorrent, soulseek, shareaza/morpheus/gnutella

[Jelsoft]

Originally posted by robpax
Can the RIAA sue users that are on winmx? Since it uses a decentralized network does that mean that everybody downloads anonymously on it?

If you use the opennap servers on Winmx, it's not decentralized.

[mp3master1215]

stop being paranoid and keep sharing!

[Induna]

Didn't somebody say that the majority of WinMX users are Japanese, or at least from Japan?

Is the RIAA going to make a case against Japanese users of p2p apps?

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Originally posted by Induna
Didn't somebody say that the majority of WinMX users are Japanese, or at least from Japan?

Is the RIAA going to make a case against Japanese users of p2p apps?

Majority hell no

But a lot of the users are japanaese and for one reason only, Winmx has unicode support

Now japan has 10mb dsl so that's actually good :fire

[Induna]

OK, I may have paraphrased that incorrectly. I think the quote was alongthe lines of most Japanese p2p users, use WinMX.


And what is Unicode, and it's significance with Japan?

[The Warlock]

Unicode is a binary-to-alphabet code. It's just like ASCII, except it's 16 bits per character, so it supports up to 65536 characters as oppossed to ASCII's 256 characters. Since the Japanese use Kanji (or Katakana, in some cases) instead of the Roman alphabet, they need Unicode to make all of the characters show up.

[Induna]

Ahh, it all makes sense now.



I'm sure a few Japanese WinMX users said the same thing when they used it for the first time.


I wonder how "these fucking queues!" is spelt using Kanji?

[TheScaryOne]

ŒŽ�_ ‚Ï‚¢‚¸‚è —ñ.

Ask and thou shalt recieve. :P You might have to turn on unicode in your browser though, remember to turn it off when your done.

Not 100% Sure on it's properness though. I got it from some English to Japanese site. :P

[dauterman]

Originally posted by Jelsoft
If you use the opennap servers on Winmx, it's not decentralized.

Hi,

Does this mean if one turns off the Opennap connection and only uses the WinMX connection that it is secure (i.e. your IP address can't be detected)?

If that is the case that would be a very easy modification to make in order to upload in a steath manner.

Sincerely,
dauterman

[matt merch]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dauterman
Hi,

Does this mean if one turns off the Opennap connection and only uses the WinMX connection that it is secure (i.e. your IP address can't be detected)?

If that is the case that would be a very easy modification to make in order to upload in a steath manner.

Sincerely,
dauterman [/QUO

centralised or noncentralised has nothing to do with hiding ur ip dude
centralised ie napster just means the network is aware what is being shared decentralised ie fasttrack and winmx can argue they are unaware what is being shared

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by dauterman
Hi,

Does this mean if one turns off the Opennap connection and only uses the WinMX connection that it is secure (i.e. your IP address can't be detected)?

If that is the case that would be a very easy modification to make in order to upload in a steath manner.

Sincerely,
dauterman

Look at it like this, can you mail somebody a letter without their address? Short answer no.

Same with the internet, can you recieve something or send something without the computers knowing each others "addresses"? As of right now, no.

[dauterman]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
Same with the internet, can you recieve something or send something without the computers knowing each others "addresses"? As of right now, no.

OK thanks for the info. That will not work.

How about proxy servers? Do you believe what was posted in the following post about using proxy servers to hide your IP address or is this also B.S.:

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11874&highlight=address+encrypt

[jonnymnemonic]

Proxies are realistically the only way to have any sort of anonymity. That is why FreeNet is the most secure network out there, because you can never know from what machine a file actually came from. You may know the IP address of the machine you receive it from, but it's entirely possible, and generally even likely, that that machine didn't even HAVE the file you receive UNTIL you requested it. In effect, on FreeNet, every time you ask for a particular file, you are propogating it thru the network. So if the RIAA goes to FreeNet and asks for "Madonna - American Life.mp3", the only thing they will achieve is to make that file spread even more than it already had, assuming that it exists on the network.

The problem with proxies is that it (at least) doubles bandwidth useage. For example, you want a 4 meg file. Instead of the sharer sending you that 4 meg file directly (4 megs of bandwidth used), it is first sent to someone else (4 megs of bandwidth), and then relayed to you (4 more megs of bandwidth). If there's more than one level of proxying/relaying, then the bandwidth useage increases accordingly.

[Sandcrab]

What's the story on Filetopia ? They claim to be secure.

[Kyle06]

Originally posted by Captain_FLX
I dont think they would even bother getting WinMX because of the long azz Que lines in there. I use WinMX but it's real difficult to get stuff out of there so peronally I dont think they'll ever go after WinMX if they never fix the Que Problem, but who knows?.

I would have to agree lol they would be waiting days just to get the file they need and by that time it would more inlikely be a different person..

[dauterman]

Originally posted by jonnymnemonic
The problem with proxies is that it (at least) doubles bandwidth useage. For example, you want a 4 meg file. Instead of the sharer sending you that 4 meg file directly (4 megs of bandwidth used), it is first sent to someone else (4 megs of bandwidth), and then relayed to you (4 more megs of bandwidth). If there's more than one level of proxying/relaying, then the bandwidth useage increases accordingly.

Hi,

I've been looking over the Earthstation5 forums and they have lists of proxy servers several hundred to a few thousand long. If each of those machine has about 1 megabaud of spare bandwidth (a conservative estimate - 1 Meg is not much nowadays) the combined bandwidth of all those machines must be between 1 gigabaud and 10 gigabaud.

A while back I figured that based on the number of MP3s downloaded in the US the bandwidth it took up was around 20 gigabaud.

dauterman

[FrozenShadow23]

Someone needs to make a thread that explains how the RIAA (the companies they hire rather) work their voodoo magic... I'm not even entirely sure of how it exactly works. A clear explination would be awesome.

[dauterman]

Originally posted by FrozenShadow23
Someone needs to make a thread that explains how the RIAA (the companies they hire rather) work their voodoo magic... I'm not even entirely sure of how it exactly works. A clear explination would be awesome.

Hi,

It's been discussed before. Here is the thread:

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11874&highlight=address+encrypt

Look for the post by FileHoover about halfway down the page. It says it all. He seems to know what he is talking about and has made excellent posts in other threads.

Sincerely,
dauterman

[Induna]

I do hope d-Koolest was being sarcastic when he asked FileHoover, "What are these wonderful programs you speak of?"

Hint: Look at FileHoovers sig for a clue.


He does present a convincing argument to use ESV.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Damn..I had a dream that Winmx 4.0 came out

I was tinkering around with it..I was so happy

All of a sudden I wake up..dream is dead