Riaa & Mpaa

[bmw5002]

Ok guys, before you read this and start flaming me, get a nice cool drink and take some ritalin.
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Think about what you are saying. I am new to these forums and have been browsing around a bit. I notice in this P2Politics forum there are many posts saying "Down with the RIAA & MPAA". I am definitely not an expert on this, but just listen up. About the pricing of CDs, I am not sure what it should be, or whether prices are really that bad. But if you were an artist, would you want to sell your cds for 2 bucks? No, you would want to sell them at as high a price as possible while still getting sales. So why reduce the price of Cds? If the RIAA or MPAA goes out of buisiness, how will artists get their music published and distributed all over? How will all the great movies be put out into theaters. I beleive the RIAA and MPAA are the main coduit through which music and movies come to us, the viewer/listener. Ok, you say the RIAA is being greedy. They may very well be. But seriously, how will all the artists get their music through if they are gone? Maybe you can offer me some insight on this one? Now I am like every one of you filesharing people out there. I download stuff. But the question to ask yourself is, how far should I take this? After downloading many, many songs off of P2P clients and the like, I really started to like certain artists. When you really like an artist, wouldnt you like to support them so they can make more good music? If you are downloading and keeping more than 6 songs from an artists album that you like, you should really consider buying it. I almost always download a whole album, and keep it like everyone else. But if you like it and you like the artist, go and buy the cd. Of course you can keep the songs you downloaded, but music that you listen to alot should be bought. Support the artists you like. I think P2P is a great way to see if you like an artists songs. If you downloaded songs that you only occasionally listen to, who cares?? But you should feel compelled to buy an album that you really like. Besides, when you buy it you get a nice, colored cd, and a nice, shiny, colorful jewel case to go along with it.

As for the MPAA, I can't really tell what should be done about that. I have to say though, go to a movie, and if you like it, hell download it if you can. But dont download the movie FIRST, because you will most likely not go and see the movie in the theaters then. You have to support the movie studios. Have you seen the budgets on some of these things? How can they support that when you go and download the damn movie then never see it? Trust me, you need a big budget like that to make a good movie. You most likely wont make a blockbuster with a sony handycam and $5,000. Film along costs LOTS of money. Although ALOT of money in a film's budget goes towards paying actors, i don't think much can be done about that. Whatever price the actors demands, that is what he/she must be paid to be in the film. Go flame to the actors that the charge too much. Older movies that have been out for at least two years, yea they've had their time. Go ahead and download them. The part where a movie gets paid is while its in the theater. So go and see that movie first, and go see it again if you really like it, before you download it.

I am not telling you to go and trash your P2P client. I am merely saying that you should tone it down a bit if you are downloading more than 40-60 songs a week. Live songs, and stuff like that, sure you know whats ok, go grab as much as you can eat. But don't overeat on the recent stuff that comes out. Go and buy what you rationally think should be bought. Cmon, I am a 15 year old with no job and I can easily pony up $15 to buy a CD. If you are a working man, you shouldn't even be reading this. Go out and BUY A CD NOW!

So all you other new kids who come in this forum and blast about the RIAA & MPAA, GIVE IT A BREAK. Think about what you are going to say before you say it. Down with the industry you say? What do you think will happen without the industry? Without the industry as a central way for artists to publish their music and get it out on the shelves, you may not be able to download your MP3s. How will you get your daily MP3 diet if artists have to way to evenly distribute their music to all parts of the globe? They will not survive. New music will be gone. Think about the ramifications.

If you havent bought a CD or seen a movie within 5 months, please calm your hormones and dont rant and rave about the RIAA/MPAA. And don't try and flame me now. If you don't like my insight, just ignore it and move on in your life. No, I am not saying I hate filesharing. It is actually a very useful thing. What I am saying is consider what you are doing and do the right thing. I don't mean to sound mushy or gh3y or somehting, and no I am not someone from the RIAA trying to deter you from filesharing. I am just a normal 15 yr old kid. If you are of working age and have a decent salary, you should be buying a couple CDs every couple months. Even you minimum wage $5.00 an hour BK worker should be able to buy a CD. And please, only nice, lowercase responses. Don't flame me or you are just showing everyone else how much of an idiot you are. Act your age.

Cheers

[sharedawealth]

Some interesting comments

The RIAA and the MPAA are both Collusive Oligopolies. They are also act as Oligopsony when recruiting artist and actors. That means that they are screwing the end Consumers and Screwing the Artists. These organisations cause a dead weight loss to society. The RIAA and MPAA limit culture to maximise their profits. The RIAA and MPAA should be destroyed and the only way I can think of doing that is to use and encourage P2P!!:cross :cross :cross


ps. dont take this reply too seriously :)

[Siskabush]

okee, time to give my explanation, dont worry no flames.

You got a good point there, but most of the music I download is Techno/Trance, Which is nearly impossible to find here in Canada.

And im not sending 30$ away to get a CD of great trance to another nation, when its available on the net, and i can get it in 5 minutes.

I was lucky to find a rave o lution CD in Saskatoon. It cost me 35$. If techno/trance were more mainstream here, i would defintely buy more. Hell, many of the stores in my city dont even have a trance section, so what am I to do?

As for mainstream/North american tunes, I only like a bit, I pretty much hate everything on the radio. But of those mainstream tunes, I only like about 2-4 songs per album. which basically makes buying the album not worth it. But I will always buy all the rammstien CD's, because every single song is good (Its too bad my other 2 Rammstien CD's got stolen damnit)

As for the record industries being a center distribution model, that is no longer true in our time, you can easily go and subscribe to Dmusic.com for 10 bucks for hosting of your tunes. If people love your music, you can then set up a site, or sell CD's through there, sell them at your local music stores. and become Independent and famous like that. It might take a bit more work for you, but at least you dont get ripped off for your CD's by a record company (Artists make about 60 cents a CD, the rest goes to the label and thier counterparts, most new artists that go platinum dont even make enough to pay back the label for the initial contract)

so, there is my reasons for not buying music. I cant afford the 30$ and a 2 week wait for a good trance CD, and pretty much all mainstream music in North america sucks.

Well, im off to DL some more rare tunes. welcome to ZP bmw5002 :wings

[bmw5002]

Yea, stuff you cant find easily, sure dl it. Only like 6 songs on an album. Dl em. But I say if u dl some songs, and like the artist and album, and you got a cd store within 2 miles, go buy it. Just talk here, whatever you feel is right do it. I know lots of ppl hate the industry, and really i don't know that much at all about them. im just voicing an opinion. well anyway i have no idea what is happening. i dont know hat will happen next. i am very comp savvy and even though this does not have very direct relation to what is happening, i will discuss it. with the dcma or whatever its called and everything being copywrited and such, i think it will really mess some stuff up. you see, linux is a great thing and gnu and open source is a great thing. the way you learn programming languages and how to code stuff is to see examples and code that otehr people wrote. microsoft is moving closer and closer to closing evrything up. secure apps will run over some kind of encryption layer and all this secure shit, just so companies can be completely sure no one can figure out how the hell the software works and they will have no competition. with everything being closed up, i will have very little examples of code to learn from and to make my code better. this is just an example of how the world is going to hell. closed source is going to make everything so much worse. free software is beutiful. when you have a company that writes some simple code and copywrites it and closes the source, no one can learn from it for free. people wishing to make programs that use some of this code will have to pay the company to use it. then all those costs of buying code will rack up and the new developer will have to charge even more for their product. some of this kind of stuff is even around today in the smallest little examples. activex controls that you can use in your program to easily do complicated things with a few commands are cool. there are some that make a cool looking outlook-style menu down the left side of a window. the thing is, some of them you have to BUY to use and they cost crazy things like $300!!! And with a little resarch and some coding of your own you can acheive the same effect for no cost at all. but just to make it a little easier for you, they have to charge $300. go figure. ah im just flaming about nothing. its 4:00 am over here. pretty tired. im going to bed peace out nikkas. but think about how this shit is destroying the way we freely tarde information. and buy a cd.

[RM115]

I don't believe anyone wants to stiff the artists who create music. However, the RIAA has been hosing music creators and customers for decades. Paying $15.00-30.00 USD for a CD is way too much for most people, and those prices were established as 'artificially fixed' by a recent court verdict against the record industry. The justice dept. is also looking into allegations that the RIAA, for years, did not pay royalties to artists who contracted with it. One can read more from a music artist's perspective at Janis Ian's web site...type in Janis Ian on any search engine and read her stories. She is on our side bigtime. The RIAA and other media companies refuse to change their business models to mirror current technology. Their philosophy is to destroy a means of supplying all the music ever created to the world's biggest audience at an affordable price. It wants to keep the current lucrutive monopoly in place, over which this organization has total control. The current situation benefits the RIAA at the expense of everyone else. That is the reason why it's fighting so hard to destroy P2P, sue users, etc. I have no sympathy for any business that refuses to change with the times and refuses to listen to the message sent to it from tens of millions of customers who use P2P as their source of music.

[at.morris]

Originally posted by sharedawealth
Some interesting comments

The RIAA and the MPAA are both Collusive Oligopolies. They are also act as Oligopsony when recruiting artist and actors. That means that they are screwing the end Consumers and Screwing the Artists. These organisations cause a dead weight loss to society. The RIAA and MPAA limit culture to maximise their profits. The RIAA and MPAA should be destroyed and the only way I can think of doing that is to use and encourage P2P!!:cross :cross :cross


ps. dont take this reply too seriously :)

Oligopolies arn't always bad - look at supermarkets. Perhaps you mean a cartel? Those generally are, but are encouraged in Japan as companies work together for the good of the consumer, not themselves. Sony is part of the RIAA cartel, but they have aparently been westernised!

[HyperspaceSamurai]

The issue is that the media industry has created a situation where the profit is primarily manifested in purchase of individual CD’s instead of development in the marketability of other merchandise (shirts/shows/etc).

Yeah, you pay too much for a few cool songs so some say screw’em, okay. As long as the song/film is a form of data it can./will be transmitted/copied/reproduced at level of technology available. The media industry has to make buying the CD worth while (as side from extortion) by lowering prices and offering gifts at purchase. The movie/music industry would make more money by diversifying there ways of making money instead of fighting the technology. That way even the artist makes more money and the fan have more junk to spend on, hoorah.

[Lamourlady]

yada, yada, yada.
migraine today...or else i would post a lengthy.....uhm.....post.
(feeling like Dr. Evil today...lol)
noone is saying the artist shouldn't be allowed to make money.
there is so much more to it than that.
we're talking about the evolution of technology and how it is being halted by one or two entities for sheer greed.
and the artist is not what fuels those actions.

[at.morris]

Originally posted by HyperspaceSamurai
The issue is that the media industry has created a situation where the profit is primarily manifested in purchase of individual CD’s instead of development in the marketability of other merchandise (shirts/shows/etc).

Yeah, you pay too much for a few cool songs so some say screw’em, okay. As long as the song/film is a form of data it can./will be transmitted/copied/reproduced at level of technology available. The media industry has to make buying the CD worth while (as side from extortion) by lowering prices and offering gifts at purchase. The movie/music industry would make more money by diversifying there ways of making money instead of fighting the technology. That way even the artist makes more money and the fan have more junk to spend on, hoorah.

Merchandise is the industries biggest rip off of all! It is usally aimed at children so they pester parents to buy it - but then never play with it. For the kids that do, the plastic just falls to bits. Teenagers arn't targeted much, but they don't have the money. By the time people go to work, the arn't going to wear a t-shirt with Eminem written on the back!
I can't affords CDs nor the merchandise. I need high speed interenet for my degree, so I may as well use it for my music needs.

[ROMANTICGUY50]

Originally posted by sharedawealth
Some interesting comments

The RIAA and the MPAA are both Collusive Oligopolies. They are also act as Oligopsony when recruiting artist and actors. That means that they are screwing the end Consumers and Screwing the Artists. These organisations cause a dead weight loss to society. The RIAA and MPAA limit culture to maximise their profits. The RIAA and MPAA should be destroyed and the only way I can think of doing that is to use and encourage P2P!!:cross :cross :cross


ps. dont take this reply too seriously :)

I happen to agree and I personally think that the RIAA & MPAA suck. I would love to see both organizations destroyed. They don't have the consumer's interest at stake. They are a radical voice of a few assholes. Even a number of artists have no use for them. They are out to control congress(represenateves and senators) They don't want us to have a voice. I say screw them. We are 56million or so strong.So that is my thought on The RIAA & MPAA.

[HyperspaceSamurai]

Originally posted by at.morris
Merchandise is the industries biggest rip off of all! It is usally aimed at children so they pester parents to buy it - but then never play with it. For the kids that do, the plastic just falls to bits. Teenagers arn't targeted much, but they don't have the money. By the time people go to work, the arn't going to wear a t-shirt with Eminem written on the back!
I can't affords CDs nor the merchandise. I need high speed interenet for my degree, so I may as well use it for my music needs.

You have a valid point. A lot of merchandise is cheap junk. In my view merchandise should move in the direction I think punk has with clothing and novelty products that don’t suck. It’s a tall order. But it is a matter of time before the first wave of law suits come and the technology race loss to the multimillion dollar trans-national corporations. P2P may die down for awhile or disappear; it’s difficult to speculate because nothing at this level of magnitude has happened before. But back to my original point, I wouldn’t buying a CD for $3.00 (I do for punk compilations) and I’ve spent that on a patches. Though your point is very valid that crap normally licensed is pushed on the under aged that don’t know better. Then again I’ve bought loads of cheap junk myself….It just dawned on me that I quoted a quoted……

[sharedawealth]

Originally posted by at.morris
Oligopolies arn't always bad - look at supermarkets. Perhaps you mean a cartel? Those generally are, but are encouraged in Japan as companies work together for the good of the consumer, not themselves. Sony is part of the RIAA cartel, but they have aparently been westernised!

The crucial word was " COLLUSIVE oligopoly "

[at.morris]

Originally posted by sharedawealth
The crucial word was " COLLUSIVE oligopoly "

Also know as a cartel.

[bmw5002]

just curious, so when the RIAA is down and out, and we keep downloading mroe and more songs, that still wont help the artists at al. we are still ripping them off even if the industry doesnt exist. so i ask what will happen to filesharing then? artists wont have any chance at all with 56million or whatever ppl downloading their songs, and no RIAA to act as a buffer. once the riaa goes out, instead of sucking the money from them, we will be sucking it directly from the artists.

[sharedawealth]

Originally posted by bmw5002
just curious, so when the RIAA is down and out, and we keep downloading mroe and more songs, that still wont help the artists at al. we are still ripping them off even if the industry doesnt exist. so i ask what will happen to filesharing then? artists wont have any chance at all with 56million or whatever ppl downloading their songs, and no RIAA to act as a buffer. once the riaa goes out, instead of sucking the money from them, we will be sucking it directly from the artists.

Artists can make their money by doing shows. And giving their music away for free will help advertise their shows. Sure they wont make as much but they will still make music.

[Fallout2man]

Originally posted by bmw5002
just curious, so when the RIAA is down and out, and we keep downloading mroe and more songs, that still wont help the artists at al. we are still ripping them off even if the industry doesnt exist. so i ask what will happen to filesharing then? artists wont have any chance at all with 56million or whatever ppl downloading their songs, and no RIAA to act as a buffer. once the riaa goes out, instead of sucking the money from them, we will be sucking it directly from the artists.

As far as I know a lot of people WOULD buy CDs more often if they costed less and they knew the money was going to the artist. As has also been said, touring and merchandise are good moneymakers.

One thing a lot of people fail to forget is that when napster first appeared sales ROSE and didn't fall until napster was shut down. I believe peer to peer and music can live harmoniously together so long as the money-grubbing middle-men are eliminated.

[riderx]

4 strings come closer
i like that song
hmm

to me this is just lke old skool dance freestyle with a bit of bass involve in it
woohoo
yeah i am lovin it

[sorros]

Some interesting comments

The RIAA and the MPAA are both Collusive Oligopolies. They are also act as Oligopsony when recruiting artist and actors. That means that they are screwing the end Consumers and Screwing the Artists. These organisations cause a dead weight loss to society. The RIAA and MPAA limit culture to maximise their profits. The RIAA and MPAA should be destroyed and the only way I can think of doing that is to use and encourage P2P!!:cross :cross :cross


ps. dont take this reply too seriously :) actually i thought your reply was right on the money and for the most part true. Obviously the respective industries need to protect there interests. What's important is how they go about doing it. So far both organizations have pursued the tactic of threats intimidation, and lawsuits which in the end has the opposite effect.

[666Goth999]

U dont have to buy the whole cd to get the cool songs, just buy the singles. Their 3.99. But id rather have the whole cd cause most bands now a days attach their songs to the next one and it sounds dumb when the first one ends. idk lol thats just me.