Poll: Shareaza vs. Kazaa Lite K++

[bmc152003]

the ultimate showdown, vote for which you think is better and voice you opinion. I like shareaza better, fast downloads, no spyware/ adware and 3 networks. What more could you ask for?

[thongsai]

4 million users on kazaa is good.. multi source downloads is very nice.. but if those 4 million went to shareaza. oooo... partial file sharing, multi source, and hash verified downloads.. wat can be better?

[isus]

4 million users are nice...

but kazaa has too much crap. lots of leechs, lots of fake files, that damned column setting error... and if you're not careful, you might end up with one of kazaa's worms on your comp.

shareaza on the other hand, connects to more than one network, and introduces a lot of nice technologies. and it's fairly clean (i mean, with viruses, etc...) and the gui is pretty nice as well.

[Wings_of_Azrael]

Presently, I prefer K-Lite K++ by a long shot, simply because I can find *some* files I want there. For instance, I found a large collection of Platonic Dialogues on the FastTrack network a couple nights ago. FastTrack is good for small files, game ripz, and maybe a quick, mainstream mp3 that's been recommended by someone. Shareaza - I uninstalled 1.9 beta a while back, in spite of its superior technology. I try apps with smaller networks from time to time just to see if they've progressed, but I suppose Kazaa is holding their potential users. Just as well to have them all in one place I assume. Especially when K-Lite provides network-raping infinite searches and sources.

For now, K-Lite is my pick. In the long run, it's really unknowable what will happen.

[MoonMan]

Both are crap as far as quality is concerned. If I had to choose it would be KL++. Mostly because it HAS users and alot of really sweet options.

Shareaza on the other hand is a slow, bug filled app that connects to multiple networks (woopteedo). You're deluding yourself if you think that Shareaza's G2 (as well as G1) does not have their fair share of viruses. It is only on a smaller scale, like the rest of the files on the networks.

[FrozenShadow23]

No way MoonMan, first, neither are crap, you just need to learn to use em' like a pro (not saying that I am one). I almost never download virus infected files on either proggie, and don't have MUCH of a problem with fakes or misnamed. I am more than willing to chance a fake for a free game or movie, and millions seem to agree with me. I personally prefer Sharaza by far. I don't get as fast of download speeds, but i'm sticking with it and uploading without limits (not saying much considering that im a 56k). I do my part to help the community grow. The ONLY problem with shareaza is the lack of users and slow speeds that come of this. In time, I believe that Shareaza will become the leader of shareing. Now if they could only tap into the FastTrack network (prolly not gonna happen, too bad).

[Dividend]

Hah. Shareaza hands down. Why? Full file corruption checking. For the occasional MP3 or other small file Kazaa is great with the good speed, but downloading ISOs or large RARs 'n' ZIPs with Kazaa has pissed me off to no end. Corruption out the wazoo, not to mention the fakes if you don't go through a sig2dat site. Maybe a poll like "Shareaza [G2 only] vs. eMule" might have provoked some thought.

...and anyone can avoid viruses. Just use a little common sense and don't download that 45KB [YourSearch].mp3.vbs file. But I suppose the thing about common sense is that it isn't too common.

[Theinfamousone]

The main problem with Kazaa is that it has too many users. Any network that big is bound to get a lot of negative type attention. I just have way mroe variety when dealing with the FastTrack network. But Shareaza comes in handy too.

[MusikBeatz23]

I use Kazaa Lite K++ Edition. I also have shareaza inside but i hardly ever use it.

[ozamosi]

Kazaa Lite.
I don giva a bloody fuck about corruption checking, when the darn prog keeps crashing, and when it do, you have to start over! for kazaa, there are corruption checking progs, but i have totaly gotten ONE corrupted file. ever. sharaza crashes enough for me to not be able to get a single mp3 for sure. besides, its SOOO SLOOOW!

[DIMA2001]

>> 4 million users on kazaa is good

At all K++ lovers: and you are sure that you can access those 4 millions from any position on the network? I must laugh.
Already because of K++ it is impossible...(i dont even talk about the poor FT protocol)

[random nut]

Originally posted by DIMA2001
>> 4 million users on kazaa is good

At all K++ lovers: and you are sure that you can access those 4 millions from any position on the network? I must laugh.
Already because of K++ it is impossible...(i dont even talk about the poor FT protocol)

We have a new troll here, DIMA2001

It's impossible because the network is too big. Something you'll realize whenever your little G2 network becomes bigger, if that ever happens.

[ian_l_williams]

Last time i checked (2 months ago) Shareaza had crap proxy support, which i need to connect, so KLite it is. Once u know how to use it and get some experience the only problems are finding really rare files, and the fact that it doesn't share parts of files. Plus it has a larger user base than the 3 or 4 networks shareaza connects to.

[bmc152003]

i started this poll because i recently got rid of k lite because i always had problems with it crashing. and after awhile it would not even return search results for mainstream mp3s and i would have to restart k lite. now im using shareaza 1.8.9.9 abd i havnt had any problems yet. when klite comes out with a new FINAL version i will use that too. i use ares sometimes too.

[nasrules]

I have to disagree with the comments about Shareaza quality being crap. Turn off G1, leave on eDonkey and G2. Great quality files, great speeds.

As a program, Shareaza is way ahead. As a network, it's very close, although I still choose G2 over FastTrack.

[Ken17625]

Apples and oranges.

Fasttrack has 4 million users on any one supernode (on average).


G2 has nowhere near that.


Every other point from that on is preference, and Fanboy's tooting their own horn (and maybe Mike's too).

[Shareaza]

Originally posted by Ken17625
Every other point from that on is preference, and Fanboy's tooting their own horn (and maybe Mike's too).

Eww. Dude.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Originally posted by Ken17625
Apples and oranges.

Fasttrack has 4 million users on any one supernode (on average).




Umm hate to break it to ya Ken but there can't be 4 million people on ONE supernode alone..

[Munchables]

Bitch plz. FT is not only low resource but fast. MP got shit on that. Shareaza is bloted out of contol. Multi-network clients suck.

However multi-network networks are ausome, but they don't exsit yet.

[Dividend]

Could someone please explain to me what a multi-network network is? Perhaps a little insight as to why they are so ausome?

[evilmegaman]

Multi network network protocols do exist. just not for p2p yet. ever heard of jabber? that is one for you. check out www.jabber.org . if you are interested in jabber try out exodus, jajc, or psi. :):wings

[isus]

Originally posted by Evil_Dweller_01
Umm hate to break it to ya Ken but there can't be 4 million people on ONE supernode alone..

yea... maybe 30000 or even 40000... but no. 4 million users would be an enormous strain on any computer or internet connection.

if one search query from kazaa is 1kB going out, and there are 4000000 people on kazaa, it would be safe to assume that every 10 seconds, 1/10 of those people would be searching for something...

so... .1 * 40million = 4million * 1kB = 4million kB = 4 gigabytes.

even in 10 seconds, 4 gigabytes would still be 400mB/s going into the supernode.

(that math might not be all correct... i did it in my head. suffice it to say that 4 million people on one supernode would be horrible for the supernode).

[John W. Lindh]

There are about 1000 users per Supernode, as far as I know.

[Knoxy]

Originally posted by Ken17625
Apples and oranges.

Fasttrack has 4 million users on any one supernode (on average).


G2 has nowhere near that.


Every other point from that on is preference, and Fanboy's tooting their own horn (and maybe Mike's too).

Ken17625,

I have absolutely nothing against you! but your animated images in the bottom left corner are driving me insane... could u change them please? or for my cheek tell me to shut the f@ck up?

No hard feelings Ken

[ROMANTICGUY50]

Originally posted by Ken17625
Apples and oranges.

Fasttrack has 4 million users on any one supernode (on average).


G2 has nowhere near that.


Every other point from that on is preference, and Fanboy's tooting their own horn (and maybe Mike's too).
Fasttrack is still the best there is. Kazaakite K++ is the greatest.
I do use other programs as you can see from the list but..........
for music and most movies or vidioes I use Kazaalite K++
:fire :fire :hole P.S. Hope everyone had a great 4th of July in the US or elsewhere. Peace to all. Hang the RIAA & MPAA

[random nut]

Originally posted by John W. Lindh
There are about 1000 users per Supernode, as far as I know.

The FT network options (at least in Kazaa) only allow up to 1000 clients per supernode. Kazaa further limits this to 600 clients per supernode. Most supernodes I've seen have 100-300 clients. Some (maybe 5-10%) have maximum number of clients (600) or close to that value.

[DIMA2001]

FT uses TCP for communication (HTTP). That makes fast huge searches nearly impossible - your peer has to connect to a supernode to interoperate.
Big values would make too high traffic, what means that the horizon is not really high. Possibly over 300 000, but we should actually ask the projectfasttrack team.

On G2 all hubs are a part of their cluster. A cluster is a virtual server. That means that every hub in the cluster serves directly the leaves of other hubs in the same cluster. That makes your connection more secure against busy hubs.
With a virtual TTL of 2 (1 is local node+leaves) you can really access at least one million, but more are always possible (slower) because the results come back directly per UDP to the peer.

On FT supernodes connect to other supernodes and the searches are sent to your supernode, this supernode routes your search to its leaves and to other supernodes its connected to etc.
I dont know how high the TTL on FT is, but i doubt that with 100-300 leaves it is higher and if supernode connections are higher than 7, the TTL is higher than 5 - the traffic for the supernodes would be much higher.
If a search would go too wide, the traffic for your own supernode would be __too__ high, since for the search of eminem it might even have to return several 10ns or 100 of kilobytes. And you make not only searches, but also find more sources and push requests.

On G2 the hubs dont have such a problem - all results are returned directly to you per UDP. You can really access every peer, but it will take much time. The hubs dont have to route all returned values back. That makes much less traffic ... very much.
And if your peer is firewalled, your hub overtakes your position for getting the results...Then only it has the same situation as on FastTrack, but other hubs are not affected by your passive status.
That allows the whole network to access more than at least a million of users with a virtual TTL of two. Your search will stay routed until the end and the hubs will not be affected by the big traffic since there is no traffic which comes back to them.

That's the trick.

[.::BeatFactory::.]

Originally posted by FrozenShadow23
BLAHBLAHBLAH ... The ONLY problem with shareaza is the lack of users and slow speeds that come of this. In time, I believe that Shareaza will become the leader of shareing. Now if they could only tap into the FastTrack network (prolly not gonna happen, too bad).

It is _very_ possible. MLDonkey is doing it, why can't Shareaza?

[Ken17625]

Umm hate to break it to ya Ken but there can't be 4 million people on ONE supernode alone..

Well, shit happens when you think one thing and type another.

I didn't mean supernode. I was thinking about supernodes at the time of typing, but I actually meant users in general; total.

[BigFatLazyAss]

Hi Guys,
I was a Napster ... loved what it could do, but lots of "noise" and coruption in lots of the downloads. ... it died.

Then I tried Kazza .... lots of spyware and problems (I believe from the spy ware).... I dumped it.

Then I tried Shareasa .... very slow and would not pull up any songs .... not many users. My ISP pulled the plug on me several times for using too much bandwith and one song would take two hours to download ... have no idea what I was doing wrong. It did not work well for me. Total downloads over several months (4)...I dumped it.

Now I am on Kazzalite K++ build Feb,2003 .... LOVE IT! ... has worked very well, very fast, have gotten shut down by my ISP for downloading too much bandwith in too short of time. I have tried limiting how many songs I download per hour. I also feel you are a bit more anonymous because everyone has the same ID name. No spyware and have gotten (in searches) over 200 songs by the artist I was searching for. It ties into the Kazza network, but unlike the Kazza version that requires you to be a big sharer of downloads (if you are, you are bumped up ahead of other downloaders) Kazzalite makes everyone a "Master" and you are not bumped behind others, instead you are bumped ahead. This I like, like I say downloads are fast. I have gotten some bum songs .... (acually, only "Nitty Gritty Dirt Band" ... they look like they are all there, shows a file that seems to be right size, MP3, but nothing plays. either there are a lot of bum files out there, or something ... fixing to dump the bum files.) Some songs cut a bit short.
Anyway ... LOVE MY KazzaLite
(Check out "String Cheese Incident")

[Jon49]

shareazza is improving with every release, but kl is still (just) ahead. you cant beat it for movies or _old_ music (i agree, u cant find a new song there...riaa have thwarted that good).

[Cydor]

Kazaa++ because it's simple and easy to use, you get what you want fast and you go to sleep, it's simple as that

[maartendc]

Sharazaa has a better proggie, better files, good speeds
Kazaa lite has a bad proggie, bad files (corrupted, fake), but loads of users -> excellent speeds...

When kazaa lite closes down, and a lot of users go to Sharazaa, then it will be like Christmas came a month early...

[MP3Pr0]

:green4
I really don't care for either, but when it comes to needing files QUICK, I go to Kazaa Lite. Shareaza looks awesome but hasn't gotten me much of anything besides BitTorrent stuff. It's very unstable on my system, also.

[phalkon30]

K-lite purely based on speed.

[stevedave]

i prefer Kazaalite because i aways had connectivity problems with Shareaza. (I only have a 56K and i live out in the middle of nowhere.)

[suko87tr]

am iMesh 4.1 Clean lol

ok ok i get out

[mp3MaStA88]

even though shareaza supports other networks besides g2, i still think that kazaalite is better, because it doesn't have extra add ons or come w/ spy/adware. kazaa connects to the fasttrack network which is supported by many people around the globe, especially young teens or older adults looking for oldies!

[PowerMan57two]

I personally don't favor in any. Just because K Lite gave me a few viruses a while back when i just installed it clicked the icon and boom got a virus. and for sharaza i just did care for it. only held 1 connection or so.

[crackerjacker]

I like shareaza and I like k ++.
I will not compare a fasttrack client with a gnutella client because the networks are totally different.
But I will say that I do like them because each network has different files I seek.
all good tho
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but I have to be honest about my favorite p2p program if i had to choose hands down it goes to *dogster*.

:)
dogster is the future.
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[BigFatLazyAss]

K Lite gave me a few viruses a while back

Powerman you need to try it again .... that has got to be a rare thing. Did your anti-virus not catch it?

dogster is the future.

Ok CrackerJacker, What is dogster, where do I find more info.

will not compare a fasttrack client with a gnutella client because the networks are totally different

Ok, I am a newby (sorry) but am intensley interested in computers & the p2p ..... as I am understanding, fastrack must be Kazza lite & others that share the same system of delivery. (was Napster a fastrack client?) And gnutella is simular to Gnutello ... Where can i find out more info on these and the differences? I have old books I guess. :fire

[phalkon30]

Ahhh, where to start.

Dogster, is really the forum joke... an un-named meber here wanted to program his own p2p app in C- (not really a programming language). From what I remember, he lied about development, got a few friends together to make it look like something was happening, and tried to con us out of money (or was this a different guy...can't remember that). Anyway, cracker was joking, dogster never is, was, or will be anything.

The fasttrack network is used by Imesh, Kazaa (lite), and grokster. It used to include Morpheous, but kazaa blocked them many versions ago.

Napster, had its own network. I believe it evolved into opennap (there is some connection, I"m pulling a blan right now). Napster is dead, the technology is outdated, and the servers are shut down.

Gnutella, is gnutella, I've never heard of gnutello, I think that must have been a typo :)

Differences? Like what, Gnutella and fasttrack work in similar ways, a user can become a mini server in a way, they keep a list of files for a small group of users. When another user searches for a file, they search these "supernodes", or "leafs" depending on the network.

Not sure what books you read, but they sound not only outdated, but wrong. lol

[hybridclient]

kazaa has no partials !
Multiswarming is not PArtials filesharing.
Especially for movies and log files Sahreaza is much better

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by hybridclient
kazaa has no partials !
Multiswarming is not PArtials filesharing.
Especially for movies and log files Sahreaza is much better

where do i get Sahreaza?

hybridclient, i'm sorry for this in advance but...

will you please stop your incessant ranting about how p2p apps should all do everything perfectly AND exactly the same?!?!