The definitive Clean Imesh vs Kazaalite [Archive]

DIMA2001

July 3rd, 2003, 07:10 AM

imesh has also its own network what increses a chance of getting more sources.

But i still prefer Shareaza instead of fasttrack. RAZA has just everything what FT has and even more ;)

Also, k++ is a hack ... an unfair one and it should be banned forever. If you need a healthy network (fast searches), use clean imesh instead of k++, tell your k++ friends to use clean imesh instead of k++ etc etc.

Imesh has also a much better GUI.

if you use k++, then you don't respect your network. The same is if you use BearShare on Gnutella or BlueDC++ on DC ... or if you use some other hacks. :hole

nasrules

July 3rd, 2003, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by puffdragon
No, clean means spyware/adware has been removed. K++ has asm hacks that improve the functionality of the program, clean imesh does not. You shouldn't make rude comments when you really don't know what you're talking about.

I agree with matt merch, he wasn't being rude, just making a point. And he didn't ask what "clean" meant. He was simply voicing his opinion, which is what these boards are for.

Originally posted by DIMA2001
imesh has also its own network what increses a chance of getting more sources.

But i still prefer Shareaza instead of fasttrack. RAZA has just everything what FT has and even more ;)

Also, k++ is a hack ... an unfair one and it should be banned forever. If you need a healthy network (fast searches), use clean imesh instead of k++, tell your k++ friends to use clean imesh instead of k++ etc etc.

Imesh has also a much better GUI.

if you use k++, then you don't respect your network. The same is if you use BearShare on Gnutella or BlueDC++ on DC ... or if you use some other hacks. :hole

1. I prefer Shareaza to FastTrack, but it simply does not have as much contect as FT does.

2. It may be a hack, but who cares?! The amount of people that use it is minimal compared to the amount that use regular Kazaa.

3. iMesh has a nice GUI, but K-Lite's is only inferior because K++ is to make it work better, not look nice.

Cydor

July 3rd, 2003, 10:00 AM

Imesh is faster for DVD rips......i like it, i use them both

Evil_Dweller_01

July 3rd, 2003, 10:04 AM

If I had to pick..I would choose Clean Imesh

It's just better...speedwise

Ken17625

July 3rd, 2003, 10:16 AM

Soooooooooooooooooooooo...

Since when did clean iMesh have autosearchmore?

How can iMesh compete when it doesn't have infinite searchmore?

The Kazaalite(K++) versions blew clean iMesh out of the water, no question about it.

Sockfulloflove

July 3rd, 2003, 10:53 AM

only problem with imesh is no search more button. i never use autosearchmore, and just did it manually, cause i'm like that.

my answer: grokster :mellow haha why not.

Evil_Dweller_01

July 3rd, 2003, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by Sockfulloflove

my answer: grokster :mellow haha why not.

You are crazy :fire

Brycen257

July 3rd, 2003, 10:39 PM

I have used both Clean Imesh and Kazaa Lite and fo me its no contest . Clean Imesh wins hand down.

isus

July 3rd, 2003, 11:00 PM

i like clean imesh. better ui. and besides, doesn't imesh have it's own network + fasttrack?

Theinfamousone

July 4th, 2003, 04:42 AM

I believe iMesh has its own network on top of FastTrack, but I would assume that FastTrack connects to them as well (hence all the connections to "*****@fileshare"), Kazaa wouldn't put up with iMesh users just leeching off FT. Can someone tell me why iMesh is superior? I really like the GUI for Kazaa, and iMesh's was mediocre last I checked (I haven't tried version 4 yet).

Wow, split 50-50, this is closer than I though.

random nut

July 4th, 2003, 04:48 AM

Originally posted by Theinfamousone
I really like the GUI for Kazaa

Are you kidding me? You like the Kazaa GUI? IMHO, it's one of the ugliest GUIs I've seen. They've had several years to update it to a WinXP GUI for XP users, but the lazy Sharman Networks people don't want to spend money when they can put the money in their pockets instead.

DIMA2001

July 4th, 2003, 05:35 AM

1. I also prefer Shareaza to FT. I always preferred good networks (ed2k & G1+G2). But the topic is KaZaA vs. iMesh ... so i dont talk about Shareaza much.

2. KaZaA has a good gui? I must say that this is only true for blind users ...
Current computers are already able to show more than 3 command buttons and 2 list boxes in standard WinAPI look. The current standards allow us to go away from the grey windows look and use for example the Aqua theme for applications. Or use graphics on buttons instead of text. The KaZaA GUI has also still BUGs - for example sorting of user numbers in the search tab - it is sorted the wrong way.
Also the whole columns in the TreeView control are not properly formatted - to see the file name (not the title) i have to make it bigger and because it is the last column by default, i have to resize it in 3 mm steps.
The Player often doesn't even play mp3 files - WTF??? Are we in the Stone Age?
And the media player *hrmpf* *hrmpf* no comment. (unstable while previewing, no playlists etc).

In imesh i dont have the column prob for example - information about speeds etc can be viewed on the bottom of the transfers tab.
The Media Player allows playlists and has some "advanced features" as shuffle (! :) )
The Icons are very intuitive and look very good.
Languages can be added and changed on-the-fly.
etc.
etc.

All in all - clean imesh is the first choise.

3. I read somewhere that ca. 40% of the users use Klite/K++ instead of KaZaA. 40% ! Thats nearly 50%.
And if AutoSearchMore makes 10 automatic searches in 10, then he steals traffic from 10 legit peers which would like to make a search, too. Of course, ASM doesnt make so many attempts, but ca. 5 in 30 seconds.

The Supernodes have no unlimited bandwidth. If the Supernode can serve 10 requests per second and 10 of 100 users use K++ and send a request per second, other 90 will have to search for other nodes.

Additionally there is a traffic for unblocked Find More Sources every second from tuned K++ nodes.
As i said, K++ should be banned somehow ... and the other kazaa mods.
Plain KLite should stay.

As i said, K++ users dont respect their (loved) network and those who set the requery times on very low values are even asocial
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PS: But i still prefer RAZA ;)

Ne007

July 4th, 2003, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by DIMA2001
imesh has also its own network what increses a chance of getting more sources.

But i still prefer Shareaza instead of fasttrack. RAZA has just everything what FT has and even more ;)

Also, k++ is a hack ... an unfair one and it should be banned forever. If you need a healthy network (fast searches), use clean imesh instead of k++, tell your k++ friends to use clean imesh instead of k++ etc etc.

Imesh has also a much better GUI.

if you use k++, then you don't respect your network. The same is if you use BearShare on Gnutella or BlueDC++ on DC ... or if you use some other hacks. :hole

I couldn't give a rat's ass.....P2P is P2P not P2developer2P.....I respect the filesharers. developers have to realise that people are going to use THE BEST software......and if theirs isn't the best, then step aside and let someone else develop it.

It's not about the developers pride......when someone develops for P2P then all that should get thrown out the window, because it's ALL ABOUT P2P and nothing else.

You sound like the copyright guru's and it gets me nauseated.

Ne007

July 4th, 2003, 06:59 AM

Originally posted by DIMA2001

As i said, K++ should be banned somehow ... and the other kazaa mods.
Plain KLite should stay.

You, sir, are an idiot.

ROMANTICGUY50

July 4th, 2003, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by Theinfamousone
I'm wondering what FastTrack client is the best. An explanation of why you think your prefered client is better would be nice too.

Grokster isn't really that didn't from Kazaa so I didn't include that.

So, let the flaming begin, LOL.
Grokster sucks. I use Imesh clean by (Jamar). My 14yr old daughter likes it the most. However at times I do use Klite K++ soooooooooo. Kazaalte because more people are filesharing and more files are being shared, which is good. I think it's good to use both

ROMANTICGUY50

July 4th, 2003, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by Ne007
You, sir, are an idiot. Post by Dima2001 I just saw this post. I agree with Ne007 100% you are an idiot. There is nothing wrong with Kazaalite K++ .

ROMANTICGUY50

July 4th, 2003, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by DIMA2001
imesh has also its own network what increses a chance of getting more sources.

But i still prefer Shareaza instead of fasttrack. RAZA has just everything what FT has and even more ;)

Also, k++ is a hack ... an unfair one and it should be banned forever. If you need a healthy network (fast searches), use clean imesh instead of k++, tell your k++ friends to use clean imesh instead of k++ etc etc.

Imesh has also a much better GUI.

if you use k++, then you don't respect your network. The same is if you use BearShare on Gnutella or BlueDC++ on DC ... or if you use some other hacks. :hole

I don't agree with your statement that K++ is an unfair one at all. If u see that it should be banned (It's an unfair hack) Aren't all the clean version's then all of them should. I disagree with you 100%. As far as I am concerned you are wrong. No one wants the adware or spyware. If you do fine for you. Not for the rest of us. Thank to the folks at Kazaalite K++ All the fine people working on Kazaalite derserve Kudoes plus(Random Nut for the K++) They all derserve our thanks .Imeshlite. Dr. Damn and Jamar for their versions. I happen to like the extra feature's that Kazaalite K++ has in it. All they did was make a much better program than KMD. I use Kazaalite K++ for certain things and Imeshlite for others

random nut

July 4th, 2003, 08:47 AM

Originally posted by DIMA2001
3. I read somewhere that ca. 40% of the users use Klite/K++ instead of KaZaA. 40% ! Thats nearly 50%.
And if AutoSearchMore makes 10 automatic searches in 10, then he steals traffic from 10 legit peers which would like to make a search, too. Of course, ASM doesnt make so many attempts, but ca. 5 in 30 seconds.

Your sources are not reliable, but the worst part is that you actually believe them. Do you believe in everything you read? There are far less than 40% K++ users, unfortunately. And "40%" being almost 50%, yes, that's true, and 40% is almost 30% too, and almost 100%.

And the autosearchmore tool is part of KL Extensions. FYI, K++ has enabled unlimited search button presses. You could do the same thing with KMD, even if you're only allowed to search twice. Just start a new search after your two presses and do that an infinite amount of time. The same amount of bandwidth is used.

Originally posted by DIMA2001
The Supernodes have no unlimited bandwidth. If the Supernode can serve 10 requests per second and 10 of 100 users use K++ and send a request per second, other 90 will have to search for other nodes.

You're making a lot of assumptions here without backing them up with actual data. Come back whenever you have some real-world statistics.

Originally posted by DIMA2001
Additionally there is a traffic for unblocked Find More Sources every second from tuned K++ nodes.

K++ doesn't find more sources for you.

Originally posted by DIMA2001
As i said, K++ should be banned somehow ... and the other kazaa mods.

You sure sound like the Joltid guys.

Whenever I find out that they've added K++ blocking code in their network code or in Kazaa, I'll just update K++. And there are no K++ vulnerabilities they can use either. BTW, a later K++ version will fix 2-3 new Kazaa/FT vulnerabilities that I found recently. I need to write the exploit code first to test them.

Originally posted by DIMA2001
As i said, K++ users dont respect their (loved) network and those who set the requery times on very low values are even asocial

My advice to you, don't try to be a psychiatrist when you obviously haven't even taken a 101 psychology course.

ROMANTICGUY50

July 4th, 2003, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by random nut
Your sources are not reliable, but the worst part is that you actually believe them. Do you believe in everything you read? There are far less than 40% K++ users, unfortunately. And "40%" being almost 50%, yes, that's true, and 40% is almost 30% too, and almost 100%.

And the autosearchmore tool is part of KL Extensions. FYI, K++ has enabled unlimited search button presses. You could do the same thing with KMD, even if you're only allowed to search twice. Just start a new search after your two presses and do that an infinite amount of time. The same amount of bandwidth is used.

You're making a lot of assumptions here without backing them up with actual data. Come back whenever you have some real-world statistics.

K++ doesn't find more sources for you.

You sure sound like the Joltid guys.

Whenever I find out that they've added K++ blocking code in their network code or in Kazaa, I'll just update K++. And there are no K++ vulnerabilities they can use either. BTW, a later K++ version will fix 2-3 new Kazaa/FT vulnerabilities that I found recently. I need to write the exploit code first to test them.

My advice to you, don't try to be a psychiatrist when you obviously haven't even taken a 101 psychology course.

Random Nut: Kudoes to Yah. Well said.

Theinfamousone

July 6th, 2003, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by ROMANTICGUY50
Post by Dima2001 I just saw this post. I agree with Ne007 100% you are an idiot. There is nothing wrong with Kazaalite K++ .

It shouldn't be a surprise, 75% of us are idiots.

MusikBeatz23

July 13th, 2003, 04:39 PM

Someone most have voted on the poll, I might as well give my opinion I prefer Kazaa Lite I get more results with it and it has a lot more options than Clean iMesh but Clean iMesh is also good I use both but i use Kazaa Lite much more...

Da Game

July 13th, 2003, 04:43 PM

No Contest
Kazaa Lite

IsHaRe2000FilezSueMe

July 31st, 2003, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by Da Game
No Contest
Kazaa Lite

Yeah Kazaa Lite is a mainstream network, that may be easy to a new file sharer user looking to put the world aside to listen to her/his Britney Spears albums. I say Imesh is much better. And now with the RIAA, to a little extent its a little safer.

mp3MaStA88

July 31st, 2003, 09:07 PM

i prefer clean imesh, because it (in my head) is a more user friendly gui, and it has many better themes than kl++. although i use the regular imesh also, i still prefer connecting to the fasttrack network via imesh. i don't like grokster or kazaa anymore! they hog up cpu resources. i would like to use blubster 2.50 clean one by dr damn, but his website was shut down and it doesn't work even if i configure my router!

IsHaRe2000FilezSueMe

July 31st, 2003, 09:13 PM

I hate blubster. Why have adware, and spyware. Yeah it has a nice interface but thats it. I mean it gives no support for people behind a firewall and router.

stealthspy

July 31st, 2003, 11:12 PM

Kazaa Lite is better, but it hurts the network.

FutureIverson

July 31st, 2003, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by nasrules
I agree with matt merch, he wasn't being rude, just making a point. And he didn't ask what "clean" meant. He was simply voicing his opinion, which is what these boards are for.

1. I prefer Shareaza to FastTrack, but it simply does not have as much contect as FT does.

2. It may be a hack, but who cares?! The amount of people that use it is minimal compared to the amount that use regular Kazaa.

3. iMesh has a nice GUI, but K-Lite's is only inferior because K++ is to make it work better, not look nice.

Buddy buddy, kazaa and kazaa lite are on the same network, you just get to use add ins and stuff. i c no reason to use kazaa with kazaa lite out.

for downloaidng movies, imesh is pimped. I mean you can get great speeds, that's why i had the original imesh. I loved imesh until the spyware started affecting me, and their ceo made his comments

stealthspy

July 31st, 2003, 11:17 PM

Kazaa Lite is better, but it hurts the network.

FutureIverson

July 31st, 2003, 11:24 PM

why 2B post, people will see the first one

Theinfamousone

August 1st, 2003, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by stealthspy
Kazaa Lite is better, but it hurts the network.

K++ edition probably does some somewhat adverse things to the network, but what are you gonna do? It helps the network in a lot of ways too though, it makes files get downloaded quicker by finding and using more sources etc.

IsHaRe2000FilezSueMe

August 1st, 2003, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by Theinfamousone
K++ edition probably does some somewhat adverse things to the network, but what are you gonna do? It helps the network in a lot of ways too though, it makes files get downloaded quicker by finding and using more sources etc.

Why have more sources when files become corrupted. I stay stick to imesh. You always find 1 really fast user, and files are fine

FutureIverson

August 1st, 2003, 03:27 PM

Well people who don't delete their fake files will bring them to other networks making the fake situation worse, and even more widespread.

In another issue Kazaa lite hurts p2p, people can use the pl of 1000 and not share a thing, and can block you from browsing their files... they can get away with leeching and it'll look like their some ultimate share pimp who's not afraid of the riaa. kazaa lite is become a leechers gold mine.

kita

August 1st, 2003, 05:55 PM

K++ just for the speed. But I agree the Interface looks horrible & I've found confusing for some people, several of which I've had to help out in setting it up.

P.S. I tried sharezaa for one weekend, when I couldn't get it setup, I was treated like a idiot, by people at the sharezaa Forums & ZP Forums.
When I couldn't get it to connect I was called a bigger idiot & some very unkind names. :shy :devil
When I finally was giving up because I could not get any help, I was told to basically get lost. So I did & so did Sharezaa off my pc.

This is not a "rant" against sharezaa but against the people using it & are already sharezaa experts. Noobies won't become experts without experts helping them out & the program itself will NOT spread. :fire It will die. :cross

And it should be spreading its a great prog. You only need it & it does everything, its the "swiss army knife" of peer to peer.:upside

FutureIverson

August 1st, 2003, 08:56 PM

your right kita we won't get experts unless n00b's get help. But when noob's come with no respect (starting threads) and just ask their question without even trying to see if it's been answeRed (first posT) people get so sick of seing it... daily pretty much that it's not tolerated. the best thing you can do, is by trying to help yourself before asking others to help you.

tidal

August 19th, 2003, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by DIMA2001
imesh has also its own network what increses a chance of getting more sources.

But i still prefer Shareaza instead of fasttrack. RAZA has just everything what FT has and even more ;)

Also, k++ is a hack ... an unfair one and it should be banned forever. If you need a healthy network (fast searches), use clean imesh instead of k++, tell your k++ friends to use clean imesh instead of k++ etc etc.

Imesh has also a much better GUI.

if you use k++, then you don't respect your network. The same is if you use BearShare on Gnutella or BlueDC++ on DC ... or if you use some other hacks. :hole

who cares if it's a hack or not... if it helps you utilize the resources on the network to your advantage than i would call them "features" not hacks... as for respecting my network, respect comes out of sharing files and not leeching... not being able to access resources easier...

pfft, some people and their oversensitive semantics...

Undying Wizard NHD

September 10th, 2003, 07:14 PM

on Imesh I have never got my max download speed of 324 kb/s

on Kazaa Lite I normally download at my Max

so I vote K-LIte

simon_says_horrible

September 10th, 2003, 10:10 PM

iMesh Light (Clean iMesh) is better than Kazaa Lite but if you don't care much about corrupted transfers, use Kazaa Lite instead. However, Shareaza is the most innovative P2P applications out there. All they have to do is more adjustment for 56k users so that Shareaza can achieve the future of P2p.

Bent_Metal

September 20th, 2003, 06:35 AM

Welll.........

everyone here has good points except what this person said Originally posted by DIMA2001 As i said, K++ should be banned somehow ... and the other kazaa mods.
Plain KLite should stay.

:shootDIMA2001thats just rediculous.

anywayyy LOL

i use kazaa lite with the K++ and i use the clean imesh.

i like them both, they are both good. each program has its goods and bads.

all i care about is the amount of users and the avalability of files. the GUI doesnt bother me at all, does it really matter how the GUI looks (obviously it must be presentable) but in the end all a person wants is the files that are there for download.

but also sometimes there can be to many features as that gets mind crushing. although i like lots of extra features, i mean kazaa lite and other versions of it could be more user friendly.
thats what i like about imesh its simple and to the point.

Malicious Intent

September 20th, 2003, 07:31 AM

This may be the first record of a complaint about kazaa being too complicated!
Why do you use both programs? If all you care about is users and files, then surely it doesn't matter which you use as they both connect to Fasttrack.

Bent_Metal

September 20th, 2003, 08:33 AM

Malicious Intent,

iam not complaining at all, just trying to say that a person new to kazaa might not know what they doing with out reading help files and such things. dont get me wrong i love kazaa, its awsome.

well when i first started filesharing i wanted to see which program i like the best so i got clean imesh and kazaa and desided to stay with kazaa lite as it has more features and things like that.

hope this better explains myself.

Malicious Intent

September 20th, 2003, 08:42 AM

Yeah, sorry, "complaint" was the wrong word to use, but I can't think of a better one.
I wouldn't have thought that help files were needed for k-lite, but that may be becuase I've had the advantage of learning each new feature one at a time as they are added with each release.

You have made yourself perfectly clear. Thankyou. =:-)

Bent_Metal

September 20th, 2003, 08:51 AM

Malicious Intent;

:;) hehe no problem mate, its all good :;)

:gj

DemonusAE

September 20th, 2003, 09:26 AM

Many people have different opinions about different file sharing networks. What works for one person may not work for the other. Some people say they get the best out of Fast Track, some people like me don't. So I'm going to put my 2 cents here keep in mind that this is something that has happened to me and I may well be the minority....

I started of in the Fast Track Network. So I thank thee oh great Fast Track network for all the many files you helped me obtained. * moment of silence and reflection * That being said, I can start flaming it.

Problems with Fast Track:

1) Leechers...leechers are everywhere but damn!! They mostly reside within the FT network. These are your basic selfish ignorant people that want to reep the spoils of file sharing without giving anything back.

subnote: For every 100 nasty leechers, there is 1 savior of p2p that shares over 100 gigs. * opens a beer * Here's to you guys!! * drinks *

2) Kazaa lite is good. Nice program with really good features ( compared to Kazaa ). Problem: All those nice indefinate " Search Mores " that people use reek havoc upon the network. Those accelerators and " More Sources " applications do the same.

subnote: I run a network in a university. I seperated a subnetwork for people to share files. When people started showing up with Kazaa Lite and used the features formentioned network traffic went through the roof. Now...there were fewer kazaa lite users and they were getting their downloads alright, but the rest of the users using kazaa and their downloads deminished drastically. So they all got Kazaa Lite....take a guess at what happened. Everybody's download went down to a crawl. So I banned Fast Track overall. Now things are cool.

3) Fast Track Network has so many misleading files. By the Gods!!!!! Why would mortals do such a thing!!! But they do, and it bites the big one.

The good thing:

It's easy to use...plug it up and start sharing.

To all those that feel diferent, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But just in case, be hipmotized by the bouncing frog and agree with me completely.............. :fire

Theinfamousone

September 20th, 2003, 09:31 AM

Bent_Metal, how would you make it easier? Unless you are a serious 12 o'clock flasher (all the appliances in your house flash 12:00) then you should know that you double click on the Kazaa icon, if you want to search, you click on the search tab, and in type in what to search for, then double click on what it found for you. K++ has a few more options, that newbies might not understand like port stuff.

I'd like to see an iMesh++ version too. To get rid of the download limit, and mod it so it finds more sources.

Bent_Metal

September 20th, 2003, 11:08 AM

Theinfamousone; Bent_Metal, how would you make it easier? Unless you are a serious 12 o'clock flasher (all the appliances in your house flash 12:00) then you should know that you double click on the Kazaa icon, if you want to search, you click on the search tab, and in type in what to search for, then double click on what it found for you. K++ has a few more options, that newbies might not understand like port stuff.

I'd like to see an iMesh++ version too. To get rid of the download limit, and mod it so it finds more sources.

ok welll ....

if i was to think on how to improve kazaa lite; if i was going to improve the experice the new users have with kazaa lite for example i would include hints or tips that come up, that could get anoying though, so perhaps configuration of kazaa options and the options of K++ could be included in the installation process. if not that then perhaps a new layout of how kazaa lite is currently to something more user friendly. perhaps the choosing of prefference's can be made easier by including a button called "K++" where u click it and the k++ menu comes down, where it is organised into catagories that expand into the preff's for that catagory (for example in IE6 next to "tools" there is "help" lets pretend that the help is "k++" and when u click "k++" a menu comes down just like as when u click "help" in IE6, only difference is that whats under the k++ menu is in catagories and will expand.)

and

maybe the "search more" option can be limited with in the program coz that "search more" hurts the network. maybe limit it to 2 or 3 times per search or something.

i dunno what do u ppl think?