Old Zeropaid Mantra?

[Sephiroth]

This thread must have gotten erased when the site was down earlyer today. So this thread would have to be reposted..

Sorry for any inconvience.

[Induna]

I was looking through some of the old news articles and found this message, apparently by the CEO of Zeropaid,


"The major problem with selling digital media on the internet today is rampant piracy through file sharing programs like KaZaA, gnutella, and WinMX. Protecting your content with DRM is the only way to profit in this arena." Chris Hedgecock CEO Zeropaid.

It seems an ironic thing to say, considering what type of site this is.

Here's the source: http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/07022001a

[Sephiroth]

This has been bought up over and over and over.

There is alot of people who mistake this as a warez site and make warez posts fairly regularly which we have to get rid of. Because this isnt a warez site its a information site.

Does ones opinion on DRM prevent them from relaying information about p2p? I dont think so.. and nor have anything like that has been done so assume and be critical on this is really not fair and unjustified.

Also i dont see why anyone cares because the attitude of the majority is that you will always be able to circumvent it anyways.

So its also ironic that you would even be worried about it.

[Induna]

I'm well aware this is an information site, having both sides of the argument heard without bias, well, most of the time. I actually said something of this effect in my original message before it became lost in cyberspace. Im not sure why I changed it.

How about,


"...considering the type of people who visit this site." ie: file traders, who promote rampant piracy through file sharing programs like KaZaA, gnutella, and WinMX.


It just seems like an inappropriate thing to say.

Who exactly was the message aimed at?

[Sephiroth]

If your going to make accusations with quotes and try to cause another debate that has been done NUMBEROUS times in the past you should provide the info on the quote.

I couldnt find where it can from and i wouldnt be quick to assume things if i were you especially when your arguing that this has some effect on things on how the site is ran when it hasnt and isnt a big deal.

Which if your just trying to start some crap which it seems to me that is what your doing.

[Induna]

Right, first off I'm going to ask you to calm down, breathe deeply and relax. You seem awfully defensive, for reasons unbeknownst to me.

Firstly, I haven't made any accusations, which in itself is ironic, seeing as you was quick judge me on a number of issues, that I will touch upon shortly. I merely posed a question. If you are suggesting that implied something from it then I apologise for easily misleading you, that wasn't my intention. I was simply curious, that is all. I have no hidden agenda to cause a riot, or worse, uncover the sinister face behind Zeropaid that has fooled us for so long. Also, you claim this debate has taken place numerous times before, with great emphisis on the word numerous. Well, again I must apologise, I was completely unaware that this debate had taken place on numerous occasions previous.

Next, you demanded I provide info on the quote, like I somehow took what was said out of context. Well first I provided a link to where I saw the quote, it was from a message that Jorge had put up and what appears to be a signature of some sorts. Now, if we use simple logic we should ask ourselves, if the message was taken out of context then why would Jorge do that? Of course, Jorge has no reason to do so, seeing as he is Chris' partner here at ZP, so we must assume that the message was clear and concise in it's meaning, which leads us back to my original query, namely, why would he say that in the first place?

Judging from your heated, and at times abrasive response, it appears you don't know, which leads me ask myself, perhaps I'm talking to the wrong person. All you had to say was, I don't know Induna, not throw a number of accusations at me like you was some sort of online barrister.

For what it's worth I agree with you on the point that this isn't at all relevant to how Zeropaid is run today. The quote was from two years past. Look at the title of the thread, it was joke. I wasn't expecting you to take it so seriously. It's not like we're working in a Japanese factory, where we're expected to have to do ten minutes of star jumps, beat our chests and proudly proclaim our sacred mantra at the top of our voices everytime we log on to Zeropaid.

But what's happened here is interesting. Whether by design or fault, I feel forced to analyse your ability to debate in a calm, rational and objective manner. You accused me of the very same things you did. I don't want to bring up potentially inflammatory words such as hypocrite, or power-hungry, blinkered buffoon, becuase not only is it non-constructive, it also underminds the point I'm trying to make here, that maybe you should not be quick to judge others. If I was being deliberately inflammatory I would have said something like, So how's Chris fitting in with his work colleagues at Microsoft? And why would I have posted this message in such a dormant forum as this? To maximise any potential unrest I would have posted it in the more frequented Lounge.

So please, don't be too quick to judge me or others. That's all I ask. I beg thee to give me the benefit of the doubt next time.

[cheapprick]

This has been beaten to death so I won't comment at all. However, the quotes you are attributing to Jorge weren't really by him. Another member found a way to change what name they posted under in the news section. It has since been fixed as far as I know.

[FileHoover]

Originally posted by Induna
I was looking through some of the old news articles and found this message, apparently by the CEO of Zeropaid,


"The major problem with selling digital media on the internet today is rampant piracy through file sharing programs like KaZaA, gnutella, and WinMX. Protecting your content with DRM is the only way to profit in this arena." Chris Hedgecock CEO Zeropaid.

It seems an ironic thing to say, considering what type of site this is.

Here's the source: http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/07022001a
A lot of people on this site cannot tell the difference between an opinion, a prediction, a preference and a fact.

Sounds to me like he was simply stating a prediction/fact. A person can recognize the truth even if he doesn't agree with it. There is nothing inappropriate about that.

The only inppropriate things on this web site, are things that Krell doesn't like.