I've had an Idea

[Comax]

Ok I posted the stuff below as while ago and got slated for it (mostly) have a look at www.spankdonkey.com they are trying somthing along the lines of what i suggested.

"Hello,
I have an Idea.
What if you create a new brand of p2p software that is free for home users only.
If a Business wishes to uses it charge them some totally stupid amount
(i.e. $1,000,000,000,000,000)
Meaning they cannot search the networks legally because they have used your software without permission. Also add in stuff like 'reverse engineering of this programme is prohibited'.

Make it so they couldn't legally touch the programme and therefore couldn't not gather evidence.

Oh the irony. Using there own copyright laws against them."

[mp3master1215]

Originally posted by Comax
Hello,
I have an Idea.
What if you create a new brand of p2p software that is free for home users only.
If a Business wishes to uses it charge them some totally stupid amount
(i.e. $1,000,000,000,000,000)
Meaning they cannot search the networks legally because they have used your software without permission. Also add in stuff like 'reverse engineering of this programme is prohibited'.

Make it so they couldn't legally touch the programme and therefore couldn't not gather evidence.

Oh the irony. Using there own copyright laws against them. that is a good idea but the problem is i dont know how to make programs

[Comax]

:)
It more of a shout out to anyone who has made or is thinking of making a prog.
Even if the new version of eDonkey made this change it might help.
Although they would have to change there protocols slightly

[cpugeniusmv]

well...it's difficult to put my thoughts into words...

but that just wouldn't work.

sorry :-\

[notbob]

Originally posted by Comax
Hello,
I have an Idea.
What if you create a new brand of p2p software that is free for home users only.
If a Business wishes to uses it charge them some totally stupid amount
(i.e. $1,000,000,000,000,000)
Meaning they cannot search the networks legally because they have used your software without permission. Also add in stuff like 'reverse engineering of this programme is prohibited'.

Make it so they couldn't legally touch the programme and therefore couldn't not gather evidence.

Oh the irony. Using there own copyright laws against them.

you don't even see the irony

make a program that violates laws because it doesn't pay royalties to copyright holders, then expecting those same copyright holders to pay YOU a royalty

in the UK they'd call you a thicko

[matstao]

Originally posted by Comax
Make it so they couldn't legally touch the programme and therefore couldn't not gather evidence.


So you want to write a programme that forces them to constantly gather evidence?

Sarcastic grammatical criticism aside, your idea isn't very good..

[isus]

sounds good coming out of the mouth/brain/whatever, but it would never work.

just bc, it wouldn't.

somebody could try though, just to see what happened.

[Comax]

I wasn't trying to provok anyone.

notbob

'make a program that violates laws because it doesn't pay royalties to copyright holders, then expecting those same copyright holders to pay YOU a royalty'

It's not a money making idea it's a security thing to stop p2p user getting large lawsuit thrown at them.


matstao

'So you want to write a programme that forces them to constantly gather evidence?'

No you've missed the point. They couldn't gather evidence as they themselves would be breaking the copyright laws by doing so. (i.e. using your program and server without permission).

[Theinfamousone]

I am no legal expert, but it sounds to me that technically it would work, but what if the FBI got involved, they're not a business, or the press, or any other loop holes that would expose the fact that illegal stuff was going on, and then judges wouldn't let it stand up in court for a second.

[Mel_Smiley]

I think It would be good to add into the legal stuff I never read just to give it a go. Sounds good to me comax. Anything to stretch out a lawsuit case. You never can tell what can happen in the U.S. justice legal system.

[Lamourlady]

ahhh, the ideas churning around in these youngster's heads.
fact is though, that some of the most ingenius ideas, came about in just the same manner.
only they didn't share them with everyone.
even though some may not be plausible...u just wait.
just one of them will be the breakthrough of p2p or any other wonderful technological revolution.
keep on thinking and inventing little ones, for u r our futures and lo and behold....u may change the face of our grey-headed futures.
;)

[matstao]

Comax, you missed my point. I was just making a joke about your double negative.

[Tremaine]

That idea wouldn't work they still would use it anyways you can't tell that some one is working for a corporation if they log in they can always get on the network on another ip. It's like its illegal to jaywalk but people are still going to do it.

[aqlo]

Joe works for a big record company and is assigned to shut down Free4u or whatever your program is called. He downloads it free in his own home as a home user, works with it for a while and makes himself an expert witness. Returning to work, he punches in at the timeclock and uses his newfound education at your trial. You go to jail.

[Comax]

Add a clause in the programs terms of use prohibiting the use of the programme by um...
hmm....
yes it is tricky.


Got it. It can't be used by employees of the entertainment industry.

Ok thats poor but still i'd rather see the legal system protecting users of p2p then attacking them.

By adding legal stuff to your p2p progs you'd be able to sue companies like NET PD or other copyright searching people (Net police) for touching your software.

Imagin that! No more emails form pissed off ISP's saying "YOU HAVE BEEN SUSPECTED OF HOSTING COPYRIGHTED MATRIAL! STOP SHARING NOW"

Granted I doubt you can do the same with the FB* I (do they check forums like this?) but it would half the amount of problems you currently get and grind the legal system to a crawl.
As Mel_Smiley.

And all it would take is a little typing in the terms and conditions part of a prog! :)
Now I'm feeling very smug so I'm going to bed.

Good Night.

oh and sorry to matstao for my lack of reading properly

[isus]

Originally posted by matstao
Comax, you missed my point. I was just making a joke about your double negative.

i didn't even notice the double post. lol. but i get the joke now that i know where your joke came from. mwahaha.

[Lucian]

I wonder if krell will respond to this one.

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by Lucian
I wonder if krell will respond to this one.

would you like for me to summon him?


OH great and alimghty Krell, hear my pleas....

[Undermind]

Originally posted by Lucian
I wonder if krell will respond to this one.


dunno, but they killed your last one, what did you say man? or was it me? ahhhhhhhh who knows anymore? they're not gonna explain it and frankly I don't give a shit anymore

[Comax]

By clicking on the donkey below, you agree to abide by the terms of this site. SpankDonkey.Com DOES NOT and WILL NOT host illegally stored copyrighted files (so you're in the wrong place if you want that kind of thing). By clicking below & entering the site you agree to abide by the law - you must also agree that you are not a law-enforcement agent, employed or contracted to the MPAA or RIAA. You also agree that you are not viewing this website for the purpose of a potential or on-going legal investigation. We do not knowingly violate copyright law and all enquiries must, in the first instance, be addressed to the webmaster for investigation.

[jonnymnemonic]

Even if all that worked (which it wouldn't) the simple workaround is for the RIAA to offer a reward to people who present credible evidence against those breaking the law on this system, and as the financial reward, they get 10 percent of the resulting lawsuits. Cha ching! You'd have a mad scramble of people who actually do believe in copyrights and the freedoms of the crators of the world, who don't work for the RIAA, or any government, lurking around grabbing IP addresses and file lists, even enticing information from chats perhaps. They'd be thinking to themselves: "Do a good deed and I could get 15 grand PER SONG [10 percent] for doing it!"

Money talks! ;)

And of course the FBI *would* be there, and then the punishments wouldn't just be a monetary out-of-court settlement slap on the wrist, it'd be time in a cell with Bubba Longschlong and his irrational preference for blowjobs from skinny young music downloaders.

[jonnymnemonic]

Ya know, if you add something like "you must also agree that you are not a law-enforcement agent, employed or contracted to the MPAA or RIAA. You also agree that you are not viewing this website for the purpose of a potential or on-going legal investigation" to a disclaimer, that phrasing all by itself might be sufficient reason for a judge to issue a warrant to the FBI to investigate.

I mean, if it's all legal and kosher, why is it you don't want the people in charge of keeping things legal and kosher looking around? Judges aren't that dumb, and I bet it'd take no time at all to find one to issue a warrant based solely on that disclaimer's wording. Would it get overturned in court? Maybe. But maybe not. Would YOU risk a year with Bubba Longschlong for some music to find out though? I wouldn't, but if you would, well, more power to ya. The more people willing to go to court over songs, the less chance I'll ever be one of em. ;)

[aqlo]

By clicking on the donkey below, you agree to abide by the terms of this site. Tons of web sites with this sort of disclaimer going to jail. You are not entitled to reserve any rights to yourself which you do not actually have. Specifically, it is not feasible to exclude employees of an industry, though you may do so with single companies so long as you have restraining orders in place against them which you are merely drawing attention to (not otherwise.) Also, language intended to exclude law enforcement can be construed as incriminating evidence, grounds for a warrant, and proof of premeditation.

This is a bad idea.

[shawners]

Originally posted by notbob
you don't even see the irony

make a program that violates laws because it doesn't pay royalties to copyright holders, then expecting those same copyright holders to pay YOU a royalty

in the UK they'd call you a thicko

Isnt that what happend to kazaa, using the DMCA against kazaa lite, and saying its illegal to change software and so on.. Other networks post copyprotection on a file system that transfers copy protected work.

[thongsai]

u really want to test this? make somethin like "by entering this website u cannot throw me in jail for having child pornography." those disclaimers dont mean shit.. go some1 prove me wrong..:mellow

[Winphuk]

All I can say is just do it and see if it works.

[tMoD]

Doesn't KaZaA have in its EULA that you can't use the program to gather information on individual users? There is a legitimate privacy concern there. Sharman might have a civil case against the RIAA for violating the EULA.

[TheBlackSnow]

It's an interesting idea. But I think the RIAA would find this sam 1.000.000...$ of money, hehehe :D

[The Hunter]

will you please check the date of some of the posts you are replying to? Some of these threads are quite old.

[TheBlackSnow]

It's an interesting idea, but I think the RIAA would find this sam 1.000.000..$ of money, hehehe :D

[TheBlackSnow]

Ok, sorry, I will not reply old threads more.

[The Hunter]

i just wanted you to know that you were bumping a lot of old threads thats all.

[shawners]

ahh hunter. dont tell me its a crime to to reply to old threads.. LOOKED at the date modestas joined. Its best if he does history to join in on todays forums =)

[The Hunter]

Cough, ahem, i just wasnt sure that he realized that he was replying to old threads, and not current ones.

[total_982]

look simply file sharing has got so big the companys r losing millions if not billions a year and they will do everything and anything they can to stop us the key is to b smarter and work together to make the filesharing community so strong it would b impossible to break- obviouse i know. plus i can't spell that good.
hey if people started to think about ways to make file sharing better and ways of getting around laws like comax has been doin then mayb we could beat these bastards (even though technically we r in the wrong)
remember

BFairNShare
:angel

[Nolanistic]

What if you set up a system that used SSL for Transfers? Or MD5? Put a clause in the EULA that you could not reverse engineer the program and that using the program to gather info on people is against the terms of the license. If the RIAA broke the encryption in order to track users they'd be directly contravening the DMCA, would they not?

[Ne007]

Well...if they copyright their technology, then corporations would have to pay royalties if they want to use it.....maybe something to think about for the future.

[Afn]

hey if people started to think about ways to make file sharing better and ways of getting around laws like comax has been doin then mayb we could beat these bastards
:angel
As information becomes more distributed, the media empires look more and more silly. Cable companies stand to loose billions of dollars if people bypass traditional media and use p2p technologies.

Companies like comcast and time warner make millions of dollars in selling cable access.
My point is, big media may want you to subscribe, but at some point, big media will want you to play by it's subscriber game rules, not yours.