Why the RIAA executives are retarded

[Triple_T]

1) They think that they can scare us by sending threatening E-mails and such, when most of us dont even enter our real E-mail accounts into the sign up screen for P2P networks, and my ISP provided E-mail i had disabled, so how will the get to me. Also they are telling us it is only scare tactics, if soemoen was to point a gun at you, you would be scared, what if you were told it was fake?

2)They threaten us by telling us they will delete our computers, when in fact I have firewalls and i really don't think it is possible to pass throught all of that protection, so another plan scratched.

3)They have never thought of LOWERING CD PRICES. Hey that would be the easiest thing to do, hell if a CD cost like 5 bucks at most i might consider buying it, not that 15-20 dollar shit when all you really want to hear is a couple of good songs on it, when the rest is shit.

4)All talk but no show, they can talk the talk but can't walk the walk. They haven't done anything and have been threatening us for what? Months?

[mp3master1215]

so true so true

[Allis]

Originally posted by Triple_T
1) They think that they can scare us by sending threatening E-mails and such, when most of us dont even enter our real E-mail accounts into the sign up screen for P2P networks, and my ISP provided E-mail i had disabled, so how will the get to me. Also they are telling us it is only scare tactics, if soemoen was to point a gun at you, you would be scared, what if you were told it was fake?

2)They threaten us by telling us they will delete our computers, when in fact I have firewalls and i really don't think it is possible to pass throught all of that protection, so another plan scratched.

3)They have never thought of LOWERING CD PRICES. Hey that would be the easiest thing to do, hell if a CD cost like 5 bucks at most i might consider buying it, not that 15-20 dollar shit when all you really want to hear is a couple of good songs on it, when the rest is shit.

4)All talk but no show, they can talk the talk but can't walk the walk. They haven't done anything and have been threatening us for what? Months?

1) They don't get your email from the P2P software. Your court order will be issued through the mail, or hand delivered.

2) No-one can delete a computer. A firewall won't protect you.

3) You wouldnt buy a CD at $5. Why? Because you can get it for FREE.

4) It's called the legal system. Things don't resolve themselves overnight

[Triple_T]

Allis, abviously you dont know what you are talking about, because firewalls will protect you, it will block unwanted IP addresses and will stop any sort of attack on your computer OF ANY KIND!!!!!! so instead of just talking shut the fuck up and know the facts. Also how will the RIAA know who i am when they cant find any information on my throught my ISP or anything? my ISP has a strict privacy act, the guy i work with owns my ISP he refuses to give up any information of the sort. You are a real idiot

[Allis]

Originally posted by Triple_T
Allis, abviously you dont know what you are talking about, because firewalls will protect you, it will block unwanted IP addresses and will stop any sort of attack on your computer OF ANY KIND!!!!!! so instead of just talking shut the fuck up and know the facts. Also how will the RIAA know who i am when they cant find any information on my throught my ISP or anything? my ISP has a strict privacy act, the guy i work with owns my ISP he refuses to give up any information of the sort. You are a real idiot

OK, ignoring your bad English, bad grammar, and your childish and offensive remarks, I will reply to your post.

How does your firewall know what an 'unwanted' IP is?

Firewalls aren't impenetrable, do some research, or ask your "ISP owner" work colleague.

All ISPs claim to be big on user privacy, but the reality is different. And the legal system might have something to say. Haven't you been keeping up with what's happening?

You probably don't understand your ISPs privacy act.

I won't call you an idiot, or say you don't know what you're talking about because anyone reading your posts can make up their own mind.

[eruhk]

Originally posted by Triple_T
Allis, abviously you dont know what you are talking about, because firewalls will protect you, it will block unwanted IP addresses and will stop any sort of attack on your computer OF ANY KIND!!!!!! so instead of just talking shut the fuck up and know the facts. Also how will the RIAA know who i am when they cant find any information on my throught my ISP or anything? my ISP has a strict privacy act, the guy i work with owns my ISP he refuses to give up any information of the sort. You are a real idiot

um. actually they're right and you're wrong. on all accounts. i wasn't going to bother mentioning it but you just totally exploded for no good reason. they can get your account information from your isp, or your isp is obstructing justice, which will land THEM with a felony charge. you're not that important to them. and you don't seem to understand the concept of a firewall. you can let it what you expect to be let in, you let out what you expect to be let out. the riaa isn't going to be fucking portscanning, they're going through peer to peer programs. and peerguardian isn't the catchall defense people seem to think it is. it blocks known ips. how many billions do you suppose there are that are unknown.

it's fine to be optimistic, and despite your individual arguments being grossly inaccurate your point is correct, which i gather is that this is more or less going to blow over for those exercising some amount of caution.

still, no reason to call people ignorant when they're just trying to inform you.

[crackerjacker]

Allis, abviously you dont know what you are talking about, because firewalls will protect you, it will block unwanted IP addresses and will stop any sort of attack on your computer OF ANY KIND!!!!!! so instead of just talking shut the fuck up and know the facts. Also how will the RIAA know who i am when they cant find any information on my throught my ISP or anything? my ISP has a strict privacy act, the guy i work with owns my ISP he refuses to give up any information of the sort. You are a real idiot

um, no your misinformed. before calling some one an idiot you should do some research. obviously you dont know shit about networks or firewalls.
so next time you run you mouth you should back it up.
nuff said *feker*

[eruhk]

Originally posted by Allis
3) You wouldnt buy a CD at $5. Why? Because you can get it for FREE.

also, i would argue against that. filesharing has affected my purchasing habits. i buy a bit more, i don't buy cds (because i realized how insanely inflated they are), and i buy from a much wider spectrum of artists.

and in general i don't feel ripped off anymore, because i know what to expect from an artist before i buy some of their music. filesharing WILL destroy the riaa, but not for the reasons they think. the more music people listen the more they know what they like, and as they come to develop personal taste they realize what utter crap the riaa artists are pushing.

[theone1985]

Now I know a lot about computers, and wouldn't the RIAA have to get into the database, or do they plan to add things to songs to find out who downloads what. I always thought hacking was illegal and if they go into the database that is illegal without permission. So we could sue them.

[Allis]

Originally posted by theone1985
Now I know a lot about computers, and wouldn't the RIAA have to get into the database, or do they plan to add things to songs to find out who downloads what. I always thought hacking was illegal and if they go into the database that is illegal without permission. So we could sue them.

Read the many news stories about security on the front page of this site.

[Psilaxs]

I dont think that guy will be coming back any time soon.

Can't say he didnt bring it upon himself though.

[Triple_T]

Allis,

I am not convined that you really know nothing about computers at all. First of all, the ISP is a small local ISP that supports broadband and probably has maybe 75 users at most. Secondly, incase you haven't noticed almost all firewalls and internet security programs block unwanted ISP's by indentifying them with another internal program and then blocking it. Norton Internet Security Corporate Edition does this the best. So insted of opening your mouth and sounding stupid, know the facts.

[fernandez]

Triple_T try the following link. ISP's have to reveal the identities of users.

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/06042003d

[Allis]

Originally posted by Triple_T
Allis,

I am not convined that you really know nothing about computers at all. First of all, the ISP is a small local ISP that supports broadband and probably has maybe 75 users at most. Secondly, incase you haven't noticed almost all firewalls and internet security programs block unwanted ISP's by indentifying them with another internal program and then blocking it. Norton Internet Security Corporate Edition does this the best. So insted of opening your mouth and sounding stupid, know the facts.

It doesnt matter what size your ISP is. It sounds like a vISP to me.

You've made a fool of yourself oncer already, please dont start doing it again. Check the news on the front page.

Tell me how "internet security programs block unwanted ISP's by indentifying them with another internal program". Cos I don't really understand that, and you obviously have full knowledge.

HOW DOES IT KNOW WHAT EVERY "UNWANTED" IP IS?

I'll give you 2 days to go ask your ISP friend. Get back to us with your (his) answers.

[CTC Command]

C'mon folks--especially new people--tone down the use of profanity and flaming. This thread is currently listed on the main the main page of Zeropaid. I am not stifling the concourse of free speech here, but this is a family-friendly site.

Say what you mean, mean what you say, but don't say it mean. Free advice to Triple_T & Allis especially. I am not a mod, but I can guarantee you guys if you keep it up the mods will shut down your threads and ultimately ban you if you can't have a civil discussion.

Now go play nice!

[inflikted_damage]

To those of you fighting over the firewall deflecting unwanted ISP topic, my firewall blocks everything and only lets in what I tell it to. I have a list of everything that is allowed to pass, so naturally anything not on the list will be blocked--wanted and unwanted.

About the size of the ISP, that has nothing to do with whether or not your account info is going to be given if asked for. If there's a law saying that an ISP must give that info if asked, then EVERY ISP will have to do this. Having a small ISP won't protect you from that. Sorry to say =\

If something I've said is bogus, somebody please let me know. For your benefit and mine.

[phalkon30]

Originally posted by inflikted_damage
To those of you fighting over the firewall deflecting unwanted ISP topic, my firewall blocks everything and only lets in what I tell it to. I have a list of everything that is allowed to pass, so naturally anything not on the list will be blocked--wanted and unwanted.
Yes, you can do this with a NAT router also, but if you are file sharing, you allow acess to that program. Guess where any incriminating evidence will come from.

The RIAA does not go port probing looking for an open hole just to hack into the computer and search for files, thats way too much work and VERY illeagle. They monitor what you share on file sharing networks.

I'm not trying to scare you, or make you look like an idiot, but you aren't as secure as you make yourself think.

[inflikted_damage]

Yes, this is true. I'm thinking the other people who were arguing over the firewall safety issue were talking about people coming onto their computer to look for stuff. Like a spy or something. P2P programs are like a doorway for people to look at all the stuff you're sharing and downloading, so it is indeed very unsafe. I think what triple T is forgetting is that it doesn't matter how well your firewall works, if you've got kazaa opened and sharing and someone from the RIAA decides to do a check on people downloading large amounts of stuff, they'll have perfect access to what they want to find. You've cleared kazaa to be browsed, I believe, and therefore are not safe from others. Am I right, Phalkon?

[phalkon30]

Sorry, maybe I shouldn't have quoted you, it was dirrected more at triple_t.

Yeah, thats what I'm trying to get at, if you allow it go see kazaa, it doesn't matter how big your firewall is, you're open to the kazaa network, which is all they need.

BTW, welcome to ZP inflikted_damage

[Sephiroth]

btw the new RIAA president is Cary Sherman.. Be sure to make him feel as welcomed as hillary was.

[Tremaine]

Originally posted by phalkon30
Sorry, maybe I shouldn't have quoted you, it was dirrected more at triple_t.

Yeah, thats what I'm trying to get at, if you allow it go see kazaa, it doesn't matter how big your firewall is, you're open to the kazaa network, which is all they need.

BTW, welcome to ZP inflikted_damage
Therefor triple_t is correct if he says he blocks everthing that he sets his firewall up to block, but p2p software is an open gateway to your computer. Remember anything in the computer world can be hacked and there is always a way to get around things.

[paranoia]

umm...i thought firewalls block all ip's from excessing ur computer unless u specify which ip's u want in....

i may be mistaken so bite my head off if u think im wrong... all i know is that i think this is how MY firewall works

[Triple_T]

Yea dont listen to them, they dont know what you are talking about, in order for them to find out all the information on you is to check further into your IP Address so you firewall will block that attempt, and your ISP will be told to provide information, but if you know your ISP like myself, then you can have any of that information passed off as not existing, or say that it was spoofed.

[inflikted_damage]

Paranoia -

Firewalls do block all IPs but the ones you want. When you tell the firewall to allow Kazaa to access the internet, you're allowing everything that goes in and out through that program. It acts like a window through the firewall for as long as you've got Kazaa running. Does that make any sense? So you're not wrong, you're just missing a crucial detail in why anyone using file-sharing software is at risk. As long as you have access to the file sharing network, anyone can see the files you're sharing if they wished. Your firewall can do nothing about that.

[stevedave]

In kazaalite you can change your settings so that no one can get a full list of your files. Thus making it harder for them to find out if you are sharing thousands of files or not. The RIAA is only hassleing the people who have a lot of files at this time.

I'm not sure if it really stops them from getting a list but it couldn't hurt to enable it.

By the way Triple T, firewalls do not hide your identity on your filesharing network. The RIAA can find all that they need to know about you through the port that your filesharing program uses. The firewall has to leave that port accessable for the program to work. Through that they can get your IP address. You can slow them down with a proxy but those too can be sued to get your real ip address.

[MVDU]

How about when your router and firewall combine to show an IP address that's different than your real one? That happens with me - does it help?

[stevedave]

I think it should help but i don't really have much experience with that.

[inflikted_damage]

Since the filesharing program leaves that port accessible for the duration that it is on, and the riaa can conceivably access your ip as they wish, what can be done to protect p2p users from that? Does it basically come down to blocking certain IPs from entering your computer? If so, file sharers aren't gonna get too far in protecting themselves from the prying eyes of the riaa and whatnot.

[Alex60]

Hi guys,
well,some people here doesn't really understand the networking, ip, firewall etc
Guys, firewall DOES NOT BLOCKING your IP address, so it DOES NOT protect you!!!, you can block some ports to protect your computer from unauthorized access through the ports, but that's it! All the riaa need fotr catch you , just to see your IP address in the kazaa (for exapmle), once they know the IP address, thats mean they know your IP provider (not your name or home address or email !) and that is all they need, after that they contacting your IP provider and requesting info about you.
remember Verizon???
I heard some ip address blocking soft in development, need keep eye on it :-))
everyone have a great day and please be polite, don't call each other idiot or so.
Alex

[Theinfamousone]

Triple T, let's say I have a firewall, I block all ports but 1214 which is the one I let Kazaa use. Now, say I search for eminem and download a file, and my firewall asks me if I want to connect to some Joe Shmoe user in Seattle with IP address xx.xxx.xxx.xxx and I give it permission because I want the file. What good is a computer or the $53/month I'm paying my ISP if I can't download eminem right?

Then the RIAA does some searching of their own and searches for Britney Spears and starts downloading it, it connects to 4 people and starts downloading, I am one of those 4 people they are downloading from, I give my firewall permission to connect with the RIAA because I didn't know it was the RIAA, I thought it was another Joe Shmoe user trying to get Britney Spears from me. They do a quick netstat and find out that my IP address is XX.XXX.XXX.XXX and it goes into their log book. (They can do this a thousand times quicker with bots and stuff). They find out after downloading the file that it was indeed Britney Spears they got from me and call up my ISP and ask, "Who had the IP address of XX.XXX.XXX.XXX at (insert hour) o'clock?" And they say, "Yeah, that was Theinfamousone's parents living at 1234 Main St." They are now required by law to tell who the person is that pays for the internet connection and their address and SS# and anything the RIAA wants to know about you simply by accusing us of having a copyrighted file (without even having to prove they are the RIAA, let alone that I was even sharing copyrighted files).

Then they have their salaried lawyers go sue your pants off and make a fortune off you, whether I owned the Britney Spears CD or not, it doesn't matter in the slightest. Even if the person I was sending the file to had a Britney Spears CD, it's completely illegal to share copyrighted files. Using a P2P app is leaving yourself open for a lawsuit until someone can make them illegal. No firewall will protect you.

Therefore, your firewall is worthless because no one knows what IP address the RIAA's internet detectives are using since they can change their IP with a few clicks of the mouse.

The plain and simple fact is that there is no way to send someone something without them being able to find out what your IP address is. That's just how the internet was set up.

[Alex60]

that's right Theinfamousone,
triple T has no idea how network, internet, firewall etc works.
instead of cursing people, this person should get some education on this subject.
and i just have only one word for this peson, actually few words :) (sorry for my language) this one can stick his/her (don't know female or male) firewall to his/her ass and that definately will block the shit from coming out.
hahaha.

[michaelangel]

i hope someone hears you,and you are right.
firewall,it blocks everything until you give it permission to allow incoming or outgoing connection.it cannot identify connections to/from RIAA or somebody in brazilian jungle.

[phalkon30]

YAY, people are FINALLY starting to understand this.

If you read through the news section, mainly program releases, you'll see a few people still blabbing about how a good firewall will protect you.

[Alex60]

well, i think we need change the subject.
i hope the developers, will find out the way to block our ip addresses, so no f@#$%g riaa will disturbed our sweet world of sharing. I hope that hackers will attack and destroy the riaa site again, so those F@#$%S will spend they money for engeneers insted for lawers to fix they crap.
and one more question come up, why riaa, not actually labels and musicians (except f@#$$g metallica and some other groups with they nothing more than crap (can't call it music), complaining about p2p users? Answer is simple, because that f@#$% riaa will not be able to ride on limos and eat in fancy restaurants.

[FutureIverson]

sorry bout last post, this keyboard is messed up
i saw two many stupid post to call anyone out, but I noticed a 1 post n00b show up triple t.
You guys think your invincible.

Verizon said the same stuff, we'll protect you, we got you. They were forced.... Forced by law to give up that guy;s IP address, i'm sure your little 100 customer IP isn't going to put up as good a fight as comcast or Verizon could with their lawyers.

Having Kazaa open and allowing your firewall opens a door. You are so dumb, all it takes is you opening the program is sharing. Your firewall doesn't have a brain it's not going to adjust automatically. It'll keep the RIAA out to the level you want it too. And alongside sharing that's not having the program at all. Check the people who say a firewall protects you and those who have more post. Who will you believe?

[kerouac906]

This probably belongs on another topic... But here goes...

If you know anyone (or are yourself) being brought up on charges by the RIAA all you need to do is purchase copies of the songs they tagged you for sharing... Since they (the RIAA) obviously hold copyrights to these songs and you by purchasing the songs, have rights too. How can it be illegal for two copyright owners to share music in mp3 format?

They really can't PROVE that you have shared this file with non-copyright holders... Only that it was available for a non-copyright holder to gain access to. So are the CD's on my shelf in my house, if someone wants to steal them.

Decision... Defendant.

[Lehk]

Originally posted by kerouac906
This probably belongs on another topic... But here goes...

If you know anyone (or are yourself) being brought up on charges by the RIAA all you need to do is purchase copies of the songs they tagged you for sharing... Since they (the RIAA) obviously hold copyrights to these songs and you by purchasing the songs, have rights too. How can it be illegal for two copyright owners to share music in mp3 format?

They really can't PROVE that you have shared this file with non-copyright holders... Only that it was available for a non-copyright holder to gain access to. So are the CD's on my shelf in my house, if someone wants to steal them.

Decision... Defendant.

I have no idea how well that would stand up in court.... but it is an interesting idea

[kerouac906]

To make my previous post a little more clear...

I really think they would have to provide some proof you were sharing with non-copyright holders...

Movie/DVD example:

You and a friend own the Citizen Kane DVD. He wants to watch it on his computer but doesn't have a DVD drive so you rip it and convert it on your computer so he can download it from you to watch on his laptop. Any harm done? Same situation could be applied to music, software?

Also if people pushed for a jury trial with a halfway decent lawyer who do you think would win with 12 middle class hard working americans acting as judge?

I think they only way the RIAA could have proof of sharing with non-copyright holders would be to actually monitor/leech packets of data going in and out of my computer...

Bear in mind I have no Law experience except for when I get caught. Just trying to come up with a common sense defense.

Aaaah, the courtroom, so bland, so painful, so beautiful.

[Patriot]

SIMPLE..just dont ...SHARE ..ANYTHING on P2P..that way they cant get shit on you..its not being GREEDY ..its called being sensible.

[neoufo51]

"SIMPLE..just dont ...SHARE ..ANYTHING on P2P..that way they cant get shit on you..its not being GREEDY ..its called being sensible."


Patriot, you little frightened noob kid, how can you be a member on this file sharing forum and say ignorant crap like that? Don't share at all??? Yes, its greedy, its selfish, its cowardly, It's not sensible at all.

If everybody followed your inane logic, the RIAA would WIN.

You don't even deserve to be on P2P. Why don't you just get off it and go buy cd's so the RIAA won't "get shit on you"?

[Patriot]

lololololol

Go ahead neoufo51 "SHARE your ass off" and get added to the list of people that will receive a nasty letter in the post.

People that use KAZAA stand alone proggy are just F*****G stupid and are just asking for trouble..shit they may as well walk into the nearest police station..and give themselves up.
use Kazaalite..instead

I dont really give a flying f**k..i dont live in the US anyway..so your R.I.A.A can go screw itself.

I live in downloading heaven.and will continue to "NOT SHARE"
Because im not a F*****G Idiot.

[matt merch]

Originally posted by Patriot
lololololol

Go ahead neoufo51 "SHARE your ass off" and get added to the list of people that will receive a nasty letter in the post.

People that use KAZAA stand alone proggy are just F*****G stupid and are just asking for trouble..shit they may as well walk into the nearest police station..and give themselves up.
use Kazaalite..instead

I dont really give a flying f**k..i dont live in the US anyway..so your R.I.A.A can go screw itself.

I live in downloading heaven.and will continue to "NOT SHARE"
Because im not a F*****G Idiot.

lmao you think that kazaalite is safer than kazaa thanks for making me laugh thats priceless

[Patriot]

lololololol

Yes ..but im not SHARING ..SHIT..and im not one of those dickheads that will end up getting hassled by your R.I.A.A..
because the only reason PEOPLE are getting "sprung" is because they are SHARING ..hasnt it registered yet MORON.

[Patriot]

Look..im not handling this very well..what i mean to say is..
@ the moment im not sharing anything..i used to share f****king
truckloads..but i dont mind telling you all..i personally got a little worried..and have subsequently stopped sharing..
i just hope and pray that the guys/gals @ Kazaalite..can come up with something soon..that will enable me to start sharing again..my last posts were just brevado..and i wasnt really being honest in my approch to this..if i have offended anyone i apologize.
I dont usually loose it..it is totally my fault..and i was out of order.

Patriot

[kerouac906]

Simply put the odds are in your favor.

4,000,000 kazaa users connected at last count. Almost 1000 supoenas filed by the RIAA. Your odds of getting hit are 1/4000 by this count, not factoring in all the people not running kazaa at the moment.

I have much better odds at a roulette table to make the money they are going to sue me for!!!

I almost think it would be fun to get on their list... Ya know have some fun with 'em... Buy some new hard drives (screw reformatting) Music? what music?

Those songs you downloaded months ago? Oh, those were my sisters, she put them on my computer so she could leave her CD in the car, I didn't realize she put them in a shared directory...

Or the classic... I dont have any room for music downloads because my hard drives are filled with DVD Rips...

Anyways, I'm sure none of these scenarios would stand up in court, ignorance doesnt float with judges.

They are doing all of this based on the assumption that P2P is solely to blame for lagging music sales, not price fixing, not poor quality music that has been sampled to death, not that most people can buy used CD's off of ebay or in their town...

I personally think new music sucks balls and is the main reason CD sales are lagging but I can prove that about as well as they can prove P2P is the reason. Think of a single rapper that will have the longevity of the Stones, Beatles, Bob Dylan, etc... NONE. ICE-T knows this, which is why he started acting.

I also think the artists should be present in court for these hearings. Then at least a Britney Spears fan will get to meet her before losing $100,000...

[FutureIverson]

well patriot you showed some maturity a lot of n00b's don't show and we will welcome you at zeropaid, i pissed a lot of people off with my first post cuz i started dumb *** threads, just get settled. I read a lot of old post, and i got a good feel for the site. Now I love Zeropaid and it's part of my daily agenda, reading up and making post (too many sometimes).
I get annoyed at some things, like the punk pretending to be hilary rosen, i dare her to sue me, stupid b***. I also encourage you to keep sharing.

I'm 15 years old living with my parents, we are bankrupt, and bank of america foreclosed our house in january 2002. If i got sued, i don't know how much worse my life would be but i still share. I take little procautions, if you don't feel safe with kazaa, go to winmx, when 4.0 comes out winmx will have a very good network, but it needs more users, and less leeches, leeching is bad on winmx. One reason kazaa is dying is because of leeches. No program is 100% safe but kaza lite has somewhere where you can DAILY update the peerguardian databse. It's not 100% safe, but by updating PG kazaa becomes just as save as other programs emule. welcome to zeropaid get accomadated.

[Shudogg]

lol at this thread. I didnt even read most of it bc it was too long, and the same thing on and on. Most routers do not block EVERYTHING. Most home users that have a router have a basic like $50-$80 router, the higher of that range for a built in firewall. Simple things are blocked, that way the home user that may or may not know much about a computer can get on and share the internet and/or be secure without having to go through and forward every port for every application they are wanting to use that needs the internet. You can (im not sure on all home-end routers) block a lot, if not all like Triple T was saying. Like our Cisco routers we used in Cisco cost like a grand or more. As was stated earlier, once kazaa is on the net your not so invisible anymore. One (of the un-technical) things NEEDED to be on the internet is an IP Address. That IP Address, unless faked, is visible to basically everyone, including the RIAA. I can have a chat with you over a messenger, and using netstat -n look for what port is associated with my connection to you, and thus get your IP. If anyone can do it, the RIAA can too. They obviously aren't too stupid if they have caught many people already. I am not sure exactly how the RIAA grabs their victims, maybe just looking for people that are sharing over so many protected things, or just if you stumble upon them trying to get something. I use mIRC for the most part, but sometimes a p2p program such as Kazaa Resurrection or WinMX. Basically I would just either download material that is not still under copyright, or dont share (people dont like freeloaders though), and dont download large quantities at a time or something. As far as the ISP protecting you, you really think they are going to worry about your roughly 30 bucks a month compared to a huge amount of money in court costs and fines if they dont fork over your information. As someone said above, they dont care about you. I know you say you know the guy, but when he gets approached your names going right to the RIAA. All in all, you are not safe just because you have a router that says it keeps hackers out on the box. Routers arent sh** but another roadblock for any talented and devoted hacker for some ungodly reason they would try to attack you. Your IP Address is public to anyone who cares to know it. Your nothing compared to a huge sum of money your isp will have to pay for breaking the law by not giving your info. I dont know some strong points among most of you, I didnt read the whole thing. This discussion is probably done with, and wow my post is long. Its 3am and i thought i would give my 3 cents :ass (sorry for any typos or lazyness in punctuation, im tired get off me)

[Krell]

FutureIverson youve some a long ways since you joined this site, and your posts are much more intelligent and informed.

Did you know that I used to live right where 23rd and Jackson meet?



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[MrGonzo]

Ya know Im getting really sick and tired of all this back and forth bullshit about getting caught, not getting caught, getting sued or not.

People, I hate the RIAA/MPAA but the reality is, down the line they will most likely win this war against us, they have high priced lawyers that are paid top dollar to convince judges we're wrong and they're right.

Now of coruse I dont want this to happen, I like getting the music and movies I want. Not what the music and movie industry tell me to get. But I have come to realize we must all start looking to reality, chances are people they will win the war.

P2P will become illegal, people who do it will be fined huge amounts of $, and/or jailed and people will have to go back to buying music and movies at the bullshit high prices they always have. There's really nothing we can do now, they will win.

I say enjoy it while we can and get as much stuff as you can now before the axe is brought down.

Look to reality people the end of free P2P is near, trust me I hate it as much as you, but its the truth! :mellow

[Abyss00]

...but its the truth!You mean your opinion.


If you look at history things like this are normally legalized and taxed in some form or another to pay those involved.

[Stownplayer]

La la la la la, Triple t obviously don't know when he's pumping a dry well.