KAZAA ISN'T SAFE, so move.... [Archive]

bigbear_2345

June 25th, 2003, 07:15 PM

Kazaa has become unsafe but that doesn't mean we should all sit on our files, THATS WHAT THEY WANT US TO DO.

Just move from kazaa to somewhere safer!

I personally like ftp servers, you are just downloading strait from that persons computer, no middle man.
The only person that can get busted is the person that made the ftp server, and thats only if they arn't smart and give their password to everyone. They are simple to connect to and vary easy to use.
"BulletProof FTP Server" is the best.

Other than ftp servers the only place you could go is another unsafe server or warez... And I know most of you arn't willing o go to warez.

If our file sharing servers can survive 5 years, they will survive forever, becouse we will have enough numbers that we will be able to make entertainment free. The entertainment industries know this, thats why they are trying to kill us off as fast as possible... But we will survive one way or another!

No matter the path we take the riaa ( buch of old fa*s) will follow, that is garentied, we will survive by burning the path behind us.

ATLien

June 25th, 2003, 07:29 PM

Yea, that's all fine and dandy, but i'll always "fight before i run."
But i always keep back-up plans.

You know the routine....i hope.

downloadalot

June 25th, 2003, 07:35 PM

Cars are not safe... so don't drive!

CCSDUDE

June 25th, 2003, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by bigbear_2345
Kazaa has become unsafe but that doesn't mean we should all sit on our files, THATS WHAT THEY WANT US TO DO.

Just move from kazaa to somewhere safer!

I personally like ftp servers, you are just downloading strait from that persons computer, no middle man.
The only person that can get busted is the person that made the ftp server, and thats only if they arn't smart and give their password to everyone. They are simple to connect to and vary easy to use.
"BulletProof FTP Server" is the best.

Other than ftp servers the only place you could go is another unsafe server or warez... And I know most of you arn't willing o go to warez.

If our file sharing servers can survive 5 years, they will survive forever, becouse we will have enough numbers that we will be able to make entertainment free. The entertainment industries know this, thats why they are trying to kill us off as fast as possible... But we will survive one way or another!

No matter the path we take the riaa ( buch of old fa*s) will follow, that is garentied, we will survive by burning the path behind us.

1) No 'smart' users use Kazaa for anything more then a quick fix.
2) If you get nailed by the RIAA/MPAA your ISP bitches....then boots you after a certain number of breaches...and if your ISP is small or doesn't care they ignore it. As mine has done when I had a constant up/down going for 5 days on a certain movie with trix in the title...and that was via bittorret which seems to be under a bigger attack then Kazaa has been.

3) FTP's are slow as fuck once enough users have the password or if the guy serving up under the annon system....in short you can pass a password around and it's easy to crack down on FTP's...no matter if pw protected or not.

4) Go to fucking hell RIAA troll...your method of being 'safe' is bullshit...safety in numbers is always best and 6 million ain't to shabby along with all the other apps...

And if that wasn't clear enough for you...FUCK OFF AND DIE RIAA TROLL!

Cuz all your 'solution' will do is lead the sheeple to the slaughter....unless the FTP's are so underground only close friends know the IP and password...and still one friend may be a moron and give it out in which case the server is swamped by a load of assholes.

bigbear_2345

June 25th, 2003, 07:49 PM

programs like Kazaa are only getting more and more dangerous,
and as for your ftp comment that is bullshit, ftp is the best....

on ftp 1 in 20-30 is slow, on ftp slow is less than 10 kbs
on kazaa 1 in 5 is slow, on kazaa less than 1kbs is slow

hawkburn

June 25th, 2003, 09:13 PM

CCSDUDE is right, go away!

And hasnt this already been discussed before?

ROMANTICGUY50

June 25th, 2003, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by CCSDUDE
1) No 'smart' users use Kazaa for anything more then a quick fix.
2) If you get nailed by the RIAA/MPAA your ISP bitches....then boots you after a certain number of breaches...and if your ISP is small or doesn't care they ignore it. As mine has done when I had a constant up/down going for 5 days on a certain movie with trix in the title...and that was via bittorret which seems to be under a bigger attack then Kazaa has been.

3) FTP's are slow as fuck once enough users have the password or if the guy serving up under the annon system....in short you can pass a password around and it's easy to crack down on FTP's...no matter if pw protected or not.

4) Go to fucking hell RIAA troll...your method of being 'safe' is bullshit...safety in numbers is always best and 6 million ain't to shabby along with all the other apps...

And if that wasn't clear enough for you...FUCK OFF AND DIE RIAA TROLL!

Cuz all your 'solution' will do is lead the sheeple to the slaughter....unless the FTP's are so underground only close friends know the IP and password...and still one friend may be a moron and give it out in which case the server is swamped by a load of assholes.

I will never use KMD it suck's bigtime. Quick question What about Kazaalite K++ How will that be effected by this. Will it be safe to use it. I like Kazaalite K++ by Random Nut and the others that have worked so hard on that program.

CCSDUDE

June 25th, 2003, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by ROMANTICGUY50
I will never use KMD it suck's bigtime. Quick question What about Kazaalite K++ How will that be effected by this. Will it be safe to use it. I like Kazaalite K++ by Random Nut and the others that have worked so hard on that program.

It's the same program....minus the spyware....with added calls and the search more stuff that K++ changes in memory.

isus

June 25th, 2003, 09:46 PM

hey, while we're moving to ftp servers, how about we just stop using true p2p altogether?

no winmx, no kazaa, no nothing...

actually, better idea. shut up.

overdo

June 26th, 2003, 02:53 PM

i agree with isus and CCS

1) No 'smart' users use Kazaa for anything more then a quick fix.

exactly! couldn't have said it any better myself :fire

Patryck

June 26th, 2003, 03:52 PM

Actually I say lets play their game.

plan a)
If everyone could hold for atleast one week without sharing music titles that are copyrighted by RIAA aSSwhipes, and share all titles that are legal, DJ mixes, and also rename some bogus files to emimen and that shit so the RIAA can falsely attempt to sue us, we could countersue their assess.

plan b) Unite a Resistance on the World Wide Web, and declare Cyberwar against the RIAA.

plan c) Run.

plan d) fight until we get sued.

plan e) format our drives and obey the RIAA who control our lives and let them make us dumber.

I like B.

CYBERWAR against the RIAA.
flooding their e-mails with thousands and millions of complaints, boycott them, hack their site, use their IPs against them by getting into their systems and attacking it, gather intel on all of it's emplyees and systems.
Like Big Brother, We watch them and gather as much incriminating information that we will crush em to the ends of the earth and continue until the sun goes out.
SPY and use their own tactics against them.
COUNTERATTACK, if they go into out computers to download our music, we boot them off and counterstrike their assess, DoS, Trojans, etc.. Total CyberWar.
While they are sending out their requests for music, we should take advantage of that chance and fool them. Honeypot methods and total espionage.
A Revolution the Would show the world who is in control.
THE PEOPLE POWER.

random nut

June 26th, 2003, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by overdo
i agree with isus and CCS

exactly! couldn't have said it any better myself :fire

But don't forget that the "smart" people are in minority. There are tons of clueless people and people who don't really give a damn if Sharman installs all these adware crap programs. Their computers are fucked up anyway, and one or more adware products will not bother them. "Wow, a new internet explorer search bar! Cool!" :)

Psilaxs

June 26th, 2003, 04:22 PM

*Dons his best cyberpunk/hacker/matrix outfit*

Great idea, but the only way we will bring about change is electing officials who will not acceeed to their demands.

CTC Command

June 26th, 2003, 04:23 PM

What a big pile of crap bigbear_2345 suggests--there is no "safe way" to share. It's like being "a little pregnant" or a "recreational crack user." You are either doing it or your not, and we're all doing it here or we wouldn't be was5ting our time argiung on this website. And I will never "play their game" as Patryck suggests. I will wait for my "cease and desist" letter, which I doubt is ever coming, share and download just like I always have.

Here's a more constructive suggestion. Go fucking vote for someone who supports P2P filesharing in the next congressional elections. Better yet, go on a voting drive, and get everyone you know to REGISTER AND VOTE.

And if you don't vote or know where your congressman/maam or senator stands on this issue, then stop yer fucking whining.

Tremaine

June 26th, 2003, 04:31 PM

You want to know a little secret???
The internet is not safe and never will be so give it up!

Whitney Houston

June 26th, 2003, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by CCSDUDE
1) No 'smart' users use Kazaa for anything more then a quick fix.

So what DO smart people use when they want to be safe from the RIAA?

bigbear_2345

June 26th, 2003, 05:01 PM

I'm not saying we should stop sharing, I'm saying we need to move.... we need to have servers/programs that can't be(harder to) traced.

Right now there are no safe ways to share thats why the riaa is still in buisness

beardedwonder

June 26th, 2003, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by isus
hey, while we're moving to ftp servers, how about we just stop using true p2p altogether?

no winmx, no kazaa, no nothing...

actually, better idea. shut up.

That's a fantastic idea Isus.

What a pile of crap about ftps. What is that about the speeds of transfers? If you're downloading rare mp3s then maybe an ftp is better but for bigger files you can't beat a p2p network.

Nowheres safe! Get over it!

PS: Still need an official view on non U.S residents who are using p2p proggies. Anyone?

zebi

June 26th, 2003, 05:04 PM

Jack1H

June 26th, 2003, 05:09 PM

CTC Command says he "will wait for my cease and desist letter". That is the big issue at this time. If you were guaranteed that you would get such a letter, then there is no point in stopping your file sharing, until such a letter arrives.

But maybe you'll just get hit with a lawsuit, without any warning. For the time being, I've stopped using P2P until I see what develops. I know that's the sissy way out, but I'd rather be a sissy than a defendant in a lawsuit.

ATLien

June 26th, 2003, 05:18 PM

[i] I know that's the sissy way out, but I'd rather be a sissy ..... [/B]
Ya think!

ROCKAMANIAC

June 26th, 2003, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by random nut
But don't forget that the "smart" people are in minority. There are tons of clueless people and people who don't really give a damn if Sharman installs all these adware crap programs. Their computers are fucked up anyway, and one or more adware products will not bother them. "Wow, a new internet explorer search bar! Cool!" :)

LMAO Funny Post i Know where your coming from, and i agree with you. :cross

:cross <--Cant we get better Smiley faces ?

naughty aaron

June 26th, 2003, 05:49 PM

kazaa is the best p2p app on the net because of the integrity of its user base. If we all decamp we'll never conglomorate in the same place and we'll just redistribute to different parts of the internet. look what happened to audiogalaxy. POWER IN NUMBERS!

overdo

June 27th, 2003, 04:26 AM

PS: Still need an official view on non U.S residents who are using p2p proggies. Anyone?

non-US resident here. what kinda view would u like?

So what DO smart people use when they want to be safe from the RIAA?
check out the ZP file sharing in the toolbar and have an experiment to see what u like.

@random-nut - totally agree with u. the "non-smart" ppl are the ones the RIAA is trying to intimidate into stopping using p2p apps.

Mel_Smiley

June 27th, 2003, 04:47 AM

why did no one tell me Whitney freakin' Houston joined ZP???

matt merch

June 27th, 2003, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by CTC Command
It's like being "a little pregnant" or a "recreational crack user." .

LOL

beardedwonder

June 27th, 2003, 05:39 AM

Originally posted by overdo
non-US resident here. what kinda view would u like?

Sorry bout that, that's what happens when you're in a rush to get to work! I was just wondering if the RIAA can sue non-U.S residents.

[KwestSeeker]

June 27th, 2003, 06:34 AM

the riaa represents the american recording industry so afaik their scope of legal action is limited to north america plus the american law protects the rights of multinationals not consumers' rights and american law is nothing outside its borders. however I think they (riaa) have some form of representatives in other parts of the world, i'm not sure.

why is it that people are afraid to say "I downloaded matrix reloaded off the Internet" (I know I did) or hulk or whatever? didn't Zp have an official Poll recently about downloading a Radiohead album? so what's the difference if you say you downloaded something else?

beardedwonder

June 27th, 2003, 07:57 AM

Obrigado! I guess we'll see, don't suppose there's a 'lawyer-type' person lurking on this board who could answer?

CCSDUDE

June 27th, 2003, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by bigbear_2345
I'm not saying we should stop sharing, I'm saying we need to move.... we need to have servers/programs that can't be(harder to) traced.

Right now there are no safe ways to share thats why the riaa is still in buisness

The internet was never 'safe'.....

Grouping users and IP logs into lil FTP's with slow access and 401 errors ain't the answer. Besides once a RIAA 'buddy' gets the scent of one or more FTP's he can without a double 'watch' what people do and probably snag IP's from the dumber FTP servers run by people such as the normal Kazaa user....

Your whole idea is flawed in a major way....which leads me to believe you have dealings with the fucking RIAA....

Go look at other p2p programs before you post such crap... :mellow

dbcalo

June 29th, 2003, 01:50 AM

could someone make a version of kazaa with encryption to mask our ip's and help make it "safer" to use it?

Kevin06906

July 7th, 2003, 10:09 PM

Forget it, im not gonna go somewhere else, i believe that kazaa is the best file sharing program from when i first downloaded it which when version 1.5 came out, when we didn't know about the spyware, until now with latest kazaa lite version. I'm staying with kazaa lite until it goes to hell, IF it goes to hell, or if i go to hell.

Evil_Dweller_01

July 7th, 2003, 10:12 PM

Kazaa Lite is crap

Not the program but the files it offers

I really wont go into detail as you all know for what reasons...

cpugeniusmv

July 7th, 2003, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by dbcalo
could someone make a version of kazaa with encryption to mask our ip's and help make it "safer" to use it?

yeah, sure...i'll have it done in the morning

the internet is a public network. it is not safe, was never safe, and will never be safe.

Kyle06

July 7th, 2003, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by downloadalot
Cars are not safe... so don't drive!

So True lol

djalibi

July 7th, 2003, 10:49 PM

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goku2040

July 8th, 2003, 12:17 AM

I'm non US-citizens.
My country government has decided that price control may be the way to curbs piracy activities. There has been rumors it will be half price on all music, movies and softwares. RIAA/MPAA or whatever can sucks whatever they want to.:cross

Yes, US authorities just had to stuck theirs heads into anything. The US has condemns our country moves by saying this actions will makes nobody want to sells anything in our country which will not be accepted by the people because people wants choices. Catching all those pirates and put them behind bars is the only ways in their claims from recent visits to our country. So good luck US citizens since p2p is marked as a form of piracy.

Although have some sense. Hell, just mind yours own business.:black

nasrules

July 8th, 2003, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by random nut
But don't forget that the "smart" people are in minority. There are tons of clueless people and people who don't really give a damn if Sharman installs all these adware crap programs. Their computers are fucked up anyway, and one or more adware products will not bother them. "Wow, a new internet explorer search bar! Cool!" :)

True, but those who the RIAA are "going after" are the smart ones, the ringleaders, the big guns, whatever you want to call them.

nrichey

July 8th, 2003, 01:54 AM

Why won't we just stop using Windows operating system and switch to Mac? * cough * cough *

Or how 'bout turning off our computers and throwing them away? That'd be the day! If anyone does that just reply to me....wait a minute no one would be able to reply w/o their computer (unless if they use someone else's). Never mind, just messing around.

12345678910

July 8th, 2003, 12:00 PM

My idea is to set up a program which connects to a centralized server in another country where the RIAA would have a considerable hard time stopping the traffic.

We have already established that P2P programs are legal whereas the interaction between users can be illegal.

The program itself would be safe, assuming that the law doesn't go against it's latest decisions. We could set up the protocol so that it encrypts a users IP so that the RIAA bots could not track the users. I would also like to see a long range of RIAA and associates IPs be blocked from connecting to the server. We could not completely stop the RIAA and its associates from connecting to the server itself but it would be nice to block there ranges.

The program would be faster than normal decentralized programs because of the way it is coded. Although it would be expensive as hell, it is just an idea I had floating around. Think of it as Napster on steroids...

Lata,
12345678910

Jon49

July 8th, 2003, 01:21 PM

quote:

"KAZAA ISN'T SAFE, so move...."

ok, im only gonna say this once. "Not safe" is something you say when the Mafia or Mossad are angry about a problem, and the ONLY person responsible for that problem is you. when there are 10MILLION people 'responsible' for the 'problem' of filesharing...

you get my point.

Fuck all you riaa trolls. imma use kazaalite for as long as the FT network holds up.

Wolfie

July 8th, 2003, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by goku2040
I'm non US-citizens.
My country government has decided that price control may be the way to curbs piracy activities. There has been rumors it will be half price on all music, movies and softwares. RIAA/MPAA or whatever can sucks whatever they want to.:cross

Yes, US authorities just had to stuck theirs heads into anything. The US has condemns our country moves by saying this actions will makes nobody want to sells anything in our country which will not be accepted by the people because people wants choices. Catching all those pirates and put them behind bars is the only ways in their claims from recent visits to our country. So good luck US citizens since p2p is marked as a form of piracy.

Although have some sense. Hell, just mind yours own business.:black

I have seen you this post twice up to now so I'm curious. What country are you referring to?

Brycen257

July 8th, 2003, 06:42 PM

I agree with the opinions expressed by CS Dude, Isus and
Jon 49. Why don't all of you RIAA trolls go fuck yourselves to death and find some better way to waste your empty , pathetic and meaningless lives than by posting these lame-ass scared shitless postings . You aren't going to convince anyone here. have you heard the latest statistics on the internet ? File sharing is just as big as it ever was and there has been no decline in file trading because of the RIAA threats. I have said this before and I will say it again - no one gives a shit about the RIAA !!!!!!!!!!

DemonusAE

July 9th, 2003, 10:05 AM

IP encyption?! I really don't have an idea of how that would be possible. Every packet that your computer sends through your network has you IP engraved to it. It's part of the protocol that lets you communicate. Without it you wouldn't be able to get anywhere. Encypting an IP would work within your own network but as soon as your information gets out, it can be traced back to the gateway ( router ) your ISP uses to get into the internet cloud. Then it's all a matter of whether your ISP is going to give you up or not.

Ip spoofing? That can be done. But it's your ISP's job to prevent that within it's own network.

I still agree with the safety in numbers idea. And yes I will wait til a get a letter from RIAA ( let them burn in hell ). In the mean time, just sit back, relax, and continue sharing.

Jack1H

July 9th, 2003, 01:06 PM

This is the first I'd heard that your ISP considers it his responsibility to prevent this. If you're using something like UDP, why does your ISP think it's any of his business, what you do to the packet headers?

snowborder74

July 10th, 2003, 09:06 AM

All i can say is ok so the RIAA decides to go through w/ it...any ISP that simply gives away one customer has just risked the loss of hundreds of customers...so basically the RIAA will be trying to step on ISPs "feet" because they will have shit to go through when the RIAA gets to them, but if they let them through they are risking a decent sized decrease...if i am correct isnt that why verizon DSL would not give the RIAA the info to one of their customers in a previous bout?