Downloading movies, is it illegal?; VOTE NOW!

[PowerMan57two]

Lots of movies are being downloaded lately, now is it illgeal to download them? Vote now.
Buts Heres what I got to say....

when I downloaded music, I listen to it, to see if I like it good enough to buy the CD. So it's kind of like a radio station, cause if I just buy a CD, then you are waisting your money if you don't like the CD.
So if you download a movie, you can see if you like it good enough, to see it in the moive theater with your friends.... so do you guys still movies after you download them, I do.... so VOTE NOW!


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RIAA Will never shutdown P2P, so quit waisting your money!


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[Aaron73153]

I download movies all the time now. With how much a movie is costing these days at $7+ thats alot to spend not to know exactly what your getting. I don't usually agree with what bonehead critics say i should and shouldn't see, p2p allows me to judge for myself. Just like with music p2p allows ppl to preview before spending our hard earned money. Watching a MPEG or DIVX on your PC is nothing like the theatre expierence. And of course if a movie is really good i'll go buy the DVD (used, of course is preferred). Let your representatives know that you support p2p and show that you are a filesharer and a consumer.

[neoufo51]

Who gives a crap? Of course its illegal to pirate movies, as well, as to watch it in your home without paying for it, anybody knows it violates our basic copyright laws in the US. But hey, that hasnt stopped me yet...

I'm a pirate, hell, EVERYTHING on my computer is pirated, I even pirate the software I use to pirate other software with. But I don't care, I'm in college, and I dont feel like spending money on software that I need for education and entertainment when I've got more pressing financial matters.

By the way, 37 films on my spindle and counting...

[Rickio]

Basicly we are all pirates wether or not we can justify it or not. I say that only because I notice some strange remarks by some of us pirates here on the forum. Can't figure it out, why some people feel like they are better when we are all using p2p apps. This is a forum for p2p news. Right? :-)

There is a information age revolution going on and revolutions can be messy sometimes :-)

Hmm wonder how the movie about this revolution will turn out? :-p

[wesr]

i download a lot of movies using winmx. What do u other people use to download them. Anyways i dont think its illegal because it is definately not as entertaining as watching it in a theater or on a TV. I know that u can make vcd's but my dvd player doesnt support vcd. So, i think that if a movie is good enough, u will buy it.

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[cheapprick]

Yeah, kinda seems like a strange question. To be the counterpoint though, I think a lot of people have VHS movies that they own, and would like to watch them on their fandangled new dvd player. Same point as backing up your music, no?

[wesr]

i download a lot of movies using winmx. What do u other people use to download them. Anyways i dont think its illegal because it is definately not as entertaining as watching it in a theater or on a TV. I know that u can make vcd's but my dvd player doesnt support vcd. So, i think that if a movie is good enough, u will buy it.

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[isus]

i think downloading movies is the same level of 'legality' as music, except maybe a little higher...

i think most ppl download the songs they see on mtv or whatever, not entire albums, cuz the albums cost $20. and a lot of artists don't have a lot of good cd's.

but movies are different, bc on the 'more legal' side, they are not extreme high quality, ie: 640x480... but on the less legal side, it does cost A LOT more money to make a movie. and also, it costs what, $10 -$20, to go see it, or $20 to buy the dvd when it comes out, and it's something u watch the whole thing.

one thing i don't understand is, is how the ppl (in general) don't download more movies. i understand the whole 'size' thing,. but now we have resume features in every major filesharing client. and if u can't go out to see it, u can see it ANYTIME

whatever.

bye bye

ps - NO FAKES, NO LEECHERS!!!

[PowerMan57two]

what parts of america do you live in, to see a movie here it is only $4.50 to see a movie, I live in Minnesota

[PowerMan57two]

and about how muh are your CD's we get new CDs here when I live for about $6.99 for a new artist, and about $8.99 - $10.99 for a artist who has released previous albums

[Caitlyn Marble]

In seattle if you go to the major electronics retailers you (circuit city, best buy) you can pay like 5-7 dollars for new cd, then about 12-14 bucks for everything else. Unless you go to the mall. Then you just throw away 17 bucks for the old stuff and 13 bucks for the new.

[TC75580]

Is is illegal? Yes. Anyone who says the opposite is lying. You all know it's illegal.

The thing is, should it be illegal? I think it should be agreed by the MPAA that if the movies are at a low quality then they can be shared. This is the only thing that could possibly become legal some day (though the chances are looking slim right now). Currently, there are tons of high quality rips being shared, nearly the quality of DVDs. Now THIS will never become legal, because it's like the DVD is being shared free.

The idea about watching the movie on the computer before you go see it is a good one, but only if the movie is low quality. That way, you're still seeing the film, and if you want to see it high res, you'll go to the movies.

[whiff]

yes, it's illegal. do you need a poll to figure this out?
here's a little news flash, kids: P2P is a war, between the rich and the poor. between the haves, and the have nots. they got lawyers, guns and money. they got the law on their side. they have stuff we want. all we got is technology and know-how. there is no right and wrong here, there's just class conflict. And by the way, powerman, movies are $7.50 for first-run films in every major city i've visited, and that's not counting candy, pop, parking, etc.

[Sarevok]

downloading a movie certainly isnt going to keep me from going to see it, so its not like there loosing anything there, and even if I download a DivX DVDrip, im still going to go get the real one if I liked the movie. Thats just the way it works, and I think most people do pretty much that. :P

[PowerMan57two]

Well whiff, I gues you havn't been to my city yet then, because movied here are only $4.50, guess you should visit my city then huh....

[TC75580]

I visit Minneapolis once or twice a year, and I've been to the movies too. It was around $5 when I went this past month.

[TK421]

Yes it is illegal but i dont care !

Have been downloading with the donk for over 6 months now and have at the moment 296 movies with 105 on queue

I love cable :tilted


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[reflector]

What a useless question! What is the point of the question, to test whether people understand copyright law or not?

Sharing copyrighted works on P2P is illegal. Downloading might not be, for example, if you have a legal DVD that you bought but it no longer works and you want another copy of that movie. You already own a license to view it, so downloading it would be considered "fair use", I believe.

[hawkburn]

I download and watch good movies a few days before they come to theaters in the USA, and if I like it, then its worth is to pay the money to see it in good quality and good sounds, however DVD rips are a whole nother story for me - I keep those :devil

[gorphon]

Im wondering whose idea that poll was... the question isnt "it is illegal?" its "should it be illegal?" I thought that this must of been a typo but then I saw all these people posting about how they dont think its illegal.... With all respect I must tell all of you, we dont live in a world where what we think should be automatically is. So there is no question, it is illegal. The poll should have been, "what do you think we (the p2p community) should do about it?"
I was thinking about that last night... about p2p and this country in general. The major problem right now isnt apathy on the people part. Its just the belief that we can not or lack of desire to try and get our voices heard. If every one of us (myself included) who appreciate the value of what we are getting here were to become more politically active- even if it were just letters to congressmen and newspapers- they would have to take notice. They would have no choice but to, at very least, change their business model to something more suiting the consumer. This is true for many issues, not just p2p. We havethe power for we fuel the economy, somehow they must be made to remember that.

Yes. I do mean "they." as in them. those guys.


you know who.

[TC75580]

A lot of movie downloaders are teens, since they have the least money and have more free time to download. Even if they did send letters to congress, they probably wouldn't be taken seriously. Even if everyone sent letters to congress, there's little hope that it would have any affect. Sending letters to newspapers, however is a good idea. It would make the general public take notice if they got published.

My idea is that the movie companies should get together and form a service that streams movies at a low enough quality that people would want to see it in theaters if it is good. Would there be a subscription service? Perhaps there could be two plans - one for low quality newly released movies that are free, the other for higher quality that are paid for. They could add ads all they want, and make some money with the paid service! They would get movie promotion! It's at least worth noting.

[gorphon]

by changing their business model...
and I agree TC, it wouldnt do anything if letters were sent JUST to congress... by sending them to newspapers and advising both the newspapers and the congesspeople of such... well, I never heard yet of a congress man who wanted bad press. I think itwould work, not so far as that we could "win" the war but it could make them adapt to us. And I like that idea btw, hell, Id even pay a (reasonable) fee to stream quality vid files from them... just so long as it was understood that I would be savingthe files as well.

[Top Floor]

Originally posted by TC75580
Currently, there are tons of high quality rips being shared, nearly the quality of DVDs. Now THIS will never become legal, because it's like the DVD is being shared free.



That's not competly true. The real DVD usually has some special features that you don't get with just the rip. Of couse, if you don't care about those things then I guess it isn't that much of a deterent / loss.

[wesr]

i think that the downloaded dvd isnt as good as the normal dvd because u cant watch it on ur dvd player unless u make a vcd of it. now, vcd's arent as widely accepted in dvd players. like mine, it doesnt play vcd's.when u buy the dvd, u can play it in all dvd players

[notbob]

movie companies don't give a crap if you have movies on your hdd, or if you d/l movies--the people they go after are the UPLOADERS!! Format shifting is fair use and legal--uploading (read as public retransmission, for profit or not) is illegal

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[ashep612]

okay, I think we've all established that it is indeed illegal, but I think y ou could write all the letters you want to whomever you want, it would not change anyone's views on p2p. You could list all the good things that it does for the economy but the general public won't be interested and the old grey congressmen are still going to see the same thing... "So you can download movies and music for free." and they won't go for it. Thats even if your congressman knows the term "download"!!

[MrMagik]

Downloading movies as well as music is an intelligent way of sharing.

Outrages prices for movies and music on cd dvd or at the theater is what should be illegal
wich is what drives people to download movies in the first place.

[mountain_rage]

Even tho this is an antiquated thread, I will comment anyway. It is most definitely not illegal to download movies. Its not even copyright infringement to download movies as you are not the one distributing the work. The only party in filesharing who is breaking copyright is the uploaded, as he is distributing a work that he is not authorized to distribute.

Should it be illegal to download/upload a movie, no. Theft is made illegal because you are physically costing a company money, its not just theoretical gains. Should it remain copyright infringement, sure, they made the work they should be compensated for it. Should an individual be on the hook for hundreds of thousands of dollars if found guilty of copyright infringement, most definitely not. The awarded damages in a lawsuit against an individual should reflect the damage caused, which most definitely cannot exceed a thousand dollars. Commercial copyright infringement should however remain as having a large penalty for infringement as it is a strong deterrent against profiting from someone elses work.

[Feather]

SHould kick that guy in the dick for bumping a 6 year old thread on his first post

[Mels_Smileys45]

Movies are well known for taking peoples minds off world problems in times of struggle. The government should be kissing our beanbags for doing a humanitarian service.



Vote Mels!

[one92002]

its illegal but who cares