Orrin Hatch is Insane!!!

[wingnut2600]

One crazy Senator wants to blow up your computer!

As if I need to prove that this man is crazy, I will just post this link: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030617/ap_on_hi_te/downloading_music

Orrin Hatch wants to destroy p2p users computers. But what do you expect from the craziest man in the Senate? It is sad that we have a wingnut like Orrin Hatch as the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Perhaps the problem is that he is a musician himself and feels his brethren's pain: "The senator, a composer who earned $18,000 last year in song writing royalties, acknowledged Congress would have to enact an exemption for copyright owners from liability for damaging computers. He endorsed technology that would twice warn a computer user about illegal online behavior, 'then destroy their computer.'"

That is completely insane. What about file-sharers in other countries? What the Fuck? This is just plain insanity. I cannot even seriously contemplate anything such as this. I can't believe that the people of Utah continually re-elect this mad-man (or perhaps I can).

Perhaps we should all find and share Orrin Hatch's composed music as mp3s (as if you could find any, and, if you could, no one would download it from you).

Experience the Madness!

Here is a music link: http://www.hatchmusic.com/
and another: http://www.ldsmusician.com/artists/orrin_hatch.html

Here is his Senate page: http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/

Here is his stand on issues (other than merely a computer destroyer): http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Orrin_Hatch.htm

I am not posting anything that is anti-Orrin Hatch; his record speaks volumes about his antiquated and atavistic views on the world. If you want to know more, just put something into Google.com with the words "Orrin Hatch"and "criticism" or "racism" or "homophobia" or "pro-life" or "fool" or "evil" and I am sure that you will find ample evidence of my original proposition, that Orrin Hatch is one sick, ass mother fucker.

(plus, the frog hates him)

:fire

[Psilaxs]

I say let the war begin.

Because we can do far more damage, Politically, Monetarily, and Technologically, then they could ever dare dream.

*edit* Wingnut, BTW there is nothing wrong about being pro-life.

[Aaron73153]

I can't believe that the people of Utah continually re-elect this mad-man (or perhaps I can).

I certainly can, anywhere that polygamy is allowed is one F@#ked up place. We need to continue to support representatives on both sides that fight for consumers' rights and don't bow to corporate greed.

[wingnut2600]

Fear the Latter-Day-Saint Musician and Senator Orrin Hatch (doesn't he look like a prick?)

[MoonMan]

Hey wingnut, this topic has another thread as well so don't go anywhere without reading my opinion (http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11567). :fire

[ROMANTICGUY50]

:devil HATCH :devil

Senator Hatch is an evil old Son OF a Bitch. He wants to take away all of our rights. He is in the palm of the RIAA. Old freaking Bastard. He sound retire from the senate as far as I am concerned.Destroying people's computers I think would be illegal. Like Someone else said LET THE WAR BEGIN

[Rickio]

I say we download his songs for free and enjoy them all for free and cheat him of his royalties.

and share them with people on the street.

[cpugeniusmv]

OH NO!!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kyle06]

yea I would like to see them try to do that we all would fug the rest of the web up so bad it would not be funny...

[MoonMan]

Shut up cpugeniusmv !

[CompuGeek]

Senators seriously need some term limits. These crazy redneck good ol' boys keep getting re-elected on name recognition.

:sw

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by cpugeniusmv
OH NO!!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uhh, 75 megs in 24 seconds?? Nuh uh!, ya damn photoshopper lol

[FileHoover]

That wet dream for the RIAA and Mr. Hatch is virtually not possible.

It's easy to do this kind of thing if you release bombs in software so I would stay away from downoading software (which I do anyway). But for media files, non-executeables, there is a different story.

First of all, if it were possible to erase someone elses hard drive that easily, no one would be safe even now from evil hackers. It's pretty difficult to make a non-executeable execute code. You can only do it by exploiting a flaw in the media player and those things would be closed REALLY fast if this kind of thing were discovered.

Second, the likelihood of mistargetting is huge. You could not get away with wiping out someone's computer by mistake without paying some big damages and possibly coming under criminal violations.

Thirdly, this kind of vigilante activity can backfire and the RIAAs agents themselves could be targets for getting their computers wiped out.

The only time I would be afraid is if I were using some open source p2p program. Since the source code is available, it is MUCH easier to locate users on this sort of network AND to discover bugs (buffer overflows mainly) that can be exploited remotely that could be used to wipe you out.

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
Uhh, 75 megs in 24 seconds?? Nuh uh!, ya damn photoshopper lol
if you look closer, you'll see i was downloading from myself ;)

[rainbowdemon]

If, by some extremly remote possibility, this horse's ass could pull this off the results would make the $44 million price-fixing lawsuit look like a walk in the park!! :finger 'em!!!

[wingnut2600]

This is an artist's conception of Orrin Hatch's proposal. Look at the foolish people that downloaded copyrighted material run! I bet they didn't expect their computer to really explode!

[MoonMan]

Wingnut that was hilarious !

[isus]

lol... i love old people in our government. this guy probably doesn't even know what a hard drive is.

besides, try all you want, but you can't actually get a computer to explode thru the internet. so keep some backup's, and keep a drive image of a clean xp install with your progs on it, and you're good.

that's what a lot of people do anyway, just have images around that were taken after they installed xp, added their games and winamp and other types of progs, and then every few months, they back up their documents and reinstall from the image.

[tons of fun]

Senator Hatch.....BITE ME!!

:devil

[Power Penguin]

It would only be Americans he targets afterall, no big loss.

[ThePillarOfAutumn]

why doesnt he just blow me instead.

[mr-g]

lol... i love old people in our government. this guy probably doesn't even know what a hard drive is.
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Hell, this guy probably doesn't even know what a hard on is! If they even could write a program to do this (which they can't) I'd just turn it in on my State Farm Homeowners insurance and buy an nice new Alienware PC.

[rainbowdemon]

this guy probably doesn't even know what a hard drive is.

[wessman]

Senator OK with zapping pirates' PCs
By Declan McCullagh, Staff Writer, CNET News.com
June 18, 2003, 5:21 PM PT
http://news.com.com/2100-1028-1018845.html

Sen. Orrin Hatch on Wednesday backpedaled slightly from his suggestion a day earlier that copyright holders should be allowed to remotely destroy the computers of music pirates.

In a brief press release, Hatch, a Utah Republican and chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said that he suggested the idea at Tuesday's hearing "because I think that industry is not doing enough to help us find effective ways to stop people from using computers to steal copyrighted, personal or sensitive materials."

But Hatch noted that his proposed law permitting wide-scale destruction of computers used to download illicit files from peer-to-peer networks was still on the table. "I do not favor extreme remedies--unless no moderate remedies can be found," Hatch said in the release.

Because Hatch oversees the Senate committee responsible for writing criminal laws, and because he has taken a personal interest in copyright legislation, his suggestion raised eyebrows and some alarms in Washington. It represents the most radical proposal to date in Congress, going even farther than a bill introduced last year by Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., that would have permitted copyright holders to disable or block a P2P node that they suspected of distributing their intellectual property without permission.

During a hearing that Hatch convened Tuesday on the "national security risks" of P2P networks, he asked a witness, "can you destroy their set in their home?" referring to a home PC.

Randy Saaf of MediaDefender, a secretive Los Angeles company that works with the recording industry to disrupt P2P networks, replied by saying "nobody" is interested in that approach.

"I am," Hatch said. "I'm interested in doing that. That may be the only way you can teach someone about copyright... That would be the ultimate way of making sure" no more copyright is infringed.

Hatch suggested that Congress would have to amend laws restricting computer intrusions. "If it's the only way you can do it," Hatch said, "then I'm all for destroying their machines...but you'd have to pass legislation permitting that, it seems to me, before someone could really do that with any degree of assurance that they're doing something that might be proper."

Orin Kerr, a former Justice Department prosecutor who is an associate professor at George Washington University law school, says Hatch's idea "would not only be a bad idea, but an extremely bad idea. The cure would be worse than the disease."

If Hatch's proposal were to be written into law, Kerr said, it would have to amend the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, a federal computer crime statute. "It would give an exception to copyright owners who are taking reasonable steps to disable acts of copyright infringement," Kerr said. "The trick is that all of these (disruption or disabling) offenses are crimes under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act."

In the past, Hatch has chosen sides carefully in copyright tussles. He commended the Justice Department for arresting Dmitri Sklyarov, a Russian programmer charged with criminal violations of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and he claimed in 1999 that the controversial law "laid the cornerstone for a rich and more vibrant Internet." But a year later, Hatch split with the Clinton administration when it sided with the record labels against Napster, and a former top Hatch aide, Manus Cooney, left to become Napster's chief lobbyist.

Hatch's proposal for legislation left public interest groups puzzled and alarmed. Mike Godwin, an attorney at Public Knowledge, said, "Much as I respect Sen. Hatch, he is virtually alone in believing that the destruction of computers could even be a last-ditch remedy for copyright infringement."

"I wish he hadn't said that," Godwin said. "And over time I suspect he'll wish he hadn't said that either."

Hatch is a conservative Mormon and former church bishop who was a presidential candidate in 2000 and is an amateur songwriter.

On Wednesday, Hatch came under attack for allegedly being a copyright pirate himself. His hatch.senate.gov Web site's menus use JavaScript code created by the U.K. company Milonic Solutions. Milonic Solutions charges between $35 and $900 for the right to obtain a license number for its JavaScript menu, but Hatch's site does not include a license number. Instead, this comment appears in the site's HTML code: "i am the license for the menu (duh)."

A Hatch representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


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http://news.com.com/2100-1028-1013037.html

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http://news.com.com/2100-1028-992371.html

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http://news.com.com/2100-1023-959774.html

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[TipYourBartender]

Hey Orrin Bizz-hatch!

Why dont you search and destroy MY DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK!

And people wonder why they get their websites hacked and DOSed. All Orrin's proposal will do is take all the hackers that have hacked the RIAA and move their sights towards the US government. They are asking for serious trouble if they are even thinking about this.

[MoonMan]

My last name is Hatch (go ahead, track me down with the other 80,000 Hatches) and I used to receive letters address to an Orim Hatch... I dunno, I thought it was funny.

[ROMANTICGUY50]

Originally posted by Dealie
AHAHA... someone contact this company quick.. lets blow up his machine! nasty little evil pirate senators! they must be taught a lesson! i think he needs to do some jail time too!

He is nutty as a fruit cake. He is doing something ilegal on his website. Let crash his site the F**king old bastard. Send him back to Utah or even better put him on a rocket ship and send him to the moon and leave him there for the rest of his life.
:fire :fire :fire :fire :He is the fifth frog (DOA)

[mojo-ris-in]

This will be fought in court without a doubt. It will also be interesting to see who decides what computers get bombed and don't get bombed. I personally don't think this proposal will get very far in Congress. In fact as Wessman pointed out, Hatch is already backpedaling on his comments which were probably only said to bolster his lobbyist donations. Not worried yet about this one.

[ROMANTICGUY50]

Originally posted by wingnut2600
Fear the Latter-Day-Saint Musician and Senator Orrin Hatch (doesn't he look like a prick?)
:devil Orrin hatch:devil
He looks likes the devil himself. Plus he is a prick as far as I am concerned He is also a JackAss who should be removed
from office

[NDGAARONDI]

Was that Russian situated in Russia at the time of the arrest or was he in USA? j/w

Well now he doesn't respect UK copyrights eh? Well that won't go down well if the UK were more into this stuff. I know I'm not happy with this.

Well that company should sue him, even in England or wherever, since America signed to that Universal Copyright Treaty or whatever it's called.

They seem to forget the written Constitution on what they can or can't do, I feel sometimes.

[Tremo]

What do you expect from a fucking ultra right wing republican Mormon? The entire Bush administration is full of insane fascists. The USA needs regime change.

[Tremo]

Besides, I'm sure that software would be developed to detect and remove the virus/worm that RIAA would infect you with. No doubt such software would be illegal in the USA, but I'm confident our European or Canadian friends would make it available.

Axis of Evil = RIAA, MPAA, Bush Admin.

[ROMANTICGUY50]

Originally posted by Tremo
What do you expect from a fucking ultra right wing republican Mormon? The entire Bush administration is full of insane fascists. The USA needs regime change.
Hatch is nuttier than a Fruit Cake. He belongs in a Zoo with the rest of the JackAsses that are against P2P filesharing. The senate is also up to other shit as well. They want to make against the law to sell cigs on the internet. Prob Hatch the Ass
is involved with that too.LET THE WAR BEGIN- LET'S RAISE HELL FOR OUR RIGHT'S

[Ravenshrike]

Y'know, while hatch is a complete and utter asshole it's really sad hat this forum was established to harp on that fact. I relly don't need to read about something as blatantly obvious as this.

[mojo-ris-in]

Originally posted by Ravenshrike
Y'know, while hatch is a complete and utter asshole it's really sad hat this forum was established to harp on that fact. I relly don't need to read about something as blatantly obvious as this.

You don't like it don't read it. It's as simple as that.

You know if I had a nickle for every person that gets off by pointing out how stupid so and so thread is. You saw the title of the thread but you still wasted your valuable time to read it and then even more valuable time to post that this thread was wasting your valuable time. Amazing.

[Krell]

I read the bulk of his other posts,

The Wisdom of Ravenshrike vol 1 - 4, and I must say . . . .


Youre not missing anything


Another ankle biter, another day

[NDGAARONDI]

While it's obvious and well known to US citizens, it's less likely that users outside of the US know as much as what's going on than many of the US citizens. Would you expect an Englishman to even know this person you're on about? Probably not :)

[Brycen257]

Re: Orron Hatch is Insane

Did anyone here ever have any doubts about that ? I live in Canada and have still heard enough about this retard from Utah to thoroughly disgust me. How could people actually elect a moron like this to represent them, much less to put him in a position of responsibility . I wouldn't put this jackass in charge of taking out the garbage .

[stevedave]

Orin Hatch is a filthy weasel. I hope he chokes on a bagel.

don't let the man get you down

[NDGAARONDI]

Well I keep on hearing the DMCA and that is the most heard legislation to me, and it's foreign legislation lol

I wish Congress look at foreign legislation, may produce a remedy after all :)