Why don't you use Shareaza?

[Anenga2]

Shareaza has been very successful and has gained a lot of users, and has implamented a lot of groundbreaking features etc. However, in order to make Shareaza better I'd like to hear constructive critisim why some people on ZeroPaid don't like Shareaza, or rather don't use it.

I'm creating this topic just to get a vibe of what the average ZeroPaid uers thinks of Shareaza, and why they don't use it as their default client. I think there are a lot of misconceptions around the forum regarding Shareaza. (And downright FUD/Lies) So, why don't you use Shareaza? Is it a personal issue, or actual software limitation? If you use eDonkey or BitTorrent, why don't you use Shareaza for those networks? Though it's still in beta, it does work quite well (except some "Moving" issues etc., which are minor).

BTW: Please try to be constructive with your reasonings. Please no "it just sucks compared to x". Please go onto why exactly, and what Shareaza can do to improve and get you to use it.

[beardedwonder]

I have been using Kazaa(lite) since it came out. I even remember using that websearch that they had when Kazaa first came out. For me kazaa lite is a very complete program with the verifieds websites and forums i've yet to download a fake and avipreview is very helpful. I can top out my connection speed (70k/s). That's why i use it, oh yeah and at last check it had 4,182,786 users.

That's why i don't use Sharezaa.

[thongsai]

cuz kazaa already posessed them..lol.. man i wished that shareaza came out wit g2 at the same as kazaa b4 it got popular then we can really see whos better.. most people fear changes.. plus if some converted they would always go back unless enough people converted at the same time.. but u would think when there is 4million on kazaa why are people on other networks? that question alone would be enough to convince me that there is somethin wrong wit kazaa.. but then again other people dont think like me..

[Ne007]

I like shareaza, and I use it to augment Kazaa Lite. Shareaza seems to freeze up my computer alot for some reason (P4 2.2ghz), windows '98 2nd ed.

[phalkon30]

Well, I use shareaza with DC++ and sometimes K-lite

One thing I would like fixed, I have lost a total of 30 gig in partial downloads due to shareaza "forgetting" them. I was told this was fixed in the latest version, but within 2 hours, BAM! I lost my downloads

I really don't like to nurture 2 gig zips to 99% completion, only to have the file tracking their progress go to shit on me. All the data is there, but shareaza will just write over it

[cleverhat85]

Originally posted by beardedwonder
I have been using Kazaa(lite) since it came out. I even remember using that websearch that they had when Kazaa first came out. For me kazaa lite is a very complete program with the verifieds websites and forums i've yet to download a fake and avipreview is very helpful. I can top out my connection speed (70k/s). That's why i use it, oh yeah and at last check it had 4,182,786 users.

That's why i don't use Sharezaa.
I agree, but I like Shareaza cause it has less fakes/better features.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by beardedwonder
I have been using Kazaa(lite) since it came out. I even remember using that websearch that they had when Kazaa first came out. For me kazaa lite is a very complete program with the verifieds websites and forums i've yet to download a fake and avipreview is very helpful. I can top out my connection speed (70k/s). That's why i use it, oh yeah and at last check it had 4,182,786 users.

That's why i don't use Sharezaa.
Good response. I do agree that K++ does suffice for majority of people, as it has the most reported users than any other client. You can easily get files fast and dirty from it. Though I'm not going to tell you that Shareaza is better than Kazaa or anything, but consider the following:
Shareaza/G2 has global searching, Shareaza has around 25K users on at a time. I've heard that Kazaa only allows you to search a 16K user horizon (though I think K++ expands that somewhat)
FastTrack is known for it's fake/mislabeled files, virii etc.
FastTrack is known for files with bad integrity (loses bits etc.). You can download files off of it then re-download them and they'll be different files (different SHA1/MD4)
Though, I certainly agree that if FastTrack works for you, then there isn't much reason to switch (other than for Shareaza's features/UI etc.). Anyways, honestly I'm more interested in Shareaza vs. other non-FastTrack clients.

[kawman]

if it ain't broke don't fix it. kazaa works fine and has the most content and userers out there unless kazaa dies people are not going to look elsewhere. i fully belive in p2p altenatives and i have tried them all including shareaza but it just can't compete with the content kazaa provides it's users






kazaa works on linux that's right you heard me kazaa on linux. this is how i got it to work on mandrake 9.1









http://www.brad-x.com/unix/kazaa-FreeBSD.phtml

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Ne007
I like shareaza, and I use it to augment Kazaa Lite. Shareaza seems to freeze up my computer alot for some reason (P4 2.2ghz), windows '98 2nd ed.
Cool. That's not good about the Win9x stuff. There still seems to be some instability on Win9x, I believe it's being looked into. Have you tried using Basic Mode? People say it works better if your in basic mode for some reason.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by kawman
if it ain't broke don't fix it. kazaa works fine and has the most content and userers out there unless kazaa dies people are not going to look elsewhere. i fully belive in p2p altenatives and i have tried them all including shareaza but it just can't compete with the content kazaa provides it's users
Yes, this seems to be the general reason why majority of people don't use Shareaza. And I somewhat agree, why would you want to use something else when what you have works.

Would you switch to Shareaza if Kazaa went out?

[isus]

i do use shareaza... sporadically. i have found that using a modem, i am not always getting my best speeds with it tho. i use winmx, then shareaza, then if i must, kazaa (lite, duh?)...

i can't wait till more clients start providing g2 support tho. it is a wonderful network.

[thongsai]

havent u guys wondered if kazaa is so great y dont irc releasers use kazaa to release files? try to convince and get banned.. but i have convinced some to use bittorrent cuz its reasonable.. when people release files they usually include a crc hash number.. but put it on kazaa and kiss ur originall good bye.. people r using emule over kazaa..!! emule take ages to get ur files but they like it more than kazaa!! come on people wake up.. emule shareaza and bittorrent have somethin in common... hash verfied , swarming downloads, and we hate kazaa users lol..

[phalkon30]

I have heard that shareaza does NOT have true global searching, and the only reason it can right now is because the network is so puny

Btw Anenga, I know you're trying to be friendly, but I somehow thing this will turn into a flameware eventually, just as a warning

[bobwonderful]

Well..I use Shareaza almost exclusively... However, my friends tell me that Kazaa being the largest network is easy to get all of the music they want because there is the largest collection there. Kazaa just did a great job of marketing when Napster died.

Others tell me that emule is their choice because it distrubutes the largest files well. However you have to wait weeks to get the whole thing.

I don't think this is anything new. Most people just get their p2p application when they hear it from their friends and never change because they are not technical enough to switch or they think it will mess up their computer.

Not too many know about shareaza because it's been a quiet secret.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by phalkon30
I have heard that shareaza does NOT have true global searching, and the only reason it can right now is because the network is so puny
Well, the only way to find out is to get more users on G2. There were 60k users on it during the v1.7 testing, and global search worked then, so we know it can go up to 60k users (it currently has around 25k). Mike has said a few times that global searching would work, because of hub clusters etc. Though, if it doesn't work when the userbase gets that big, I'm sure Mike could modify the protocol accordingly to get it to work.
Btw Anenga, I know you're trying to be friendly, but I somehow thing this will turn into a flameware eventually, just as a warning
Heh, well, hopefully not. I'm trying not to post flamebaits :)

[Serps]

I sometimes use Shareaza when downloading music but it just can’t compete with the user base and options of K Lite. Auto search more and Accelerator etc.

If im downloading larger files I would always go K lite first then emule I even prefer to queue in winmx I just wouldn’t trust Shareaza not to lose them.

This isn’t saying I wouldn’t use it again for larger files. It just needs some creases ironed out. But as its already been said if something else is working fine why change it.

[PeRFecTIoN87]

Well I use shareaza for g2 and bittorrent, however I find that i get better speeds on the ed2k network w/ eMule.

[aqlo]

I do use shareaza of course, but I have a lot of trouble convincing my friends to try it because
a) they like kazaa too much; I can convince them to use k-lite with kazaa, but not a whole different program
b) they can't spell it, even after I have spelled it for them, so after Not finding it for ten minutes they give up
c) it still has some "gnutella" aftertaste to it, i e when they do try it it takes them a while to start finding things and there are way too many people sharing at only 5k or just leeching or pretending to share

To these I would add that it takes quite a bit of smarts to get the best configuration for your pc. I use g2-only now and screen out the bearshare people and so I don't run into the various hassles, but an ordinary user is liable to find a bunch of great files that aren't Really shared with them and that must be disappointing.

[Christoph]

hey!
I realy like Shareaza. I think if kazaa close I will recomment Shareaza and piolet(probably Ares). what i don't like? well.. for example this switching to Edonke network. I mean, G2 is a powerfull protocol,why would I use this ED network.there is a EDK client wich is better fot it then shareaza(emule).
would be great if G1/Edk are eleminated and Shareaza has its own protocol.


P.S: 100% global searching can't be made. BUT I can't search more then 8000 users....

[Crazy Horse]

I have Shareaza but haven't used it much lately. I'm waiting for more improvements in the last release before I try it out. I'm still using the pre-BitTorrent version.
I must say that I'm finding almost everything from the new IMesh (hacked of course) and have been using that the most lately. I also use Piolet, DC++, & WinMx along with Shareaza. Don't get me wrong..I like Shareaza.. I just am finding the content I'm looking for on other programs.

[dverma75]

Hey i use shareaza. I have noticed shareaza is faster than emule and ed2k.

Who owns http://www.shareaza2.com

[mojo-ris-in]

Originally posted by Crazy Horse
I have Shareaza but haven't used it much lately. I'm waiting for more improvements in the last release before I try it out. I'm still using the pre-BitTorrent version.
I must say that I'm finding almost everything from the new IMesh (hacked of course) and have been using that the most lately. I also use Piolet, DC++, & WinMx along with Shareaza. Don't get me wrong..I like Shareaza.. I just am finding the content I'm looking for on other programs.

Crazy Horse hit the nail on the head. Currently the p2ps I use serve my needs. I used to have every P2P under the sun but only used a couple. Now I just keep what I use and until I can't find what I need I'll stick with what I have

[nukehella]

I stopped using Shareaza at 1.8 because it pegs my CPU.I basically only need MP3's,and a few occasional other things and K-Lite just plain does the job better.
I read last night that 1.9 is easier on the CPU but have yet to try it.If Fasttrack goes down or starts charging I would use Shareaza in it's place.

[wonderboy2005]

personally, i like sharaza. the thing is, it doesnt really have anything that sticks out in favor over other clients and or networks. i use IRC, DC++, BT, and K++ and there is nothing that i want and cant find (that is out already). so why should i install more stuff on my pc? i like my setup as is, and unless needed, shareaza inst a part of it. its a nice program, but why go out for hamburgers when you've got steak at home?

[Muffin_Man]

shareaza is alright, but i find that i get better results using the original bittorrent/emule. when i tried to use bittorrent in shareaza, the downloads would hang at 99% for a number of hours before completing, and in both bt and emule i found that the general speeds were better when using the original clients. as for music, k++ has more content for mainstream music, as well as faster speeds, and i wont find any non-mainstream music on either kazaa or shareaza under most circumstances.

[Dealie]

Many reasons..

The top one being that shareaza has never created any network of their own. You are a leech on p2p in the truest sense of the word.

G2 is the closest you ever got to actually creating something and you only did that by screwing over the gnutella community. Right or wrong.. Theres something to be said for the thousands of people who hate mike for the way he operates.. We'll just ignore that and move ahead!

Get that done and now its tap into emule who didnt want you. No thought was given to the emule community until AFTER the release.. Now you have every appearance of wanting to work with the emule community. After the fact. Yet you've had a 2nd release since the inclusion of emule and the few things the emule community were demanding you add to shareaza were left out.

Then on to Bit torrent where you tap into another open source protocol that was entirely stand alone and didnt need another client. Also you provide no aditional network functions... Like reseeding back to the tracker once you finish your dl to make this support worthwhile other than to be able to say... YEAH WE CAN DO THAT TOO! just as good as the original. And we're closed source so nobody can ever see what we're doing, how we're doing it. Or even improve the way we do things.

And then theres the entire attitude of the developer... Hey. lets take all these open source clients and merge them into ours and call it the greatest thing ever! And never bother to release your own source when at least half of it would never have been possible without the hard work of hundreds of developers around the world who wanted to contribute something useful to an open source project, knowing that it would continue to be open source and continue to improve in great leaps.

Then there is the rabid I'M RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG attidtude of most shareaza supporters.. The unwillingness to discuss things in a rational and open manner. Actual problems are ignored and get responded to with flames and the ever popular "you dont know what you are talking about". Or deleted outright.

Overall i dislike the attitude of the program and developer more than i like the actual program.. Which isnt very much to begin with.. Its just not that good. Sure it has lots of networks. And sort of kind of almost does as good as the originals.. Why bother? I can run all those p2p programs at the same time and still use less resources on my pc than shareaza eats up.

All in all what does shareaza really offer? the ability to have multiple networks in one client. Something i never saw the need for in the first place... And if i really wanted multiple networks i'd use the mldonkey... It has everything YOU have.. and also includes kazaa... more networks... it must be better than shareaza... right?


Kazaa may be run by a money grubbing crap ass company. But at least we know where they are comming from and can understand their attitude. Not to mention they are taking the majority of the riaa/mpaa flak these days...

What happens when the riaa goes after shareaza? You are not multinational. You dont have the support of large companys with money and lawyers.. You dont even have the defense of it being open source and impossible to kill off.

Overall.. i can really do without shareaza and still get every single file i could want.. Faster than with shareaza... And with less crashing, errors, problems, hype, and bs.


So a better question would be... why ARE you using shareaza?

[dreams]

Originally posted by Dealie
Many reasons..

The top one being that shareaza has never created any network of their own. You are a leech on p2p in the truest sense of the word.

G2 is the closest you ever got to actually creating something and you only did that by screwing over the gnutella community. Right or wrong.. Theres something to be said for the thousands of people who hate mike for the way he operates.. We'll just ignore that and move ahead!

Get that done and now its tap into emule who didnt want you. No thought was given to the emule community until AFTER the release.. Now you have every appearance of wanting to work with the emule community. After the fact. Yet you've had a 2nd release since the inclusion of emule and the few things the emule community were demanding you add to shareaza were left out.

Then on to Bit torrent where you tap into another open source protocol that was entirely stand alone and didnt need another client. Also you provide no aditional network functions... Like reseeding back to the tracker once you finish your dl to make this support worthwhile other than to be able to say... YEAH WE CAN DO THAT TOO! just as good as the original. And we're closed source so nobody can ever see what we're doing, how we're doing it. Or even improve the way we do things.

And then theres the entire attitude of the developer... Hey. lets take all these open source clients and merge them into ours and call it the greatest thing ever! And never bother to release your own source when at least half of it would never have been possible without the hard work of hundreds of developers around the world who wanted to contribute something useful to an open source project, knowing that it would continue to be open source and continue to improve in great leaps.

Then there is the rabid I'M RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG attidtude of most shareaza supporters.. The unwillingness to discuss things in a rational and open manner. Actual problems are ignored and get responded to with flames and the ever popular "you dont know what you are talking about". Or deleted outright.

Overall i dislike the attitude of the program and developer more than i like the actual program.. Which isnt very much to begin with.. Its just not that good. Sure it has lots of networks. And sort of kind of almost does as good as the originals.. Why bother? I can run all those p2p programs at the same time and still use less resources on my pc than shareaza eats up.

All in all what does shareaza really offer? the ability to have multiple networks in one client. Something i never saw the need for in the first place... And if i really wanted multiple networks i'd use the mldonkey... It has everything YOU have.. and also includes kazaa... more networks... it must be better than shareaza... right?


Kazaa may be run by a money grubbing crap ass company. But at least we know where they are comming from and can understand their attitude. Not to mention they are taking the majority of the riaa/mpaa flak these days...

What happens when the riaa goes after shareaza? You are not multinational. You dont have the support of large companys with money and lawyers.. You dont even have the defense of it being open source and impossible to kill off.

Overall.. i can really do without shareaza and still get every single file i could want.. Faster than with shareaza... And with less crashing, errors, problems, hype, and bs.


So a better question would be... why ARE you using shareaza?

Hit the nail on the head for me. Thank you

[notbob]

because i think hashing is a waste of time

it discourages sharing by making a program take too long to set up/load

if you want kazaa types (or more users in general) , sharing has to be automatic, involving no effort whatsoever

hashing is a disincentive to share--i doubt there are too many 1 TB sharers on shareaza (or donkey) because it would take them a month (or more) to hash their stuff

[triniti]

I don't like it(Shareaza) because it just straight out gives bad transfer rates. All of the others BT++, gnucleus, emule give better rates, they max out my 3.5 Mb cable. Also since it does not span the files across the networks at all, then what is the point.

[phalkon30]

Originally posted by Christoph
would be great if G1/Edk are eleminated and Shareaza has its own protocol.
Simple fix for that, tell those networks not to connect.....

[Inverted Whale]

Originally posted by Dealie
Get that done and now its tap into emule who didnt want you. No thought was given to the emule community until AFTER the release.. Now you have every appearance of wanting to work with the emule community. After the fact. Yet you've had a 2nd release since the inclusion of emule and the few things the emule community were demanding you add to shareaza were left out.

eMule does not control the eDonkey network.

eMule does not control the eDonkey network.

eMule does not control the eDonkey network.

[mr.jip]

i havent bothered to read most of the posts for this topic but personally i dont use shareaza because
1. the download speeds are slower than those of others
2. I dont like the idea of connecting to the edonkey network has i dont have the time to queue for a day to get something

but everything i like, even if my dl speeds became faster i would definatly use it over kazaa l and others

[MoonMan]

I have found that (someone said this earlier in the thread) using the original ed2k/bittorrent clients to connect to their respective networks gives me over all better results and transfer speeds.. whether it be a 56k or a cable modem.

I have also had that problem where Shareaza "forgets" about partial downloads and I lose the file.

[jonny5]

Inverted whale, just ignore dealie. He's just trying to get a rise out of people and start some flaming.

Mr. jip, you can decide what networks to connect to in shareaza(you don't have to connect to the edonkey network).

I haven't been using filesharing apps lately. When i do use them, I use shareaza along with kazaa and piolet. The reason that I don't always use shareaza is because i get slow downloads (probably because i'm downloading off of a gnutella user) or I can't find what I'm looking for. Though I mainly use shareaza and when one of the two previously mentioned things happen, I use piolet and then kazaa lite in that order.

[beardedwonder]

just a quickie, can't remember who said it but the plural of virus is actually viruses, i only found this out today. Used to think it was virrii too.

[cpugeniusmv]

the only thing that is "wrong," in my opinion, is the lack of users. I use shareaza for everything it is capable of! however, when i can't find that one file that i really need....i just have to go to fasttrack, although i would rather have shareaza to be my main 'sharing' client.

irc is still the best "fast-getter" for new releases....for me anyway. ( my isp's news server is slow :-\ )

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by beardedwonder
just a quickie, can't remember who said it but the plural of virus is actually viruses, i only found this out today. Used to think it was virrii too.
according to the dictionary, it is viruses but i've always said virii

[Hova_19]

It was a bit slow to prepare the files for sharing for me. Too too much of my time. And, for some reason, it uses up resources even on this new pc.

[Scott2201]

Originally posted by triniti
Also since it does not span the files across the networks at all, then what is the point.
It does. Maybe you're thinking of mlDonkey. That doesn't.

[vudoo]

A p2p app is only as good as its user base. Shareze is a good client but no osers. E2k is as slow as hell. No one wants to wait for weeks to get one file. As far as I can see Kazaa is pretty messed up with misslabeled files. Shows how hashing does not always work for Kazaa. Maybe it should have the uption to see the files user by user. Since the hashing came out there has been a considerable increase in wrong files and the like. Maybe Justin will start his own p2p company and re develope WASTE and it will ROCK!

[thongsai]

slow transfers rates? lack of content? there is only 1 way to solve that.. we need u , <insert ur name here> ... how come u guys dont see the point of this thread? anenga is tryin to get more users on a good network.... dont just complain about transfer rate and and no content and do somethin about it.. share alot and bring ur friends.. man back when i was using bittorrent i always wanted a p2p app that comined features of kazaa and bittorrent.. and guess wat ? shareaza is it.. a decentralized , hash verified, and swarming downloads.. i mean how much better do u want it?? u can take a horse to water but u cant make it drink... theres a good p2p app for every1 but no 1 is using it.. thats sad.. can u just imagine 4 million users that doesnt corrupts downloads and uploads at the same time they are downloadin?? i bet when shareaza has 1 million users , it will be able to take on fasttrack 4 million..
Uncle thongsai says, " we need u , join shareaza" be all u can be lol

[notbob]

he's asking why we don't want to use it, not asking us to join. the people responding don't like it, see? so that means we aren't going to use it. get it?

it's not like the things we don't like about it will be changed

they won't stop hashing

they won't suddenly get faster

they won't patch up their tiffs with world + dog

[Evil_Dweller_01]

See... I use Shareaza because of it's GUI and the speeds on it are great for mp3s etc.

When I dont need anything from the Donkey network I just connect to G2. I feel that shareaza is not as capable of giving users good download speeds as lets say Ares, Kazaa Lite, or Winmx.
Shareaza tries to connect to 500k Alt sources that say connecting for 2 hours...and never do anything...If you can at least somehow hide that it wouldn't help..

When trying to download a movie from that network (on 1.8.2.0) and now with the new 1.9 (not much better when comes to downloads of big files) Shareaza would just download 24/7 at a steady rate of umm...let's see.... 0.45KB/s

My friend finished a movie in 2 weeks.. he tried Ares and Kazaa Lite and got the movie in 4 hours..that's the only bad thing I have against Shareaza

Everything else.. I must say Shareaza is the most feature rich, GUI-great, p2p client out there.. and I will continue to use it

[MoonMan]

Originally posted by thongsai
slow transfers rates? lack of content? there is only 1 way to solve that.. we need u , <insert ur name here> ... how come u guys dont see the point of this thread? anenga is tryin to get more users on a good network.... dont just complain about transfer rate and and no content and do somethin about it.. share alot and bring ur friends.. man back when i was using bittorrent i always wanted a p2p app that comined features of kazaa and bittorrent.. and guess wat ? shareaza is it.. a decentralized , hash verified, and swarming downloads.. i mean how much better do u want it?? u can take a horse to water but u cant make it drink... theres a good p2p app for every1 but no 1 is using it.. thats sad.. can u just imagine 4 million users that doesnt corrupts downloads and uploads at the same time they are downloadin?? i bet when shareaza has 1 million users , it will be able to take on fasttrack 4 million..
Uncle thongsai says, " we need u , join shareaza" be all u can be lol

The whole point of this thread is to give reason why we DON'T use it. What you call complaining, others refer to as constructive cricism.. and that's exactly what Anenga asked for.

[Psilaxs]

Lets see, i dont use it because............

[MoonMan]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
Lets see, i dont use it because............

That's a pretty good reason !! LOL

[Psilaxs]

Damn right it is LOL, thats all i get with Gnutella clients, maybe i should have shown that picture to the CEO guy (Cant remember his name ;) ) so he can get a visual of how badly his program will tank :devil

[Ken17625]

..........their default client

Why do we need a default client?

Shareaza is not too bad an application, but I love variety.

Besides, clients that i've seen (including Shareaza), that try to be Mr. ALL IN ONE application don't do as well as the individual clients/networks they are trying to emulate(eDonkey/eMule/BT/Kazaa etc).

That, and the various other points (notbob's hashing point, Dealie's points).

And least, but not unimportant, the "fanboyish" spamming mentality. Even the developer(s) seem to seed this mentality.

Oh well.

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[MoonMan]

Originally posted by Ken17625
Besides, clients that i've seen (including Shareaza), that try to be Mr. ALL IN ONE application don't do as well as the individual clients/networks they are trying to emulate(eDonkey/eMule/BT/Kazaa etc).

Jack of all trades, master of none... I think that defines Shareaza pretty good in its current state.

[Ashitaka's Ghost]

Originally posted by MoonMan
Jack of all trades, master of none... I think that defines Shareaza pretty good in its current state.

Actually, I think Shareaza is better than the default BitTorrent client, so it is at least the master of BT. :D

BT included, I average 100kb/s on all Shareaza downloads.

[Wings_of_Azrael]

Lately, I've been primarily using DC hubs and Usenet. BitTorrent is useless to me, don't use eMule much nowadays, and Gnutella and G2 never have what I'm looking for (and I'm not P2P charity for new networks). I simply don't fit the demographic.

[notbob]

Originally posted by Ashitaka's Ghost
Actually, I think Shareaza is better than the default BitTorrent client, so it is at least the master of BT. :D

BT included, I average 100kb/s on all Shareaza downloads.
go after lowest common denominator files and you can pull that off (it also helps if they are 10K txt files)

try for some quality stuff that someone might give a crap about and you will be disappointed

[broadwayrock]

All versions apart from the recent beta have not worked for me (Crashing etc) so I can only judge my experience with the most recent version.

Shareaza is a decent enough program itself, I like they way you can import the unfinished edonkey files and the fact that it connects to multiple networks.

BUT the search results on G2 are poor / non-existent.

The speeds on the edonkey network are s---l---o---w

The queues on the edonkey network seem to be twice as long as when i use edonkey/Emule clients.

The best thing about using this program seems to be the edonkey network but when there are several clients that are use the network better.

Shareaza needs to be less reliant on using other networks and concentrate on G2.

I’m sure if G2 had many more users this program could more popular and stand up on it own feet instead of riding on the coattails of others.

This is my experience with Shareaza.

I’m sure other people in this forum can find the files they need with this program but I use cannot, so I use other programs with more reliability.

I’m looking forward to Shareaza becoming good enough to rival the major programs out there. The problem is how long will I have to wait?

[Undying Wizard NHD]

I dont use Shareaza cause I cant get a file any faster then 40 kb/s

on kazaa(lite) I get up to 256 kb/s

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Most of the reasons i dislike shareaza have already been spoken well by dealie.

I particularly dislike the fact that this is a closed source client leeching from open networks full of open source clients.

[MusikBeatz23]

Originally posted by thongsai
havent u guys wondered if kazaa is so great y dont irc releasers use kazaa to release files? Because the files would spread out faster in IRC.

I use KaZaA Lite K++ (my avatar) because it easy to use and has 5+ million user and has 7+million GB (and if you want 2 B/S me with "have of those file are viruses... well there's still 3.5+ million files that are virus free and if your smart you could use and anti-virus...

But if your looking for a P2P app with more files, that could keep you downloading 24/7/365 you would have to go with DirectConnect.

I rarely use Shareaza only if I have to, and thats 1in 1000+...

[Ken17625]

Overall though, I think it's been established that people like to use multiple clients/networks.

I have yet to see someone post that they use Shareaza and ONLY Shareaza.

So the "default" client statement is kind of useless.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
Lets see, i dont use it because............

Yay.. thank you for the pic

Exactly what I meant in my post

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by aqlo
I do use shareaza of course, but I have a lot of trouble convincing my friends to try it because
a) they like kazaa too much; I can convince them to use k-lite with kazaa, but not a whole different program
b) they can't spell it, even after I have spelled it for them, so after Not finding it for ten minutes they give up
c) it still has some "gnutella" aftertaste to it, i e when they do try it it takes them a while to start finding things and there are way too many people sharing at only 5k or just leeching or pretending to share
Those are very interesting points, thanks. It's my belief that you won't get a lot of users unless there is a "migration period". There has been no migration period for Shareaza, but there has been for Kazaa. Did you hear about Kazaa before you started using Morpheus? Doubt it, everyone went to Kazaa from Morpheus. If Kazaa shut down, I think Shareaza could get a lot of new users, of course.

Regarding finding/downloading things, it should get a lot better after v1.9 is released because everyone will begin using the new upload system, which is (IMO) the best file distribution system avaliable. Searching has also improved because the resources needed for hubs has gone down significantly.

Regarding the name of the program, lol, yea I had to spell it out for a few friends also. Perhaps you could e-mail/AIM them the URL or something?
To these I would add that it takes quite a bit of smarts to get the best configuration for your pc. I use g2-only now and screen out the bearshare people and so I don't run into the various hassles, but an ordinary user is liable to find a bunch of great files that aren't Really shared with them and that must be disappointing.
This is significantly being improved in the latest beta, the UI has been simplified a lot and it will continue to be improved before the final. We also plan on adding a "Quick Settings" which will have everything every user would need to configure Shareaza. If your talking about all the settings in Shareaza, you don't need to configure those, as they're mainly for advanced users.

[HackenSlash]

I've been using Shareaza for a couple of weeks now i like it, of course i use alot of different p2p's. i have been able to find everything I was looking for on it, and i didn't have to dig through a bunch of crap like kazaa. Seems alot of things on kazaa are fake or full of viruses. Haven't had that problem on shareaza yet

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Christoph
hey!
I realy like Shareaza. I think if kazaa close I will recomment Shareaza and piolet(probably Ares). what i don't like? well.. for example this switching to Edonke network. I mean, G2 is a powerfull protocol,why would I use this ED network.there is a EDK client wich is better fot it then shareaza(emule).
would be great if G1/Edk are eleminated and Shareaza has its own protocol.


P.S: 100% global searching can't be made. BUT I can't search more then 8000 users....
Shareaza hasen't switched to the eDonkey network, it just now supports the eDonkey network along with BitTorrent, G2 & G1. Why is eDonkey a better client than Shareaza for eDonkey?

Shareaza pretty much does have it's own protocol, and IMO is the most technically advanced and superior protocol out there, G2. Only problem is that there isn't as many users/files that are on the other networks.

Shareaza does have global searching, if you can't search more than 8000 users that's probably because your search query was dropped because you got enough results already. Try searching for something more rare.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Crazy Horse
I have Shareaza but haven't used it much lately. I'm waiting for more improvements in the last release before I try it out. I'm still using the pre-BitTorrent version.
I must say that I'm finding almost everything from the new IMesh (hacked of course) and have been using that the most lately. I also use Piolet, DC++, & WinMx along with Shareaza. Don't get me wrong..I like Shareaza.. I just am finding the content I'm looking for on other programs.
IMO, Shareaza can win over Piolet & WinMX, but probably not DC++ as that has more content in certain areas (though I'd say it kind of sucks as you have to have like 60 GIG's to get into good hubs).

I think your situation is what most people have on this forum, they already have what works with them - and it supposibly is FastTrack, heh :)

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by nukehella
I stopped using Shareaza at 1.8 because it pegs my CPU.I basically only need MP3's,and a few occasional other things and K-Lite just plain does the job better.
I read last night that 1.9 is easier on the CPU but have yet to try it.If Fasttrack goes down or starts charging I would use Shareaza in it's place.
CPU has greatly been improved in the latest beta, you should see it. However, perhaps you may want to wait until the final is out, if you don't like to constantly upgrade.

I'm glad you'll use Shareaza if FastTrack/Kazaa goes down :)

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Muffin_Man
shareaza is alright, but i find that i get better results using the original bittorrent/emule. when i tried to use bittorrent in shareaza, the downloads would hang at 99% for a number of hours before completing, and in both bt and emule i found that the general speeds were better when using the original clients. as for music, k++ has more content for mainstream music, as well as faster speeds, and i wont find any non-mainstream music on either kazaa or shareaza under most circumstances.
Yea, that 99% thing was a nasty bug in the early betas. It's been fixed now, maybe you could re-try it? eDonkey has also been improved and I believe Shareaza will be using a credit system before the final. The speeds I find quite similar with Shareaza, but in SHareaza I can also swarm from G2 which helps.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Dealie
Many reasons..

The top one being that shareaza has never created any network of their own. You are a leech on p2p in the truest sense of the word.
I think this is FUD and your quite misinformed. Shareaza can connect to multiple networks, yes, but it does not leech at all from them! If you've found that it does leech, please let me know so that can be investigated, because that should not be the case.

Shareaza has created it's own network, though it does not neccessarly "belong" to Shareaza. It's Gnutella2.
G2 is the closest you ever got to actually creating something and you only did that by screwing over the gnutella community. Right or wrong.. Theres something to be said for the thousands of people who hate mike for the way he operates.. We'll just ignore that and move ahead!
Thousands? I wouldn't say it's that high. The only people who were upset were Gnutella regulars, like Vinnie etc. And that's understandable, as they feel they own Gnutella and that Shareaza should of consulted them first. The bottom line is that Shareaza is free, the new network is open, and that Mike had no foul intentions in any of it.
Get that done and now its tap into emule who didnt want you. No thought was given to the emule community until AFTER the release.. Now you have every appearance of wanting to work with the emule community. After the fact. Yet you've had a 2nd release since the inclusion of emule and the few things the emule community were demanding you add to shareaza were left out.
Did eDonkey want eMule to "tap" into their network? I doubt it, just as they're getting pissed that eMule is "tapping" into Overnet. They don't own the network, and if Shareaza shares and follows their protocol/rules, what's the big deal?

What things were they demanding?
Then on to Bit torrent where you tap into another open source protocol that was entirely stand alone and didnt need another client. Also you provide no aditional network functions... Like reseeding back to the tracker once you finish your dl to make this support worthwhile other than to be able to say... YEAH WE CAN DO THAT TOO! just as good as the original. And we're closed source so nobody can ever see what we're doing, how we're doing it. Or even improve the way we do things.
I think this is mostly FUD also. Who says that BitTorrent doesn't need a "new client"? Shareaza brings to BitTorrent what it doesn't have, a good client. Shareaza is easier and more efficent at downloading from BitTorrent. It also has a higher rate of sharing on BitTorrent since you aren't asked to close a window, you have to clear an entry from the list (Auto clear is disabled), thus your sharing it longer.

Granted, you can't "re-seed" torrents [yet]. Shareaza is mainly a downloading client for BitTorrent than a client where you create torrents, I believe the legacy clients do that fine and it would be harder to keep updated in Shareaza.
And then theres the entire attitude of the developer... Hey. lets take all these open source clients and merge them into ours and call it the greatest thing ever! And never bother to release your own source when at least half of it would never have been possible without the hard work of hundreds of developers around the world who wanted to contribute something useful to an open source project, knowing that it would continue to be open source and continue to improve in great leaps.
Why should Shareaza release it's source? Are you using Microsoft Windows? Are you aware that MS Windows is not open source? I think there is this odd falacy that anything closed source is doing something bad to your computer, not true. I think your using the fact that Shareaza is closed source as an excuse not to use it. What's next, it doesn't include the photo and DNA sample of Mike in the program? Or access to his bio so you can see he doesn't work for the RIAA?

Shareaza isn't interested in working on the BitTorrent network's protocol and it isn't interested in changing it. It's only giving users the ability of using one high quality, easy to use client to download stuff. You can download from websites (it has a download manger), BitTorrent, eDonkey & G2, and perhaps in the future other networks. Shareaza doesn't contain any spyware, ads or any of that crap, so I dont' understand all the negativity.
Then there is the rabid I'M RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG attidtude of most shareaza supporters.. The unwillingness to discuss things in a rational and open manner. Actual problems are ignored and get responded to with flames and the ever popular "you dont know what you are talking about". Or deleted outright.
Actually, I think it's the other side that wishes not to discuss things in a rational manner. People always spread FUD about Shareaza, then someone replies to correct them and what follows from that is flames against that person saying they're a "fanboy" etc. It's not warrented.

Shareaza users are especially enthusastic because they believe in Shareaza and would like other people to share their good experiences, it only shows how much passion Shareaza instills in people.
Overall i dislike the attitude of the program and developer more than i like the actual program.. Which isnt very much to begin with.. Its just not that good. Sure it has lots of networks. And sort of kind of almost does as good as the originals.. Why bother? I can run all those p2p programs at the same time and still use less resources on my pc than shareaza eats up.
I would like to see evidence of the original clients using up more resources than Shareaza. Maybe that was in an early beta, but if you kept up with the development process you'd know the CPU was greatly lowered in the latest version. Most people notice drops from 85% to 4%.

Shareaza allows you to easily use other networks in one client, so you can share the same library, have the same prefrences. It's like using eMule, BitTorrent++, BearShare etc. or just running one spyware/free/no ads pretty program, Shareaza? It's like Trillian, but perhaps you don't like Trillian either...
All in all what does shareaza really offer? the ability to have multiple networks in one client. Something i never saw the need for in the first place... And if i really wanted multiple networks i'd use the mldonkey... It has everything YOU have.. and also includes kazaa... more networks... it must be better than shareaza... right?
Have you ever used mldonkey? It aint' exactly easy to use. It has a deamon and you have to work to actually start the program and connect. If your favoring mldonkey over Shareaza, then you must be really anti-Shareaza or something...
Kazaa may be run by a money grubbing crap ass company. But at least we know where they are comming from and can understand their attitude. Not to mention they are taking the majority of the riaa/mpaa flak these days...

What happens when the riaa goes after shareaza? You are not multinational. You dont have the support of large companys with money and lawyers.. You dont even have the defense of it being open source and impossible to kill off.
Kazaa is very different because it profits off their client, they're profiting off of possible piracy of it's users, Shareaza is free and is non-profit. Also filesharing clients aren't really targets anymore, the users are.

If you believe what you just said then you should just be using Kazaa, because all the other apps your using most likely do not have the resources to hire lawyers etc. either.
Overall.. i can really do without shareaza and still get every single file i could want.. Faster than with shareaza... And with less crashing, errors, problems, hype, and bs.
I think what it boils down to is that there are some trendy anti-intellectuals who believe that anything that people like is automatically bad. If your favorite underground band gets on MTV, they suck now etc.

If Shareaza has more features, brings what you do in every single other client together into one, allows you to get just as many files as in any other client (including FastTrack), doesn't use that much memory etc., somehow I doubt you'd still use it. And Shareaza is pretty close to being there, too.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by notbob
because i think hashing is a waste of time
Sorry to break this to you, but every client has hashing (except for maybe DC). It's just that Shareaza hashes more extensivly. You only have to hash once anyways, how is that a problem? Do you want more info on what it's hashing and how long it's going to take?
it discourages sharing by making a program take too long to set up/load
What do you mean?
if you want kazaa types (or more users in general) , sharing has to be automatic, involving no effort whatsoever
Agreed, Shareaza basically already does this. Go through the wizard, it adds dirs, then it starts sharing the files (After hashing, which is a very painless process IMO).
hashing is a disincentive to share--i doubt there are too many 1 TB sharers on shareaza (or donkey) because it would take them a month (or more) to hash their stuff
Well, like I said, all clients have hashing. It's a neccessary evil to multi-source clients, you probably just don't notice it in your other clients. It's a background process anyways, why even worry about it?

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by triniti
I don't like it(Shareaza) because it just straight out gives bad transfer rates. All of the others BT++, gnucleus, emule give better rates, they max out my 3.5 Mb cable. Also since it does not span the files across the networks at all, then what is the point.
I diasgree that BT++, Gnucleus or eMule gives you better transfer rates... Shareaza has a much better upload system than any of those clients. Perhaps you could visit the Shareaza forums (http://forums.shareaza.com/) and explain your situation and we can help you get it setup.

And it does swarm across all networks (downloads a file from more than one network)...

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by mr.jip
i havent bothered to read most of the posts for this topic but personally i dont use shareaza because
1. the download speeds are slower than those of others
2. I dont like the idea of connecting to the edonkey network has i dont have the time to queue for a day to get something

but everything i like, even if my dl speeds became faster i would definatly use it over kazaa l and others
You don't "have" to connect to eDOnkey, its entirly optional. Just don't connect to it :) You have the freedom of connecting and disconnecting from any network you want, including G2.

Shareaza, admitly, is slower than say Kazaa on transfers because (obviously) it has millions upon millions of users.

[triniti]

Originally posted by Anenga2
I diasgree that BT++, Gnucleus or eMule gives you better transfer rates... Shareaza has a much better upload system than any of those clients. Perhaps you could visit the Shareaza forums (http://forums.shareaza.com/) and explain your situation and we can help you get it setup.

And it does swarm across all networks (downloads a file from more than one network)...

Yea right, show me a screenshot of a transfer a single file from bittorrent, gnutella, G2, and ed2k all at the same time(chunking it) then I might try it again.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by MoonMan
I have found that (someone said this earlier in the thread) using the original ed2k/bittorrent clients to connect to their respective networks gives me over all better results and transfer speeds.. whether it be a 56k or a cable modem.

I have also had that problem where Shareaza "forgets" about partial downloads and I lose the file.
The "Forgeting" was a nasty bug in the early betas, it's been fixed in v1890.

If you can download faster/better on other networks in other clients, then I suggest you help us uncover why that is in the Shareaza Forums (http://forums.shareaza.com) so it can be fixed.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
Lets see, i dont use it because............
Yea, I hate that also. But I don't get that that often. Were you using eDonkey, because that's just how eDonkey works, you have to stick around a while and wait in queues.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Ken17625
Why do we need a default client?

Shareaza is not too bad an application, but I love variety.

Besides, clients that i've seen (including Shareaza), that try to be Mr. ALL IN ONE application don't do as well as the individual clients/networks they are trying to emulate(eDonkey/eMule/BT/Kazaa etc).
Well, IMO, Shareaza works well on all the networks it supports. Though, I do admit, if you have them all connected at one time then you'll get poor performance on each of them because your bandwidth has to be spread between them. Just running G2 & eDonkey should be good though.

If you find reasons on why Shareaza is not as good as the legacy clients, please post about it on the Shareaza forums so it can be resolved.
That, and the various other points (notbob's hashing point, Dealie's points).
I agree with the hashing point, it is something that should be done faster and more in the background. Dealie had some good stuff to say, but I think a good portion of it was FUD...
And least, but not unimportant, the "fanboyish" spamming mentality. Even the developer(s) seem to seed this mentality.
Well, I certainly don't post fanboy stuff. At least, IMO, I never thought I did and I wouldn't classify any of it as fanboyish stuff. If you consider what I posted fanboy-ish then I'd say a lot of people on this forum are K++ fanboys.

Regarding that message, it's used so users who use Shareaza can inform their family/firends and Shareaza can grow. What's wrong with that? It isn't spam. Small price to pay for no ads/spyware crap.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Ken17625
Overall though, I think it's been established that people like to use multiple clients/networks.

I have yet to see someone post that they use Shareaza and ONLY Shareaza.

So the "default" client statement is kind of useless.
I would agree that most people on ZP use more than one client, probably use up to around 6 or 7. However, what I meant by default was exactly that, default. You must have a default client, also. It's probably K++. A default client is one that you use before you use another. Like you'll use K++, and if you can't find it there you use BitTorrent etc. I dind't mean default as in you only use one client.

[phalkon30]

Originally posted by Anenga2
The "Forgeting" was a nasty bug in the early betas, it's been fixed in v1890.
Oh really? Thats why when I had the latest build I lost all my downloads.....my dat file and .bak file went to 0k

After reading this page, I'm starting to think that Shareaza is like the KKK, they sound nice and inviting, and reel you in....and then.....

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by Anenga2
Yea, I hate that also. But I don't get that that often. Were you using eDonkey, because that's just how eDonkey works, you have to stick around a while and wait in queues.

No this was pre uber leach mode shareaza I.E before the Hijacked err i mean "implemented" other networks lol

[Ken17625]

Regarding that message, it's used so users who use Shareaza can inform their family/firends and Shareaza can grow.

Funny, the message didn't say that now did it?

You made that up............


You must have a default client, also. It's probably K++.


No you don't need a "default client". The network I search first for a file depends on the type. And on my mood hehehehe.

Well, IMO, Shareaza works well on all the networks it supports.

Well in my opinion, it doesn't.

I'd say a lot of people on this forum are K++ fanboys.

Most of that is popular opinion (best client on the biggest network). Besides, whens the last time you've seen a "why don't we all just use fasttrack?" thread? (don't need one anyway).

I think its pathetic you've resorted to begging for users like this and attempting to garner attention.

Small price to pay for no ads/spyware crap.

So if there is "nothing wrong with it", why is it a "small price to pay"?

It's a background process anyways, why even worry about it?

They are not being shared until they are hashed, correct? So what if you have TBs of files to be hashed?



You can go on forever, but its not going to help. People will use what they want to use (which is usually what they think is best for them).

[TipYourBartender]

To your original question...4 reasons why I don not use Shareaza:

1)I have Win98SE; Shareaza runs fine in that there are no buggy things; but it eats resources like a motherfucker. Fact is, my PC (nicknamed MumRa the Anicent) is too old to handle Shareaza.

2)Shareaza runs poorly through my university firewall. And yes, I have tried fucking with the port numbers and stuff. Not too good.

3)I am philosophically opposed to Mike's scorched earth way of doing things. Although I am not opposed to mavericks trying something new, Mike used and manipulated the P2P community for his own means. He is the Bill Gates of P2P, and I do not believe he is to be trusted.

4)I discovered Ares before Shareaza, and it works beautifully for me, so I don't really need anything else.

[Shareaza]

Thanks for the feedback guys, please continue :)

I've seen a few things here I haven't heard of before, which is a good sign.

Mike

[serrebi101]

I have been using the shareazaa betas since the beta test started, and the performance on bit torrent is the same. I get ruffly, 25kbps, 50k if I'm lucky in shareaza, and get the same in the normal bit torrent.
I've experienced higher speeds then that in shareaza, but there not very average,
Concerning edonkey: never got a file to complete, not because I am to stupid to wait... Mostly this was because of my screen reader problem[demo]

[Dealie]

Originally posted by Anenga2
Well, IMO, Shareaza works well on all the networks it supports. Though, I do admit, if you have them all connected at one time then you'll get poor performance on each of them because your bandwidth has to be spread between them. Just running G2 & eDonkey should be good though.


So you admit that shareaza cant do the one thing it hypes above all else... the ability to connect to several networks at once..

Kind of defeats the entire reason for running shareaza doesnt it?

[matt merch]

reasons why i dont shareaza ?
1 never seen a reason to use somthing when i can get all the content i need at max d/l speed and earlier released on irc why would i want to switch to somthing that is lower down the foodchain ?

[Lamourlady]

wow, an interesting thread.
mainly for the fact that i've never even tried Shareaza and from what i hear, wouldn't.
obviously, Anenga2 works for this app

This is significantly being improved in the latest beta, the UI has been simplified a lot and it will continue to be improved before the final. We also plan on adding a "Quick Settings"...

and is trying to do what this quote states...

I think its pathetic you've resorted to begging for users like this and attempting to garner attention. originally posted by Ken

but posted originally as a new user wanting reasons why we don't use the app, rather than stating from the get-go, that u were part of that "team".

i personally am not a fast-track fan and use WinMX, exclusively.
i have tried most of the other apps, but only use p2p for mp3s, for i am 56k, and it would be futile to even notion p2p for any other use.
i came from Napster and found that WinMX was the closest thing to it and have used it ever since.
i get what i want without queues and have shared consistantly and successfully.
there is no reason under the sun why i would want to go anywhere else, if i can get what i want from this app.
so i stand beside it and have become a fangirl, if u will.

[MoonMan]

I'm gonna reiterate something that has been said a few times in this thread.

The fact that Shareaza, a CLOSED source client, is tapping into networks full of open source clients is alone enough reason to not use it. It is obvious that Mike is doing this to populate his own G2 which isn't blazing like all of the fanboys preached.

[matt merch]

Originally posted by Anenga2
Shareaza has been very successful and has gained a lot of users, and has implamented a lot of groundbreaking features etc. However, in order to make Shareaza better I'd like to hear constructive critisim why some people on ZeroPaid don't like Shareaza, or rather don't use it.

I'm creating this topic just to get a vibe of what the average ZeroPaid uers thinks of Shareaza, and why they don't use it as their default client. I think there are a lot of misconceptions around the forum regarding Shareaza. (And downright FUD/Lies) So, why don't you use Shareaza? Is it a personal issue, or actual software limitation? If you use eDonkey or BitTorrent, why don't you use Shareaza for those networks? Though it's still in beta, it does work quite well (except some "Moving" issues etc., which are minor).

BTW: Please try to be constructive with your reasonings. Please no "it just sucks compared to x". Please go onto why exactly, and what Shareaza can do to improve and get you to use it.


love the condesending attitude does this guy work in telesales ?

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Dealie
I am saying it is a leech not in bytes sent for bytes recieved. but a leech on the entire p2p scene. You create nothing useful. Offer damm little. And want people to convert to your program. And still be on the same networks they use now.
I think your using a different P2P app. Shareaza is always coming up with new things. Entire new network protocol, new library, new upload system etc. Shareaza doesn't leech off other networks, it isn't trying to dominate everything. It allows different network choices so you can use one app and use all networks, just like how Trillian works. What's wrong with that?
If it wasnt thousands. why didnt everyone drop gnutella and switch when g2 came out if its so superior and great? maybe the thought doesnt sit well with people.
Lets just pretend for a moment that G2 was the best P2P protocol ever. Why wouldn't it get millions of users? Say a new P2P app came out, and was better than Kazaa (technologically) but it had no users/files. Do you think that app could become more popular than Kazaa? Doubt it, it would have to get as many users as it so people can download files from it etc. The point is that users won't change apps unless they're forced to, just look at this thread, everyone says that.

Its' not that they don't think G2 is good or that G2 isn't good, it's just that they're fine with what they're using. Even though G2 is as technologically advanced as it is, it can't just magically create users.
This is because emule didnt completely ignore the rules set down by the edonkey devs in the beginning. Rules regarding queues, forced sharing speeds ect. They worked within that basic set of rules and improved the functionality of the client. Nothing to bitch about that way.
Neither did Shareaza. Shareaza follows the queue rules, protocol etc. Shareaza follows the credit system, if users are not uploading the file they're downloading, they won't download fast because the users on the other end (eMule users) won't upload to them.

The credit system on Shareaza's side has yet to be implamented, so eMule users can kind of leech off Shareaza, but Shareaza is still in beta, so this can be done before the final.
LARGE queues. Theres a reason we have them. You brought us an entire network of users who dont want to share for 24-7 just to get one file.. they want it NOW and they dont care where that bandwidth comes from.. I can queue up for days on emule and sure.. i'm rated 3000 in some guys queue. but i know for sure.. 99.9% of the time i will get some part of the file from him.
Shareaza, by default, has queues at length 2000, so it supports "Long queues". Maybe your using an old version?
Abiltiy to connect to only ONE server at a time. Right now as of your current beta. You can still have shareaza connect to 100 edonkey servers at once. this is BAD FOR THE NETWORK! and should never have been allowed out of in house testing. Oh wait. you dont do that. You'd prefer to inflict your bugs on an entire group of people who didnt want anything to do with you. Nevermind.
You can only connect to 1 server in the latest version of Shareaza. You can edit the eMule source if you want to connect to more than one anyways, so it isn't like this is a unique issue.
LIMITED files sent to the server at connect. You are flooding the network with tons of crap ass little files. mp3, text, gif even for gods sake... all those files take up resources and serve to slow down the entire network. edonkey wasnt made for little tiny crap ass text files and the like... it was created for large scale mass distribution of large cd image files.. Even if that wasnt what was intended in the beginning.. thats how it worked out. it works good too. and you are screwing it up!
This will be addressed before final.
Fix those and go talk to the emule community. I'm sure they have plenty of more fixes for you.
MIke already did.
SO says all the people who have tried it and found the original gave better results.. BT was never a p2p client. It is a downloader plugin at best.. Why get in the car to drive 5 feet?
And i doubt overall if they share any longer than a normal bt client.. Most shareaza users seem to be the give me now and close the program type. 56k users, limited connection users.
What would users close first, the program app or a window that says "Download complete". I'm betting Shareaza users would share more on BitTorrent than regular BitTorrent users (who don't know to share, who don't keep their windows open).
Why? because you are building on the backs of open source programs. ALL OF THEM... It would be pure common courtsey to release the source to shareaza. Good karma for mike.
Not all clients are open source. It's more important if the network is open, and G2 is open. Shareaza doesn't build itself after the apps, just the networks. It's possible the source could be released in the future, not sure how that would help though. I'm sure people would still find problems with Shareaza, then just steal it's source and hurt the networks.
I dont expect microsoft to release the source for windows. They are a multinational billion dollar corporation. YOU are not. you are taking what was given for free and giving nothing back to the community that gave you the tools in the first place.. Your product would NOT be possible if it wasnt for open source programs. Yet you dont see any need to follow their example?
I would see if that would be a problem if Shareaza was profitable, it is not. Soo if Shareaza were open source, would you drop all your other clients and use Shareaza?
Got that completely backwards there.. I said.. shareaza uses more resources than running all of the other clients at the same time. Resources does not only include CPU either. Its a hog. "The windows of file sharing!"
What kind of resources? Memory? Because it uses less memory than eMule, BT++ & Gnucleus open right now.
Yes. I have. And no.. it doesnt come with a pretty gui for idiot users to point and click their way to stealing files.. That alone is a plus.. And it runs circles around shareaza even on your own g2 network... But as i have no real use for a multi network client.. Why bother.. And hey... you forgot mldonkey also supports kazaa... that other network your users are so fond of flaming... that other network with 4 million people.. lol
mldonkey doesn't even share on G2, why aren't you complaining about that? :p FastTrack is a licensed protocol, it's illegal to use it unless you pay to use it.
I do use kazaa... Kazaa is safe for several reasons. Decentralized, Impossible to sue in court almost. And has the resources to fight back.
Decentralized, not really. It's been reported it has centralized components, but that's besides the point. I don't think it's impossible to sue either, the **AA won't give up easily.
I also use emule. Emule CANNOT be killed unless they figure out how to shut down each and every server thats not based in this country. It also has the strength of being open source. If the main developers ended up in court.. Hmm.. so what... we have all the source now. we can rewrite any way we like to avoid any new measures the anti p2p people bring out.
The program is completely independant of the developer.. shareaza is not.
eMule is centralized though, you just kill the popular servers and threten them with lawsuits and they're screwed. Even though it's open source that doesn't mean people will be willing to code for it, it needs dedicated people. If those people are "thrown in court" I don't know who would want to continue development.

IF.
You follow the rules set down for each network you add into shareaza. completely. and not what you feel like following.
Yes, it will.
At least ASK ahead of time even by a public poll on your own site.. if you should add X network in.
What for? People were already crying for eDonkey for a long long time, people requested BitTorrent too.
Make the FULL source openly available under the GPL scheme.
I don't know about that, Mike spends a lot of time on Shareaza. I doubt he'd just want to open the source just so a few ZeroPaid users will use it. When it comes down to it, majority of users don't really care. (Basic/Newbie users).
I have nothing left to bitch about and would gladly use it.

But somehow i doubt that will ever happen..
Yea, I doubt you'd stop bitching too ;)

[matt merch]

Originally posted by matt merch
reasons why i dont shareaza ?
1 never seen a reason to use somthing when i can get all the content i need at max d/l speed and earlier released on irc why would i want to switch to somthing that is lower down the foodchain ?


so you can't tell me why i should switch to shareaza from irc ok no problem will stick with irc

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Dealie
So shareaza does hash conversion?

How would it know that a file on g2 and a file on edonkey are exactly the same? and use both as a source...
You can't convert hashes, that's impossible. Files on the network include the SHA1/CMD4/MD5 etc. with the file, so when you download using the SHA1 you also get the MD4, so you can search for sources on eDonkey. Shareaza uses verfication on each network, so if the file is invalid it will remove the source and re-download the segments.

[matt merch]

wonder how much your paid by shareza to hawk this crap ?

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Dealie
So you admit that shareaza cant do the one thing it hypes above all else... the ability to connect to several networks at once..

Kind of defeats the entire reason for running shareaza doesnt it?
*sigh* It can, but if you have low resources (Bandwidth) you'll get better performance if you dont' connect to every network. You can't do much about network overhead.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by matt merch
so you can't tell me why i should switch to shareaza from irc ok no problem will stick with irc
If you like IRC, stay with IRC. IRC isn't P2P though, but I find BitTorrent to be better than IRC.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Lamourlady
wow, an interesting thread.
mainly for the fact that i've never even tried Shareaza and from what i hear, wouldn't.
obviously, Anenga2 works for this app
This thread is supposed to be negative, it's about people who don't use Shareaza. There are threads on why people don't use Kazaa, WinMX, Ares etc., maybe check out those too.

I don't work for it, but I'm on the Alpha Team.
there is no reason under the sun why i would want to go anywhere else, if i can get what i want from this app.
so i stand beside it and have become a fangirl, if u will.
Then don't, use whatever works for you.

[matt merch]

Originally posted by Anenga2
If you like IRC, stay with IRC. IRC isn't P2P though, but I find BitTorrent to be better than IRC.



lol irc not p2p what are you talking about u obviously dont understand irc how come i share stuff on irc and d/l off another computer thats p2p person to person why do u have talk such rubbish ?

please try to engage ur brain before posting more of your fanboy shareaza rubbish

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by matt merch
lol irc not p2p what are you talking about u obviously dont understand irc how come i share stuff on irc and d/l off another computer thats p2p person to person why do u have talk such rubbish ?

please try to engage ur brain before posting more of your fanboy shareaza rubbish
It's not P2P like Kazaa. IRC is called Internet Relay Chat, it wasen't designed for P2P. You can certainly use IRC for transfering files, but it really is not a P2PNetwork.

[MoonMan]

Originally posted by matt merch
lol irc not p2p what are you talking about u obviously dont understand irc how come i share stuff on irc and d/l off another computer thats p2p person to person why do u have talk such rubbish ?

please try to engage ur brain before posting more of your fanboy shareaza rubbish

I have to agree with Anenga on this one. IRC stands for internet relay chat. It was ment for, and is currently used for chatting. While you can, and certainly thousands do, use it for downloading files, that isn't its original purpose.

[Lamourlady]

DAMN!
and i was just gonna say how well u have handled all of the criticism here in this thread and u go off on me...i am confounded.
now i take it back.
and btw..........i have read all the threads in this forum.
*sticks out tongue at u*

[MoonMan]

When did that happen ? I don't see anywhere on this thread where you were flamed. Or did I miss the joke ?

[Lamourlady]

Originally posted by MoonMan
When did that happen ? I don't see anywhere on this thread where you were flamed. Or did I miss the joke ?

nah.......he didn't flame me.......i just wanted to stick my tongue out.
he just happened to be in my eye's view.

[MoonMan]

Originally posted by Lamourlady
nah.......he didn't flame me.......i just wanted to stick my tongue out.
he just happened to be in my eye's view.

OK so I did miss the sarcasm. Forgive me, it's 5:31am. :-P

[Lamourlady]

Originally posted by MoonMan
OK so I did miss the sarcasm. Forgive me, it's 5:31am. :-P

u r forgiven.
u have to admit he has been quite pleasant, eh?

[nasrules]

Shareaza allows global searching, better quality files, better hashing, and also PeerWeb.org (I'm an Admin there) is a huge supporter of it!

[Robert Ray]

Originally posted by matt merch
lol irc not p2p what are you talking about u obviously dont understand irc how come i share stuff on irc and d/l off another computer thats p2p person to person why do u have talk such rubbish ?
In my opinion, Anenga's right. But since my opinion disarees with your opinion, I'm talking "shareaza fanboy rubbish" which should be immediately disregarded; even tho these opinions have nothing to do with Shareaza. I thought we were talking about IRC being considered P2P here....
please try to engage ur brain before posting more of your fanboy shareaza rubbish
Why are you being so rude over some guy posting on the net. Wow, did he do something cruel to you?

[Ken17625]

Soo..........................................

Did it work?

Is everyone using Shareaza now like good little boys and girls?


Didn't think so................

[TipYourBartender]

Why should Shareaza release it's source? Are you using Microsoft Windows? Are you aware that MS Windows is not open source? I think there is this odd falacy that anything closed source is doing something bad to your computer, not true. I think your using the fact that Shareaza is closed source as an excuse not to use it. What's next, it doesn't include the photo and DNA sample of Mike in the program? Or access to his bio so you can see he doesn't work for the RIAA?

I came across this while reading this thread, and I cannot believe someone would say something so fucking obtuse. How can you, in all honesty, expect Mike to take code from THREE clients, create some sort of superprogram, give NOTHING back to the P2P community until the public outcry became so great that he almost had no choice, and have everyone be okay with it???? HOW????

THIS is what I mean when I say I am philosophically opposed to Mike's way of doing things.

[Inverted Whale]

Originally posted by TipYourBartender
How can you, in all honesty, expect Mike to take code from THREE clients, create some sort of superprogram, give NOTHING back to the P2P community until the public outcry became so great that he almost had no choice, and have everyone be okay with it???? HOW????

It's basically your word against his, as he's already stated that he didn't copy source code.

Stop the slander unless you can prove it.

[JulesH]

Originally posted by TipYourBartender
I came across this while reading this thread, and I cannot believe someone would say something so fucking obtuse. How can you, in all honesty, expect Mike to take code from THREE clients, create some sort of superprogram, give NOTHING back to the P2P community until the public outcry became so great that he almost had no choice, and have everyone be okay with it???? HOW????

THIS is what I mean when I say I am philosophically opposed to Mike's way of doing things.

OK, Firstly, Mike did not take any code from the original clients for the networks you say he has ripped off. Shareaza is a clean implementation of 4 published protocols, one of which Mike developed himself, and another of which he made clear contributions back to.

Of these 4 protocols, Shareaza is the original G2 client so obviously no accusation of stealing open source code can be made here. AFAIK the original eDonkey2000 client was not open source (correct me if I'm wrong here). The most popular client on Gnutella (BearShare) is not open source. And Mike has had discussions with the developer of BitTorrent who has no problems whatsoever with what Mike has done with his protocol.

So what are you complaining about?

[RuntimeError]

shareaza is superior to kazaalite. ive been using kazaa and lite since they were released and they dont even come close to what shareaza offers. if shareaza could connect to the kazaa net then that would be the end of them.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by TipYourBartender
I came across this while reading this thread, and I cannot believe someone would say something so fucking obtuse. How can you, in all honesty, expect Mike to take code from THREE clients, create some sort of superprogram, give NOTHING back to the P2P community until the public outcry became so great that he almost had no choice, and have everyone be okay with it???? HOW????

THIS is what I mean when I say I am philosophically opposed to Mike's way of doing things.

good post TYB. Ruthlessly exposing mike for the p2p leech he so patently is.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by JulesH


So what are you complaining about?

Im complaining because mike is a greddy SOB who wont release his source. How do we know if he has implemented bittorrent and ed2k support in a way which supports those networks if no-one can examine his code? Take the word of one post fanboys from the shareaza forum?

[Krell]

you stole the words right out of my mouth


good call grab_grab_the_haddock



funny how they just magically show up

*poofycheeseballs*

[dreams]

It seems like the people at Shareaza is loosing patience here. Hmm.. This kinda reminds me when everyone turned their backs on Xolox.

[Shareaza]

It would be nice if we could keep this thread constructive.. it's supposed to be negative, but if it's at least constructive then some good can come out of it. :)

One thing I would defend though is that "code stealing" accusation: Shareaza.exe does not include ANY code from any other program, period. I'm very strict about that rule, and as such don't even use any free code or 3rd party libraries (aside from the usual MS stuff, RTL, MFC, ATL). I code in a very specific way and don't like polluting it with other people's stuff, even if it might be faster to do so.

Any external code I must use is packaged externally as a DLL, for example zlib and mfc. A few modules have been contributed by Shareaza users, for example some support apps for unpacking skins and smart download preview filters.

The idea that Shareaza takes advantage of open source efforts for its own gain is really wrong. It connects to G2, G1, eDonkey and BitTorrent using original network stack implementations in each case, created using the published details of those protocols. All of those networks bar BitTorrent were actually created by closed-source products, and the original BitTorrent app is written in a language so obscure it might as well be closed-source. ;)

I'm still very interested in hearing what people think of Shareaza. this thread has been very good so far.

[aqlo]

Emule DOES control the donkey network. and not by railroading its users into using it or ELSE... but by offering more and more features than the donkey ever did. or even had planned as far as anyone but god
Wouldn't that mean that Shareaza controls the gnutella network? It's the only gnutella thingie that Anyone I know uses. Lot of people defend bearshare but I don't know anyone who uses it, they use kazaa if they want ads&crap.

I Would love to see the source-code, but it's no big issue releasing the protocol was more than Fair Enough.

So I'm getting the idea hashing should be completely invisible?

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by aqlo
Wouldn't that mean that Shareaza controls the gnutella network? It's the only gnutella thingie that Anyone I know uses. Lot of people defend bearshare but I don't know anyone who uses it, they use kazaa if they want ads&crap.

I Would love to see the source-code, but it's no big issue releasing the protocol was more than Fair Enough.

So I'm getting the idea hashing should be completely invisible?

Im pretty sure bearshare and limewire both have more users than shareaza.

and the protocal was only released grudgingly after much argument and various threats. Which, amonst other things mike has done makes me suspicious of his intentions.

[Cenarious]

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock
Im pretty sure bearshare and limewire both have more users than shareaza.

and the protocal was only released grudgingly after much argument and various threats. Which, amonst other things mike has done makes me suspicious of his intentions.

um, didnt Mike say all along that he would release his code/source for G2. He did not give a fixed date as to when but when he announced G2 he said it would be opensource.

Back to topic: I think that the new upload window needs improvement in terms of bandwidth throttling. I dont think the user should have to enter the KB/s, kb/s etc manually as users can make mistakes, which can lead to extremely slow uploads or extremely fast uploads.
Also a lot of the time people are not uploading off me as they could be, e.g. i have set the max upload to 10KB/s and a lot of the time it people upload at a combined 6KB/s. I know it could be that they are all 56kers but it happens too freequently for that to be the issue.

[Robert Ray]

Originally posted by Ken17625
Soo..........................................

Did it work?

Is everyone using Shareaza now like good little boys and girls?


Didn't think so................

Umm, could have sworn this thread was for "constructive critisism" and not for "everyone to use Shareaza like good little boys and girls". Judging from this pointless note, I guess Anenga didn't get that point through. Sometimes he has problems with getting his points across. But since I'm being completely logical and, by chance, that logic is on the side of Anenga at the moment- I'm just speaking "Shareaza fanboy rubbish" and this post should be immediately disregarded.

/me thinks this thread got off topic

[JulesH]

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock
Im pretty sure bearshare and limewire both have more users than shareaza.


I believe that's true, yes.


and the protocal was only released grudgingly after much argument and various threats. Which, amonst other things mike has done makes me suspicious of his intentions.

I don't think Mike released the protocol grudgingly. He always intended to release it, he just had other priorities than writing up the documentation for it. Like making sure it worked first. OK, some people weren't happy with how long it took. But the wild conspiracy accusations that flew around that it was all an attempt to lock gnutella users in to a new closed network instead of gnutella turned out to be FUD.

[JulesH]

Originally posted by Cenarious
um, didnt Mike say all along that he would release his code. He did not give a fixed date as to when but when he unveiled G2 he said it would be opensource.

I don't think you're right. He said all along that he would release specs for the network, which he has done, but I don't think he ever said he would release any source.

[killswitch1968]

Originally posted by bobwonderful
Well..I use Shareaza almost exclusively... However, my friends tell me that Kazaa being the largest network is easy to get all of the music they want because there is the largest collection there. Kazaa just did a great job of marketing when Napster died.


This is EXACTLY right. More users = more content. And as a death metalhead, I NEED rare songs. Shareaza can't even find bloody The Yearning songs, and they're even a signed band!

[Induna]

All I want to know is what does FUD mean? Is it an acronym or an actual word? I've only ever seen Anenga use it.

I'll hazard a guess, is it "Fucked Up Disinformation"?

[Cenarious]

Originally posted by JulesH
I don't think you're right. He said all along that he would release specs for the network, which he has done, but I don't think he ever said he would release any source.

lol i was talking about the G2 specs/source, sorry if i confused you :fire

[JulesH]

Originally posted by Induna
All I want to know is what does FUD mean? Is it an acronym or an actual word? I've only ever seen Anenga use it.

I'll hazard a guess, is it "Fucked Up Disinformation"?

FUD is 'Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt'. It is a marketing tactic to prevent people using your compteitors product by making them afraid that it won't work as advertised. It has been most notably used by Microsoft, and some sources suggest that the term may have originated there.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Dealie
You are so funny.. :)


SO.. shareaza just magically "knows" that a file from g2 and a file on edonkey are the exact same and can use both as a source...

Sounds like you do alot of downloading useless data that way without some sort of hash coversion to begin with. Very redundant.
Shareaza hashes files in both CMD4 & SHA1, so yes it knows if they're the same file. It's possible users could fake the CMD4 (if that's what your implying), but after a few KB the source will be TTH'd out.

[Anenga2]

Originally posted by Dealie
What possible reason do you have to take advantage of open source programs and protocols like you have just to rewrite it all into your own package... unless there is some other motive we havent seen yet..
I think people need to stop with these silly conspiracy theories. Shareaza added support for other networks because it's userbase wanted it. The point is that you can either use 4 different programs for 4 different networks, or just use Shareaza. Just like Trillian, where you can use AIM/ICQ/MSN etc., or just use Trillian.
You are either very anal about your code being ALL YOUR CODE.
Anal? Your insulting his integrity (calling him a lier), which isn't right, and every person should have the right to defend their integrity, as he's doing. That doesn't make him Anal.
Or you are stupid and like making more work for yourself. All that redundant code and not one copied line?
Um. BitTorrent is in Python, Shareaza is in C++. Maybe you don't know anything about programming, but you can't just copy one line and put into another from Python to C++... :P
Or at some point in the future you plan on selling shareaza in some form and want nobody else to have any rights to it.
Conspiracy Theory alert.
SHAREAZA WOULD NEVER HAVE EXISTED IF IT WASNT FOR THE HARD WORK OF MANY MANY DEVELOPERS WHO USED THE OPEN SOURCE FORM FOR THEIR WORK!!!
Yes, the network open source-ness. Shareaza has specs for it's network, Gnutella2, here (http://www.gnutella2.com/). Shareaza doesn't steal code.

So your saying that because HTTP/FTP etc. are open protocols, clients such as CUTEFTP etc. should be sued or demoralized because they're closed (and Commercial!) clients? Give me a break. It just seems your looking for any excuse to throw Shareaza through the mud, which is getting more than annoying.

[Dealie]

This is really the end of the discussion.


1) Follow the rules set down for each network you add into shareaza. completely. and not just what you feel like following.

2) Make the FULL source openly available under the GPL scheme.


Until you do these two things.
You will NEVER have the users and support you want.
Accept it.

[cleverhat85]

Originally posted by Dealie
]1) Follow the rules set down for each network you add into shareaza. completely. and not just what you feel like following.
Yes, I think this is the morally right thing to do. If your going to go onto other networks, accept their standards/protocol, even though some of it is crap (Credit system? Bah, Long queues? Yuck). In the most part, I think Shareaza is complying with the standards.
2) Make the FULL source openly available under the GPL scheme.
It would be nice, but I don't think it's neccessary. It's Mike's app, he can choose to do whatever he wants with it - like it or not.
Until you do these two things.
You will NEVER have the users and support you want.
Accept it.
The newbie users won't give a crap whether it uses the standards or not. Not saying Shareaza shouldn't, but they just don't care. Look at Morpheus, it destroyed the Gnutella network but the users don't care. If they can get files, that's all they can care about.

So Shareaza will get users regardless of what you think about Mike.