Why don't you use Shareaza?

[Robert Ray]

Originally posted by Dealie
This is really the end of the discussion.
It's not the end of the discussion. Hopefully, it's just the end of you taking it off topic. Can we get back to constructive critism for Shareaza maybe....?

1) Follow the rules set down for each network you add into shareaza. completely. and not just what you feel like following.
I agree

2) Make the FULL source openly available under the GPL scheme.
Utter BS. Someone summed it up well already. Most popular client on Gnutella is closed source. Originator of edonkey and reluctant loser of control to emule is closed source. BitTorrent originator spoke to Mike and was happy to have another client support his protocol. And G2 is created by Mike and has open standards. Even if all this didn't matter: Stop this ridiculous argument that it has to be open source to gain support. It simply makes you lose credibility and makes your valid points look just as ridiculous. Heh, I'm sure Windows and KaZaA need to be open source to gain support to. They're just dying for users.

Until you do these two things.
You will NEVER have the users and support you want.
Accept it.
Ok, whatever....so back on topic (why don't' you use Shareaza):
I use Shareaza but only to compliment KaZaA. KaZaA simply has more content and since it has centralized components, connecting is quicker.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by Robert Ray
Originator of edonkey and reluctant loser of control to emule is closed source.

So? I dont care where ed2k originated from. The fact is that the vast majority of clients which connect to the network are open source.
Besides, shareaza is a client which connects to other networks besides ed2k and unlike the vast majority of ed2k clients shareaza has no vested interest in supporting the ed2k network.
That is why we would like to see shareaza as an open source client. So we can verify that it is doing nothing to harm our network.


BitTorrent originator spoke to Mike and was happy to have another client support his protocol.

I couldnt give a flying fuck what the Bittorrent originator said. Just because he is happy for shareaza to hijack the network, it doesnt follow that everyone who uses bittorent should also be pleased about it.


Stop this ridiculous argument that it has to be open source to gain support. It simply makes you lose credibility and makes your valid points look just as ridiculous. Heh, I'm sure Windows and KaZaA need to be open source to gain support to. They're just dying for users.

I wouldnt argue that shareaza should be open source so it can get more users. But i would say that shareaza should be open source so what it is doing to the networks it connects to can be scrutinized.


Ok, whatever....so back on topic (why don't' you use Shareaza):


We were never off topic. The question was "why dont you use Shareaza?" we answered "because it is a closed source client from a man with a dubious reputation". You might not agree with this but it certainly isnt off topic. Try again.

[Robert Ray]

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock
So? I dont care...
I couldnt give a flying fuck...
...Try again.
I don't really care for your opinion on the topic at all. Did I say you care about the conditions on which the protocols were adopted? No. Because I wasn't talking to you. Did I say you were close to being off topic? No. Because I wasn't talking to you. Oh, just maybe, my arguments were directed to the person I quoted repeatedly in my post.

Damn, that makes too much sense. Must be fanboy rubbish. Continue to discredit things that I didn't even attribute to you. Or....maybe you should "try again" by responding to someone who's talking to you. There are plenty of other posts in this thread where people have pointed out the flaws of your judgement.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by Robert Ray
I don't really care for your opinion on the topic at all. Did I say you care about the conditions on which the protocols were adopted? No. Because I wasn't talking to you.

It may have escaped your notice, but zeropaid.com is a public forum where anyone can post. It is not a haven for your private discussions. If you want to chat to dealie privately i suggest you PM him.



Originally posted by Robert Ray
Did I say you were close to being off topic? No. Because I wasn't talking to you. Oh, just maybe, my arguments were directed to the person I quoted repeatedly in my post.

So in other words you are unable to respond to anything i say and want to comment on something completely irrelevant to distract from the pungent whiff of bullshit emanating from your vicinity.

I say to you again. If you want to carry on a private discussion, take it to PM, otherwise grow the fuck up and be prepared for criticism from anyone who reads this thread and spots the obvious crap you are trundling out.


Originally posted by Robert Ray
There are plenty of other posts in this thread where people have pointed out the flaws of your judgement.

For example?

[vipp]

I apologize in advance for not reading every post in this thread. Anyway, the reason I don't use it is that I don't see many sites with verified hotlinks.

Are there links like Sharereactor for Shareaza, and if so, could someone kindly share the home page links to such sites? (I assume that's alright to post here)

[jonny5]

i'm pretty sure there are more vipp but i only know of one. www.sharelive.com

[Evil_Dweller_01]

PeerWeb (http://www.peerweb.org)

[Platinum Theory]

The new Shareaza is not for me. I have Windows ME, with a 56k connection, Shareaza ALWAYS makes Windows crash, dont get me wrong, Windows ME crashes ALOT, but its never crashed because of a P2P Client before (except Grokster i think, but thats it) The new feature of Shareaza seems great but for me its more worthless then a bag of dog, cat, and rat crap. Shareaza is just not a worthy client for me. KL seems great but now i use Kazaa M8, probably the best me thinks. Anyways Shareaza really needs to fix those connection problems or else ALOT of people wont go to the client and forever stay with KLite.

[Deep Thought]

Just to clear something up. Limewire is presently the most popular client on the Gnutella network. And Limewire is open-source.

[Robert Ray]

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock
It may have escaped your notice, but zeropaid.com is a public forum where anyone can post. It is not a haven for your private discussions. If you want to chat to dealie privately i suggest you PM him.
---some stuff I didn't read---
For example?
If you didn't notice: There is a QUOTE button for a reason. It's for responding to specific points a person made. Daelie made specific points and I quoted them and responded to them. You pretended I was talking to you, which changes the points completely, and then discredited them as if they made sense in the changed context you invented. I don't know why this is even a discussion. You're clearly wrong and for the sake of keeping this thread on topic I'm not responding to you or reading your posts on this thread any more.

I don't care enough to show you an example of someone who actually responded to you. All I know is there are plenty of posts in this thread where a person quoted you and who's respone to those quotes were in the context of talking to you. If I decided I could add my own two cents onto their response since this is a "public forum". But, unlike you, I won't pretend the quote responses were directed at me when I know it changes the context completely. What you did, was a waste of time. End of discussion.

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by Robert Ray
If you didn't notice: There is a QUOTE button for a reason. It's for responding to specific points a person made. Daelie made specific points and I quoted them and responded to them. You pretended I was talking to you, which changes the points completely, and then discredited them as if they made sense in the changed context you invented. I don't know why this is even a discussion. You're clearly wrong and for the sake of keeping this thread on topic I'm not responding to you or reading your posts on this thread any more.

I don't care enough to show you an example of someone who actually responded to you. All I know is there are plenty of posts in this thread where a person quoted you and who's respone to those quotes were in the context of talking to you. If I decided I could add my own two cents onto their response since this is a "public forum". But, unlike you, I won't pretend the quote responses were directed at me when I know it changes the context completely. What you did, was a waste of time. End of discussion.

You need to come to terms with common sense real fast, it will make your stay here a lot easier.

It matters NOT, who your post was originally directed at. This is a PUBLIC discussion board, and people may quote whom ever they decide if they find fault (in their opinion) with what they have said.

You just cannot exclude someone from quoting you whether it was directed at them or not.

Since this is an open forum, all post are fair game to anyone :)

And Grab_Grab was merely exercising his "right" to do so.

[Dealie]

Lets get back on topic.

that being shareaza sucks. and we all know it.

and those that dont. dont seem to know much else.. :P

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by Robert Ray
If you didn't notice: There is a QUOTE button for a reason. It's for responding to specific points a person made. Daelie made specific points and I quoted them and responded to them. You pretended I was talking to you, which changes the points completely, and then discredited them as if they made sense in the changed context you invented. I don't know why this is even a discussion. You're clearly wrong and for the sake of keeping this thread on topic I'm not responding to you or reading your posts on this thread any more.

I don't care enough to show you an example of someone who actually responded to you. All I know is there are plenty of posts in this thread where a person quoted you and who's respone to those quotes were in the context of talking to you. If I decided I could add my own two cents onto their response since this is a "public forum". But, unlike you, I won't pretend the quote responses were directed at me when I know it changes the context completely. What you did, was a waste of time. End of discussion.

is that the best you can do? "there is a quote button for a reason" hahaha. nice try kiddo. Now go crying back to the shareaza forum with your tail between your legs.

[Robert Ray]

He can respond to whatever he feels like whenever he wants. I simply said don't take the message out of context by redirecting direct comments at himself. Like he has rights, I have the right to point out mistakes that make his argumens moot to me. Please don't insult my "common sense" or force me to explain the concept of context to you. I already ended this off topic debate with him and don't feel like starting another. Like Daelie said. Let's get back on topic: Shareaza sucks :P

Originally posted by Psilaxs
You need to come to terms with common sense real fast, it will make your stay here a lot easier.

It matters NOT, who your post was originally directed at. This is a PUBLIC discussion board, and people may quote whom ever they decide if they find fault (in their opinion) with what they have said.

You just cannot exclude someone from quoting you whether it was directed at them or not.

Since this is an open forum, all post are fair game to anyone :)

And Grab_Grab was merely exercising his "right" to do so.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by Robert Ray
He can respond to whatever he feels like whenever he wants.

I didnt take your comments out of context at all.
It doesnt matter a bit who your comments were directed at. If your arguments were correct they would stand on their own merits and not rely on the context of the person they were directed at.
Just be big enough to admit you got it wrong.
Maybe then you wont look like such a pathetic loser.

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock

Just be big enough to admit you got it wrong.
Maybe then you wont look like such a pathetic loser.

Youch, that was a tad harsh man :fire

[dague12]

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock
But i would say that shareaza should be open source so what it is doing to the networks it connects to can be scrutinized.
So, have you "scrutinized" line by line the code of your car's computer? You should make sure it is not bad, at least it could cause more problem than just a file sharing app. Or did you check that all the connections that the manufacturer did to make your motherboard were right? You might also drink a Coke, but you don't know how it was made. Everything implies a little level of trust, or else the world won't work. This leads me to believe that the only reason why some few people ask for the source code of an application is just for curiosity, and maybe want to steal a little bit of it too.

[Krell]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
Youch, that was a tad harsh man :fire

Well when you come storming in like Robert Ray in this thread, kid gloves are off. Irrespective of that, if the flaming continues this thread will be closed, and if I dont do it, someone else will.


And dague12, I wouldnt presume to have to speak for grab grab, but what he says in completely justified, and you know that cars computer? Guess what, someone already scrutinized it. And we hold them accountable for doing an adequate job. Expecting to trust someones work is THE RESULT of the scrutiny, not blind faith.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by dague12
So, have you "scrutinized" line by line the code of your car's computer? You should make sure it is not bad, at least it could cause more problem than just a file sharing app. Or did you check that all the connections that the manufacturer did to make your motherboard were right? You might also drink a Coke, but you don't know how it was made. Everything implies a little level of trust, or else the world won't work. This leads me to believe that the only reason why some few people ask for the source code of an application is just for curiosity, and maybe want to steal a little bit of it too.

I dont own a car.

[notbob]

wow this thread sure got us a lot of new members

i wonder how many are the same guy

[Krell]

Originally posted by notbob
wow this thread sure got us a lot of new members

i wonder how many are the same guy

Yah, isnt it like that in every client thread? Either the same guy or his buddies. Ironically they all say the same things, they all use the same terminologies, or all speak broken english. What a coincidence.

[Robert Ray]

Originally posted by Krell
Well when you come storming in like Robert Ray in this thread, kid gloves are off. Irrespective of that, if the flaming continues this thread will be closed, and if I dont do it, someone else will.
If disagreeing with someone == "storming in" then I guess I did. That's nice how you're nice to people who don't storm in but I don't care. Daelie told us some problems he had. I told him why he shouldn't care about those problems. Grab responded to me by telling me he didn't care about the solutions I said and giving me some other problems, which I admitedly didn't read. I said it doesn't matter if he cares about the solutions specified because I was directing it towards Daelie's problem and not the ones he decided to interject. And a bunch of people misunderstood and/or decided to patronize me on free speech, which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.
At this point, this has nothing to do with Shareaza and I'm suprised the thread isn't closed already- I know wouldn't care. The argument was genuinely over, at least on my part, until some other people decided to give their incorrect input. I respect their right to do so, so I responded to them. And I continue to be civil even as I'm insulted by one person and watching another person hype those insults up. Harsh indeed.

And yeah, all the new people in the thread, including me, are the same person. We all have the same dissenting opinion so we must be. You figured out the mystery.

[stealthspy]

Originally posted by notbob

i wonder how many are the same guy
Unless there is one user making a lot of users on the shareaza forum, I don't think there are any dupe accounts...

[Krell]

Originally posted by stealthspy
Unless there is one user making a lot of users on the shareaza forum, I don't think there are any dupe accounts...

Yah that would never happen in another forum now would it?

[aqlo]

Also a lot of the folks here at zp don't use it because of These Threads and their inevitable crash-and-burn

*vote to close*

[TipYourBartender]

Originally posted by dague12
So, have you "scrutinized" line by line the code of your car's computer? You should make sure it is not bad, at least it could cause more problem than just a file sharing app. Or did you check that all the connections that the manufacturer did to make your motherboard were right? You might also drink a Coke, but you don't know how it was made. Everything implies a little level of trust, or else the world won't work. This leads me to believe that the only reason why some few people ask for the source code of an application is just for curiosity, and maybe want to steal a little bit of it too.

I trust people who make cars and their computers.
I don't trust Mike.
Period. End of story.

[Dividend]

Holy shit has this thread gone off topic. I like Shareaza and believe it is for the most part a good program, but love it or hate it, this thread is worthless for the last 5 pages. Most of which needed saying has already been said, along with so much that didn't need saying.

I nominate this thread for closure due to irrelevency and flaming from which is it unlikely to recover.


P.S. Robert Ray: you picked the wrong stuff to argue about and lost. Suck it up and stop grasping for straws.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by Dividend
Robert Ray: you picked the wrong stuff to argue about and lost. Suck it up and stop grasping for straws.

good call

[Robert Ray]

Originally posted by Dividend
I nominate this thread for closure due to irrelevency and flaming from which is it unlikely to recover.
Me too..

P.S. Robert Ray: you picked the wrong stuff to argue about and lost. Suck it up and stop grasping for straws.
Simple because you agree with him doesn't mean I lost or I'm grasping for straws. I have plenty of people who've told me they agree with me but had the sense to stay out of this tired thread. I have plenty of people who've told me they disagree with me but had the sense to stay out of this tired thread. Maybe you should have followed their suit instead of attacking my argument and then telling me to stop defending myself. Pointless.

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock
good call
Naturally. He agreed with you.

[Krell]

I am leaving you with your bout of DeJa Vu, and closing this long since non-productive thread.

You're not making any friends here fast, if you cant get along, perhaps this is not the site for you to frequent.