ShareNET 1.0 BETA release!

[Phirencore]

Greetings all,

As the CEO of the Extadi corporation, it's my job to make sure everybody is aware of the new Gnutella client breaking through! ShareNET has some serious, cutting edge additions to the protocol. We believe that the client is going to reshape the way people look at P2P -- for the better!

I'll keep you up to date on the release date, the site has been completed for some time, and you are all welcome to head on over & check it out. BETA release is scheduled for the 20th of June. Just keep an eye out for it - I promise, you won't be dissapointed. We dont have spyware or adware bundled.

If you have any questions about the client, or would like to talk, feel free to reply to this thread, email me, add me on ICQ, or whatever you wish. We will be requiring support staff over the next few months.



Cheers! :)

Regards,

David Swayn,
CEO,
ShareNET Networks - A division of the Extadi Corporation.
http://www.ShareP2P.net

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Hmm.. very interesting

Can you tell us what makes this program so special?

What "cutting edge" technology can it bring and why is it on gnutella?

[Phirencore]

The ALPHA wasn't for public release, the beta will be fully released to the public with submits for bugreports.

Our programmers have made a few interesting additions to the gnutella protocol, they can be viewed.. err.. I'll have to ask & get back to you.

I'm pacing the forums right now promoting the client anyway, you know how it is!

Thanks for the reply,

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Grr...I hate release dates

[Sephiroth]

Welcome and good luck with the release.

Once it is released you would have to submit program email by clicking the contact us link at the bottom of the page to get it listed on the program list. You can also submit new releases with the submit news and they should get posted as well.

If you dont know about the GDF already here is the link to it:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_gdf/

Its were alot of the gnutella developers discuss/propose changes and other things about gnutella and the file section also has alot of information which should be of help.

[Phirencore]

Thanks for the help & info Seph I appreciate it, sorry Evil! I'll keep you all posted on progress, and i'll get some screenshots up so you can gasp at the asthetically pleasing GUI... well, that's what I think anyway.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Originally posted by Phirencore
Thanks for the help & info Seph I appreciate it, sorry Evil! I'll keep you all posted on progress, and i'll get some screenshots up so you can gasp at the asthetically pleasing GUI... well, that's what I think anyway.

Heh.. Screenshots would be welcome

Any program that promises a good GUI is nice :fire

[Crazy Horse]

"Welcome to the official site of the popular P2P client, ShareNET. You’ve just entered the ultimate in P2P file sharing. We’ve managed to develop a file-sharing client that integrates functionality, usability and efficiency into one neat package.

Why should I choose ShareNET over the other clients?

ShareNET does NOT install spyware components! We value your privacy, and refuse to affiliate with information stealing agencies like many other P2P clients do.
ShareNET has the ability to automatically resume your downloads, find more sources (automatic speed up!), and so much more.
ShareNET is neat, stylish and keeps out of your way. We have innovative search capabilities that bring the best out of the Gnutella network.
Our wizards make ShareNET easy to set up, so you don’t have to worry about the technical side of things, you can just breeze into downloading the songs you’ve been waiting for, the movies you’ve longed for, and the content you need."


So far ...There's nothing here that excites me or puts this in the "ULTIMATE" p2p class.

Throw me a bone. We have had a lot of people come here and hype their vaporware or "ultimate program". You are going to find that alot of us are sceptical as we have heard this tune before.
A gnutella client breakthrough ?!!???! Sounds like an oxymoron but we are listening.... sorry to play devils advocate here but someone else here would probably have been alot more ...errr...direct.

[Phirencore]

There's always someone that has to throw a negative comment over a good thread, isn't there.

You will get your bone, although you'll have to wait..
If anybody has any suggestions as to what they'd like to see in a P2P client, we are willing to listen & if it's possbile, include the suggestion with acknowledgement.

From the alpha testing I've done, I've found ShareNET to be the easiest, most stylish and sophisticated P2P client I've come across. Perhaps I'm slightly biased, but I do believe it's something to look twice at!

If you have more comments that aren't "Devils Advocate" style, I'd be more than happy to reply to them!

[phalkon30]

First off, welcome to ZP. Now I've got a few suggestions if you would like to keep a good name for your program here, we've had bad experiences in the past with new programs, and I'd hate to see another name get trashed

A question about your client, ShareNET, I'm guessing you need .net? that would really be a downside

A word of caution, words like ultimate, when in reffernece to P2P file sharing apps, should be used carefully, overhype will not get you more people using your program, and will usually induce flames (its sad it has to be this way, but that is how it has played out in the past)

Try to keep the number of threads about your product to a minimum, especially the hype threads (I'm not flaming you, I'm just warning you, if the number of threads gets too large, problems tend to occur), I'd recommend updating us on your product through THIS thread, or when you have a major development release, post it as news

Release date, this is possibly the most important one, make sure you MAKE YOUR DATE!! Many programs have been thrown to shame instantly when they did not come out on their predicted release date (if anything, make it a day early if possible)

I know there is something else I was going to recommend to you...oh well, GL with your program. Keep in mind Gnutella is a crowded market, with many clients, and even a few good ones, so make sure you have something that is in some way an advantage over other clients (and an appealing advantage)

[phalkon30]

I didn't see that last post

Please understand something, we would LOVE to believe in your program just by your word, but we have had far too many programs, with similar selling points, that turned out to be either crap, or nonexistant

Crazy horse has tested many new programs, and knows what hes talking about/what to look for

Also, if you take offense to every post, especially some small comment such as the one he made, you will end up popping a vein here, or really getting a bad rep, there are some that will jump at this chance to try and drown you

[ferrarimodena360]

well Mr CEO u cant blame em for negative comments,,,,,coz there is not a single feature meantioned on ur site that makes ur program unique, all p2p applications provide these features,

yea screenshot may help

[MoonMan]

No offense man, but if it's on Gnutella there is nothing ground breaking around it. If this is a test project or you want to help the Gnutella network, then don't hype it up. At least when Xolox hyped up their program, they had SOMETHING to show. If it's still in Alpha, you should have waited.

I have nothing against Gnutella clients unless they decide to act like they are the next best thing, and that's when I get annoyed. Why ? Because any way you slice it, Gnutella is crap. Use Bearshare, Shareaza, etc, it's all the same crap. One just looks better than the other.

[Crazy Horse]

Originally posted by Phirencore
There's always someone that has to throw a negative comment over a good thread, isn't there.

You will get your bone, although you'll have to wait..

If you have more comments that aren't "Devils Advocate" style, I'd be more than happy to reply to them!

A good thread?!?!?! Listen buddy - you are going to get alot more flak than this if you come in here touting a new program with no proof. As I, and many others will tell you-we have heard this all before. IE Swapciety, RapidRoad and the list goes on.
Excuse ALL of us for our skeptisim.

A suggestion - learn how to take constructive criticism and come back when you have something. We will still be here-anxiously awaiting the "ultimate" p2p program. Gnutella no less.

BTW - Welcome to ZP

[Phirencore]

Greetings all.

It would seem we must solve some differences here.

A) ShareNET is *not* ready for public release. This post was designed to let people know that it's up & coming, and I would like people to look at it when it's ready, tell me what they think, give suggestions NOW, so they can be included in a program with true potential.

B) If a P2P client is developed that includes everyones RGI's, it could mean a better downloading life for all involved.

In RE to phalkon,
Thanks for the advice, the insight & info - i appreciate it! - I'm trying to avoid flames & rants as much as possible.

I understand that you all have your doubts, I have seen clients promised, and failed. However, those clients aren't put together by people with years in the IT business field, with resources to the moon at their fingertips. Due to my previous job, which I resigned from to work on other projects, I have managed to pull in some big-name contracts to help with design, hosting, data storage, advertising, etc.

C) As someone with experience & time behind me, I do not waste my time. Any posts from me in the future on this thread, will be about updates, and most likely some screenshots for you all to take a look at.

I thank you all for your apparent burst of interest, it's been most interesting! I promise to keep you all up to date.

My option of contacting me via ICQ, Email, or forums is still wide open - I'd love to hear suggestions instead of negativity however. That's the WHOLE purpose of this thread!

In RE to ferrarimodena360,
I've had this title many times in the past, and I guess I'm just used to it. You may not be, so here's some help -
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=CEO
I'm sure you'll find that link very useful, both for your definitions and your vocabulary.

Crazy Horse,
Thanks for the welcome, however unfriendly. Please see above, "wasting my time" :)

Be patient kids!

[Crazy Horse]

Let me try this again...

My welcome is sincere.

I don't know how long you have been checking out ZP but just recently we had quite a stir with a program called EarthStation5. The "promoters" there said basically the same thing you are about lots of experienced programmers and lots of money into servers and development and what not. The promises were huge to say the least. The program has not lived up to the hype.
There were numerous threads made up and it got to be quite a pain.
Anyways - I really wish you guys well and hope you guys come through.

[ferrarimodena360]

In RE to ferrarimodena360,
I've had this title many times in the past, and I guess I'm just used to it. You may not be, so here's some help -
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=CEO
I'm sure you'll find that link very useful, both for your definitions and your vocabulary.

lol, ill give ya a suggestion, GET OFF GNUTELLA, u mite still have a job........what a chimp

just so u know, i am doing masters in business......

[Mel_Smiley]

First and formost welcome back Phalcon30
Secondly, welcome Pherincore
Thirdly, CH questions are valid
Forthly, why oh why Gnutella?

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by Mel_Smiley
First and formost welcome back Phalcon30
Secondly, welcome Pherincore
Thirdly, CH questions are valid
Forthly, why oh why Gnutella?

Because even a beginner with just a slight modicum of programming ability, can write a Gnutella client Using Gnuc DNA.

All the hardwork has already been done by someone else.

Gnutella is Gnutella is Gnutella. No matter what you do, it is still going to be crap, even if revolutionary ideas are implemented, Gnutella will still hold you back.

But, the whole point of using Gnutella is, after all, EASY.

[Phirencore]

From what I've seen, you guys seem to think all gnutella clients are text based! In my experience, people judge clients by how easy it is to use, how effective it is, and how pretty it looks.

Why Gnutella? legal reasons really. Plus the growing base of Gnutella users, it's always helpful when there's plenty of nodes to interact with.

People who steal code, or rip from open source never suceed, because they don't truly understand what they're doing.

Thanks for the post Crazy Horse,

Good luck with your masters ferrarimodena360! I hope it gains you some success. It does help to be in the right place at the right time however, so always take the initiative, and never turn something down because of risks. (I'm not lecturing you, just giving some very true advice!)

[Matt]

I've been around a while and i can tell you from experience you're doomed already. DO NOT HYPE ANYTHING!!! Wow bud, i feel bad for saying that stuff but it's true. And plus, it's gnutella...unless you're adding to the protocal it will alwasy be gnutella. Sorry. -Matt

[crackerjacker]

Our programmers have made a few interesting additions to the gnutella protocol, they can be viewed.. err.. I'll have to ask & get back to you.

I'm pacing the forums right now promoting the client anyway, you know how it is!
no i dont know how it is?
wanna fill me in.you are a ceo of this company i can gather. *yet you know very little about the program*.
hmm i can see right through u, your cutting edge technology would be something new that has not been invented yet.

hmm i read your posts i find it highly amusing.
well have a nice day and please let me know how it is.
rtws
*yeah * i dont care what u think of me or what i say but this is funny.
regards the ceo from
not alotta done today
how about some whip ass ?
nuff said
this is another hoax or even if its legitimiate i can assure you you have not discovered or invented something of top quality as you are giving it away for free.
btw where are those screenshots.
*plays along*
btw back to bed for me
thanks for the amusement man i sure have read some funny stuff but your wording and the way you describe stuff sounds kinda familiar.

once again notta lotta for me
woot *haha*

[gldblade]

From what I've seen, you guys seem to think all gnutella clients are text based! In my experience, people judge clients by how easy it is to use, how effective it is, and how pretty it looks. GUI isn't everything, it has to operate on a good, functional P2P network. Gnutella has proven itself to be...archaic in many respects.

And in terms of GUI, you're already screwed. Shareaza blows everything out of the water in terms of ease, functionality and good looks. Can your GUI be skinned, for example? I doubt it considering this is just the first release.


Why Gnutella? legal reasons really. Plus the growing base of Gnutella users, it's always helpful when there's plenty of nodes to interact with. Why not Gnutella2 then? It's perfectly legal, and it runs fairly well.

And everyone's points so far have been valid. You've offered absolutely nothing new. Oh wow, resume! <Sarcasm>I mean, only every single decent P2P client offers resume</Sarcasm>

Lesson: Don't ever hype. You gain nothing from it.

[Phirencore]

If you worked in the Australian legal system, you would definately be fired by now.

Unsubstantiated rants are one thing, but blatant flaming is completely pointless. If you don't have any constructive criticism, please post on another thread. I'm not interested in your half-assed flaming & rants.

The GEBMS proposal put forward by our key developer is an example of an addition ShareNET has made to the protocol, and this is just a small sample of what is to be released to the public. If you know what you're doing, I welcome you to have a read.

http://www.sharep2p.net/developer/gebms100.htm

These are some screenshots of ShareNET as it stands now - there is still 2 weeks of GUI work to be done, and 2 solid weeks of coding.

http://www.sharep2p.net/ss/alpha/site01.gif
http://www.sharep2p.net/ss/alpha/site02.gif
http://www.sharep2p.net/ss/alpha/site03.gif

We are planning to detach ourselves from the Gnutella protocol once the client becomes popular. The reason for using Gnutella originally, is because nobody would touch a 3 peer network - I think we can all agree on that one!
This will allow us to expand without having to worry about the limitations of other clients on the network.


Please, crackerjacker, use english.
I can't understand your cryptic, simplistic and unjustified rants for the life of me!
I intended this thread to be for people to get to know the people at ShareNET, and to understand the client, and perhaps to make additions to it. Everything you've said has been said before, to countless software manufacturers. At the end of the day, we all know who'll be buying your cup of coffee...

I'm sure, that for a first release, ShareNET is doing a lot better than most other clients. If it is in your opinion that ShareNET isn't up to your perfectionist standards before you've even had a chance to try it - you are truly a very ignorant person.

Shareaza- no offence to the developers, is bloated, overdramatized and very disorganized.

[gldblade]

Your link to GEBMS produces HTTP 404 Not Found. *EDIT* It's up.

The reason people are flaming you is because you hyped your product. When you hype, you offer no proof, and without any proof, people jump to conclusions. It's happened before where people hyped their "product," which turned out to be nonexistent.

Once again, lesson: Don't hype.

If I told you I could fly, you'd be skeptical, no?

[ferrarimodena360]

just saw the UI, and i am not saying anything please have alook for urself.

gawd!! its gnutella, how do i get over it.

thread closed for me.

[Phirencore]

Apologies for my hype without proof. I've now provided proof, and I expect to see less flaming and more ideas and general discussion flying.
As you can all see, however, GEBMS is an innovative addition, which can benefit all who use the protocol, not just ShareNET users.

do you have any comments or suggestions about GEBMS?

[gldblade]

Just imagine the bandwidth when 200 replies are received Hmm...200 replies at once I would call a DDoS attack, especially when considering a 56k modem. I have no direct experience with the internal workings of Gnutella, but I doubt anyone will ever receive 200 replies all at once.

No more time to keep reading, must sleep now. Maybe more later.

[Phirencore]

I somehow think you missed the whole point of the proposal :)
look between <title> </title>

Anyhow. I've been defending myself all day, I think it's about time to get some rest. I will post more of ShareNET's proposals once they're integrated into the client (GEBMS is NOT just a proposal, it's in use), screenshots as the GUI grows, and news as it comes.

Thank you all for your interest!

[MusikBeatz23]

I just saw a "Shop!" icon... I don't like the looks of that icon...

[Phirencore]

Yeah, we're preffering banners & a shop area over turning ourselves into the spyware market, I've always hated it, and will never sign one of their evil contracts.

[triniti]

Gnutella Extended Binary Meta Data Searches???

ok, cool but how in the world is this new meta searching going to make anything better, how about some udp discovery and udp queries and rework the entire routing algorithm. Are you telling me that Limewire is going to dump their meta searches along with all of the otehr players to go with GEBMDS? I doubt it! Anyway I don't think gaining 42% back in bytes from a queryhit will change much considering that 85% of all Gnutella traffic contains NO Meta Searches anyway. But good luck anyway and if does not have GUESS and localnet broadcasts then it will just plain suck anyway. I leave you with a GDF quote on basically what you are trying to do and it looks like GEBMDS will only be supported by you!



WAP is dead from its attempt to compress XML with a binary format: it could not be extended easily, and in fact its deployment cost was too expensive. On the opposite, the licenced "i-Mode" protocol (trademark of NTT) offers much better evolutivity and similar performance by using a XML-based definition and data compression on the low level, and its success will deprecate WAP completely...

[Phirencore]

Yet another relatively unfounded rant with few good points.
Nobody said Limewire had to incorporate these, it definately would be to their advantage to do so, but it is completely the software developers choice. ShareNET of course will be including all of its own proposals, and i'm sure the efficiency between SN nodes will be increased by a "considerable margin"

42%, if you have ever been in the software development industry, is a very large margin.

I'm only replying to people with valid comments or questions as of 6:00PM GMT+10.

Thanks for the insight -- i'm allready aware of everything you've said. The other proposal put forward by the key engineer was in fact udp messaging :P

It's no great loss to us if other clients don't follow the lead, it just proves that the gnutella development community doesn't like change!

I wish you the best of luck in whatever project you are pursueing.

[triniti]

Originally posted by Phirencore
Yet another relatively unfounded rant with few good points.
Nobody said Limewire had to incorporate these, it definately would be to their advantage to do so, but it is completely the software developers choice. ShareNET of course will be including all of its own proposals, and i'm sure the efficiency between SN nodes will be increased by a "considerable margin"

42%, if you have ever been in the software development industry, is a very large margin.

I'm only replying to people with valid comments or questions as of 6:00PM GMT+10.

42% is good if you have 5,000,000+ users, gnutella only has like 150,000+ and more than 90% of those are beyond your horizon, so your 42% would be your 1000 users minus your unreachable nodes(unless you are pooling) because of this horizon because no one else is going to implement this, so the 42% is not even really worth discussing. Also note that the GDF has not responded to you in like 11 days now, so it looks like your proposal sank. Someone correct me if I am wrong here. Now if GEBMDS is all you have new to offer then I sah :blah I won't use it.

[Phirencore]

You are almost correct, but without point or grounding.

A) Protocol additions used by SN clients who connect primarily to SN nodes means SN clients use protocol additions more often than not.

B) So what if a bearshare client doesn't save a few packets? It's the SN users we're concerned about. However in the spirit of open source & community, protocol additions have been _suggested_ and made available for people to look at.

C) It is now in my experience, that forum users have little knowledge, founding or grounding for their posts! You are the only person that has actually _properly_ analysed GEBMS, SN, and produced me with real issues, and real suggestions. I congratulate & salute you!

[triniti]

Originally posted by Phirencore
You are almost correct, but without point or grounding.

A) Protocol additions used by SN clients who connect primarily to SN nodes means SN clients use protocol additions more often than not.

B) So what if a bearshare client doesn't save a few packets? It's the SN users we're concerned about. However in the spirit of open source & community, protocol additions have been _suggested_ and made available for people to look at.

C) It is now in my experience, that forum users have little knowledge, founding or grounding for their posts! You are the only person that has actually _properly_ analysed GEBMS, SN, and produced me with real issues, and real suggestions. I congratulate & salute you!

I would honestly consider changing your handshake, not using the tag "Gnutella" and then releasing a client pooled via private caches, then in the future you could make core changes and have a kick ass network, look at ARES, they used to be Gnutella but are now their own and work similar to kazaa and they are a great client.

[Psilaxs]

You tell to use constructive criticism because you have provided proof.

You haven't provided ANYTHING. A few pictures, which show your client connecting to Morpheus (Snicker) Bearshare, and what else Limewire? Were floored, we really are.

One thing you must understand is, if your going to try to get little digs in on us at Zeropaid be prepared.

And I agree with Triniti, GEBMS is not going to gain you anything.

1: You the only one using it,
2: your connecting to TONS of other clients (So, the advantage will only be within your client) and since Gnutella clients are so interdependent on each other, i see this as pointless.
Yeah, it *may* reduce network querying traffic for those who use it.

But it is worthless if other clients will not use it as well.
Since you will be (for now) the only ones using it, you will have to send standard Gnutella queries, plus GEBMS (since i am assuming GEBMS is not backwardly compatible with the standard Gnutella querying protocol) You will be adding MORE traffic to Gnutella, just what it needs.

Take a look around, i mean this as politely as i can, but have you ever seen a "Break away" Gnutella client? No you haven't, and there is a reason for that.

The only networks that manage to gain large headway and a healthy user base are those that are NOT based on Gnutella protocol. WinMX. Fasttrack. Piolet (it may be based somewhat on Gnutella but it is a closed network) Bit Torrent, G2.
And the Gnutella based clients that have managed to succeed, are ones running closed networks such as Overnet E-Donkey ETC.

You wont like to hear this, but your network is going nowhere fast, im being honest, my intention is not to be mean spirited,
but to let you know, you not going anywhere.

Fire your programmers, and get ones who can write a new network, the last thing the P2P community needs is another damned Gnutella client.

BEST regards.

[Phirencore]

Allready done. Read up a little, we're hoping to branch off as soon as we have a large enough client base, that way we can just butcher the protocol &.. well, make it work.

Problem with changing your handshake, is you get less supernodes to start off with - an amusing experiment we tried, change the handshake to another, larger client based on gnutella... the results are tenfold.

Can't blame them really, we'll do the same thing eventually.

Psilaxs: It's all been said before. I just answered your rants above, learn about "priority connections". Fasttrack's results, as compared to a gnutella search are appalling!

A very basic, but very easy example.
.Search > linkin park @fasttrack > 509 results
.Search > linkin park @gnutella > 1205 results

Less clients, more results? doesn't compute? go figure.

"Branching off" doesn't mean as soon as we get 500 users we split & run. It simply means slowly, over an acceptable period of time working on the protocol & forcing SN clients to talk to SN clients moreoften than not.

It's pretty simple, thanks for the rant anyhow.

P.S: I'd hate to say this, but since I've come under so much fire... This whole "ZeroPaid" mentality, it's exactly what the name suggests. Get a job, start a project of your own, I'd love to see you suceed so you can stop posting meaningless dribble.

For once, I'd love to see a forum with less flame & more insight.

[Psilaxs]

It is pretty simple that (REAL) Gnutella developers do not like their networks being abused and used as stepping stones.

Look at the hostility towards Mike and Shareaza, your not going to gain any fans that way.


As far as getting a job, I would suggest the same to you.

Big Deal, you give yourself the Title of CEO, well, I can do the same thing in under a day, download Gnuc DNA, start a "revolutionary" P2P program, and then dismiss legitimate concerns from the community because i am Mr. "CEO" who knows better.

You need to stop taking yourself so damned seriously.

If you ARE that interested in making money, you need to LISTEN to what people of the filesharing community are saying.

No true CEO would be this closed minded about something, and after all of the things we have brought forth to the table, you still refuse to see ANY of it.

I know it is hard having your dreams trampled on by un employed losers over the internet, but if this is what we are

1: Why have you come here seeking our approval?

2: How do you expect to make money of of unemployed losers such as us?

And you say you want insight, we gave you that, it is just you didn't like it.

You came here wanting to be coddled and patted on the back, god forbid we look at things objectively.

And since we didn't give you what you wanted, you take a defensive stance towards the same people you are asking for opinions/approval


And as far as the whole search results go, here you are.

I could have found as Many results as there are USERS on Gnutella.

[Mel_Smiley]

Please give ZP a chance David, I know its hard, this is a public forum. There is a lot of subjectivism at ZP caused from past projects that have never came to pass or never even existed at all. You represent yourself and your product well. Best of luck to you

[triniti]

Originally posted by Phirencore
Allready done. Read up a little, we're hoping to branch off as soon as we have a large enough client base, that way we can just butcher the protocol &.. well, make it work.

Problem with changing your handshake, is you get less supernodes to start off with - an amusing experiment we tried, change the handshake to another, larger client based on gnutella... the results are tenfold.

Can't blame them really, we'll do the same thing eventually.

Psilaxs: It's all been said before. I just answered your rants above, learn about "priority connections". Fasttrack's results, as compared to a gnutella search are appalling!

A very basic, but very easy example.
.Search > linkin park @fasttrack > 509 results
.Search > linkin park @gnutella > 1205 results

Less clients, more results? doesn't compute? go figure.

"Branching off" doesn't mean as soon as we get 500 users we split & run. It simply means slowly, over an acceptable period of time working on the protocol & forcing SN clients to talk to SN clients moreoften than not.

It's pretty simple, thanks for the rant anyhow.

P.S: I'd hate to say this, but since I've come under so much fire... This whole "ZeroPaid" mentality, it's exactly what the name suggests. Get a job, start a project of your own, I'd love to see you suceed so you can stop posting meaningless dribble.

For once, I'd love to see a forum with less flame & more insight.

I hate to say this, but you started this all by coming here and not reading the rules and just advertising, do your research before you go into a new society, I would not move to columbia without a knowledge of the surroundings.... Makes sense! Now that this is hopefully clear, you can be a contributor to ZP, but please browse around and read and get a feel of our community, anyone coming here for the first time and saying "New Gnutella Client" or something of the sort with no download, screenshots or specs is doomed to be flamed. p.s. what are you coding in? Looks like delphi or vb. :upside

[triniti]

A very basic, but very easy example.
.Search > linkin park @fasttrack > 509 results
.Search > linkin park @gnutella > 1205 results

yea, right! See my image.

[Krell]

Stop with the pissing contest.


Either this person will deliver, or they wont. This will not turn in to another ESV for us.

[Phirencore]

I'm going to address all the critics, in a few simple paragraphs.

I don't want your money. You obviously don't have any. I dont want your approval, and I don't want your criticism. I want OBJECTIVE, CONTSTRUCTIVE, RELEVANT AND USEFUL suggestions to be added to a P2P client.

I apologise PROFOUNDLY for being known as the CEO of a company. However, my 4 years of previous experience in being either the President, CEO, or Technical Director of IT companies has given me the _sheer right_ to bignote myself. When you have similar experience, you may have the right to flame.

Mel: From what I have seen, this is not a community. This is a pack of caffiene crazed undergraduates, hell-bent on flaming at first sight. I will maintain an active link to ZP, however, in the future, I will not actively support it.

I was hoping to find a community of people in which I could share my ideas, protocol additions, and program additions, and gain some real insight into the gnutella community - instead of launching myself in as the "BIG CEO"- thanks for that lame remark. You've really proved your intelligence.

(Note my friendly introduction, inviting people to talk to me & give me their suggestions)

For all of you that have flamed, please show me YOUR accomplishments, and please, make sure it outclasses mine, otherwise you will definately be made to look quite the fool.

Have some thought & appreciation for a companies efforts to break into a market, community & idea. Flaming is for pathetic individuals, constructive addition to a conversation is for intelligent minds.

[crackerjacker]

Please, crackerjacker, use english.
I can't understand your cryptic, simplistic and unjustified rants for the life of me!
I intended this thread to be for people to get to know the people at ShareNET, and to understand the client, and perhaps to make additions to it. Everything you've said has been said before, to countless software manufacturers. At the end of the day, we all know who'll be buying your cup of coffee...

I'm sure, that for a first release, ShareNET is doing a lot better than most other clients. If it is in your opinion that ShareNET isn't up to your perfectionist standards before you've even had a chance to try it - you are truly a very ignorant person.

Shareaza- no offence to the developers, is bloated, overdramatized and very disorganized.


haha no your a ignorant person. besides if i am correct i dont need to justify myself. justification isnt valid when someone makes an opinion. If i had made a theory then of course i would need to back up my theory with proof. The only proof you shown here is words and some pictures. But you see your new so called *invention* isnt new.
So to bad if you dont like my opinion. Just because you have an idea doesnt give you the right to call someone ignorant.
I think your the ignorant one for expecting someone to accept your invention. I will give you one thing though you do deserve respect for your opinion. But I am doubtful of your so called world class p2p program and I will make my opinion known. If you dont like it to bad.

Is this less cryptic for you?
best regards *crackerjacker*
yeah i am awesome and i still think you suck.
but o well thats just the way i feel.
you can express yourself freely in here but to me its just words. you know why because your beautiful invention has been done before.
so in other words hype it if you want. heres the floor
rtws= peace
nuff said
*keeps the flames to a mininum now* to see where you going to take this.
woot



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[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by Phirencore
I'm going to address all the critics, in a few simple paragraphs.

I don't want your money. You obviously don't have any. I dont want your approval, and I don't want your criticism. I want OBJECTIVE, CONTSTRUCTIVE, RELEVANT AND USEFUL suggestions to be added to a P2P client.

I apologise PROFOUNDLY for being known as the CEO of a company. However, my 4 years of previous experience in being either the President, CEO, or Technical Director of IT companies has given me the _sheer right_ to bignote myself. When you have similar experience, you may have the right to flame.

Mel: From what I have seen, this is not a community. This is a pack of caffiene crazed undergraduates, hell-bent on flaming at first sight. I will maintain an active link to ZP, however, in the future, I will not actively support it.

I was hoping to find a community of people in which I could share my ideas, protocol additions, and program additions, and gain some real insight into the gnutella community - instead of launching myself in as the "BIG CEO"- thanks for that lame remark. You've really proved your intelligence.

(Note my friendly introduction, inviting people to talk to me & give me their suggestions)

For all of you that have flamed, please show me YOUR accomplishments, and please, make sure it outclasses mine, otherwise you will definately be made to look quite the fool.

Have some thought & appreciation for a companies efforts to break into a market, community & idea. Flaming is for pathetic individuals, constructive addition to a conversation is for intelligent minds.

You're a raving ego maniac you know that?
With a serious complex surrounding other peoples financial matters.

What this boils down to is, you simply WILL NOT accept any input that you disagree with. it is simple as that.

Maybe you have been the "boss" for too long as you seem to throw a fit and throw insults like a 10 year old when you do not get your own way/people disagree with you.

And you COMPLETELY took what i posted out of context.
It was more directed at your team then anything else.

Just because you are in IT doesn't mean you have full understanding of Gnutella, or that people will even like the idea of another Gnutella client.

But telling people to get jobs, accomplish something "make sure you succeed more then ME" (ME ME ME ME ME ME ME)
And only then will you here what someone has to say, after you have come to the conclusion they do not match you in career status is appalling.

Nothing like trying to show your intellectual superiority on a BBS which is mostly inhabited by teenagers.

And you have shown your intelligence by getting little digs in at triniti when she obviously knows FAR more about programming and networking then yourself, or anyone else here.

If anything you should hire her.

You got your feelings hurt, people were not as receptive as you would have hoped and now you cannot take the fact we think it is an idea that will not work out well, and given you PLENTY to think about.

But continue with the name calling with anyone that disagrees with you, you must be an ABSOLUTE BITCH to work for.

[crackerjacker]

matter of fact after reading some more of your rubbish i find this more entertaining then ever now.
after the client becomes popular your going to remove it from gnutella.
that statement alone stipulates that your wonderful p2p program is centralized or something or that your going to take total control of this p2p program to its full effect.
i would not trust you now or ever because of that one statement.
gnutella is not the most popular network as it is now and your going to remove gnutella from this p2p program once its popular that is the most absurd thing i ever heard.
either you stick with a public network *gnutella* or make your own network. either way you are rubbish and you deserve to be flamed just because of that statement.
half your statements and wording make no sense at all. sure you talk a good talk but thats all that it is. i seen it before.
btw i can assure you that if i was everyone on this thread they should not take you serious.
so you can keep your p2p program for yourself its useless now. I do hope you realize that once you put a p2p program on a network and you think you can expect people to leave a public network after its popular your mistaken. you cant just give freely of something then take it away. thats not how it works.

best regards
cj
nuff said.

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by crackerjacker
matter of fact after reading some more of your rubbish i find this more entertaining then ever now.
after the client becomes popular your going to remove it from gnutella.
that statement alone stipulates that your wonderful p2p program is centralized or something or that your going to take total control of this p2p program to its full effect.
i would not trust you now or ever because of that one statement.
gnutella is not the most popular network as it is now and your going to remove gnutella from this p2p program once its popular that is the most absurd thing i ever heard.
either you stick with a public network *gnutella* or make your own network. either way you are rubbish and you deserve to be flamed just because of that statement.
half your statements and wording make no sense at all. sure you talk a good talk but thats all that it is. i seen it before.
btw i can assure you that if i was everyone on this thread they should not take you serious.
so you can keep your p2p program for yourself its useless now.
once you put a p2p program on a network then you think you can expect people to leave a public network after its popular.

best regards
cj
nuff said.

LOL congrats on getting the thread closed, i was hoping to hear him respond to what i/we had to say, but that may not be anymore....


For the record, i do agree with you Crackjacker, But i just would have said things a bit *nicer* is all LOL

[crackerjacker]

um i dont think they will be closing this thread.
if they do it will miss the point as these are merely opinions.
so if they close this thread then it would suck.
i made my point etc.
however closing this thread would not be wise.
*cough* get my drift good.


rtws
heh this looks a bit like a gnucleus clone or something with a skin.
hmm whatever way you take this just remember dont make promises to someone you cant keep or take away something that might work.
i am not saying that your p2p isnt valid all i am saying is dont go changing one thing for another. thats a mistake lots of spammers do.
not that your a spammer.
so yeah if you do say its going to be on the guntella network keep it there. dont change it to another network as it might not be feasable or will only concur resentment and make you appear to be distrusted.

woot nuff said.

[ferrarimodena360]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
You're a raving ego maniac you know that?
With a serious complex surrounding other peoples financial matters.

What this boils down to is, you simply WILL NOT accept any input that you disagree with. it is simple as that.

Maybe you have been the "boss" for too long as you seem to throw a fit and throw insults like a 10 year old when you do not get your own way/people disagree with you.

And you COMPLETELY took what i posted out of context.
It was more directed at your team then anything else.

Just because you are in IT doesn't mean you have full understanding of Gnutella, or that people will even like the idea of another Gnutella client.

But telling people to get jobs, accomplish something "make sure you succeed more then ME" (ME ME ME ME ME ME ME)
And only then will you here what someone has to say, after you have come to the conclusion they do not match you in career status is appalling.

Nothing like trying to show your intellectual superiority on a BBS which is mostly inhabited by teenagers.

And you have shown your intelligence by getting little digs in at triniti when she obviously knows FAR more about programming and networking then yourself, or anyone else here.

If anything you should hire her.

You got your feelings hurt, people were not as receptive as you would have hoped and now you cannot take the fact we think it is an idea that will not work out well, and given you PLENTY to think about.

But continue with the name calling with anyone that disagrees with you, you must be an ABSOLUTE BITCH to work for.


DAMN THAT WAS PHAT!!!

lol all this while i had been working on my summer training report (amost phinished :D)

Phirencore (not calling u ceo, aight? so chill)
zp is full of people who are good at a lot of things,
random nut
dr damn
trinity
supa mod Krell...........lol ......don ban me
are just a few........
we might have got to a bad start, but,,well....... i dont kow bout others but i certainly will give SN a shot.

You gave me an advice, just try and remember this.....

Call it a clan, call it a network, call it a tribe, call it a family. Whatever you call it, whoever you are, you need one.
Jane Howard

So does ur client

[crackerjacker]

um why would you be ban for expressing yourself?
as long as your opinion is coherent or logical its fine.
i mean an opinion is merely an opinion.
I can assure you that being ban for expressing yourself will not happen. for anything if your going to be banned its for being a spammer.
*cough* a spammer
and just for the record
ferrarimodena360 you dont fit the catagorey for a spammer.
btw i spelled catagorey wrong. dam i forgot how to spell it.
but yeah they have no reason to ban u.
nuff said
i call it how i see it, and btw just cuz i call it how i see it doesnt make me right its just my opinion.
opinions only matters to the person that makes them, if someone doesnt agree with your opinion thats fine.
sometimes the best to do is express yourself anyhows and if no one likes it thats to bad. but yeah all in all i just think that people have the right to speak there mind. *even if it dont make sense* as long as u are sincere that is all that matters.
woot

[Phirencore]

You're merely pushing my point further and further forward.

You're still flaming, ranting & raving -- long into the early hours of the morning. Have you accomplished anything? really?

I did consider approaching Trin about work actually. I am not a heartless "power driven" CEO, I was a little guy once. Take it easy.

If you continue to rant & rave, I'll have to request that this gets closed down, it's wasting everybodys time - including mine!

Please read my RE: again if you need anything refined.

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by Phirencore
You're merely pushing my point further and further forward.

You're still flaming, ranting & raving -- long into the early hours of the morning. Have you accomplished anything? really?

I did consider approaching Trin about work actually. I am not a heartless "power driven" CEO, I was a little guy once. Take it easy.

If you continue to rant & rave, I'll have to request that this gets closed down, it's wasting everybodys time - including mine!

Please read my RE: again if you need anything refined.


This will most likely be my last post in this thread, as i am growing increasingly tired of proving how myopic you are.

And also tired of you misconstruing what i say, and the context thereof.

You come in here and insult ferrarimodena360, Crazy Horse,
CrackerJacker, Triniti, and others.

Insult peoples Finacial status, career status, etc.

We are merely trying to give you sound advice, but you wont have any of it.

Go ahead get the thread closed, truth hurts doesnt it?

And no i never ranted, just told you things you didn't want to hear.

As far as accomplishments go(You sure like bringing that up dont you?), you have gained nothing from your little Gnutella endeavor, nor will you, it is a "has been" and you're too late.

I was polite, I NEVER flamed or directed any hostility towards you in any matter at all until you started getting upset when things were not heading in the direction you erroneously foresaw, and started insulting people.

Maybe you do not see it, but your ego is so huge i am incredulous to the probability that it hasn't spilled over onto other people for assimilation.

And your wasting your own time, i just feel bad you haven't realized that yet, not that your wasting your time here, but your wasting your time with gnutella, sure it may be a moderate success, but not what your hoping for ;)

[crackerjacker]

You're merely pushing my point further and further forward.

You're still flaming, ranting & raving -- long into the early hours of the morning. Have you accomplished anything? really?

I did consider approaching Trin about work actually. I am not a heartless "power driven" CEO, I was a little guy once. Take it easy.

If you continue to rant & rave, I'll have to request that this gets closed down, it's wasting everybodys time - including mine!

Please read my RE: again if you need anything refined.

Man it never ceases to amaze me. I will make this very clear you cant request to have this thread closed. Just because you request it, it will not happen. They should close it only if you are being flamed. But from the looks of it your not being flamed people are just speaking there minds.
Btw this is hilarious you hold no water here so to even make a remark here *if you continue to rant and rave I'll have to request that this gets closed down*. and expect that it will be closed just because you say so or request it is very entertaining.
On top of that just because you might be new here and think that since your the ceo of some so called business that people should listen to you and take every word you say serious.
I would say one thing your persistent on your delusions of grandeur.
Your business model has been done before countless times by others.
If you want respect you have to earn it. But you seem to be contradictory on lots of stuff you say.
peace
You got me to laugh so a high five for you.
You cant demand that this thread be close because you cant accept critisim or opinions of others.
You approaching anyone on this thread and expecting them to work for you is even funnier. Your attitude stinks you are disrespectful and most importantly no one knows you. So in essence go and try to request that this thread be closed. Its not going to happen like that.
Besides this is entertainment at its highest point. I appreciate the humur. wow amazing.
nuff said
*got no more to say on this until i feel like saying more*. but wow
what a new enlightment and here people are saying that zeropaid is dull.
you prove them wrong..
3 woots for all
i gotta go now, got stuff to do. *this is my last comment to * unless of course i have to speak my mind again on this topic which i highly doubt.

:)

[crackerjacker]

you said *At the end of the day, we all know who'll be buying your cup of coffee... "

oh btw I am sorry i forgot to offer you a nice cup of stfu.
*have a nice day * not*

[ferrarimodena360]

Psilaxs, crackerjacker, guys forget it.......
go have a coke or some ice tea, chill.

[Phirencore]

It would seem my arrogant demeanor has got you guys all fired up.. all I can say is..
hah.. ahah.. ahah.. ahahahahah..

Chill guys - it isn't worth the words you write! I didn't mean to cause a big stir, but it seems some people just can't take new ideas, suggestions and the way other people deal with events, situations etc etc.

If I were a wise-guy, i'd say something like.
*slips a chill-pill into your coffee*- but, that would be childish now, wouldn't it.

This will be the last time I post to this thread. I might poke in on ZP from time to time to see how you all are though!

Feel free to contact me via E-Mail if you have anything constructive to say.

[ferrarimodena360]

It would seem my arrogant demeanor has got you guys all fired up.. all I can say is..

LOL

ur LAME
and yea lame aint an encoder..........

muwahwahahahaha

get lost!!

[WhitePony]

Dear Sir,

Just for the record, I´d like to say this to Mr. David Swayn : you may be good at IT, but you suck at marketing.

You came to ZP to, supposedly, get suggestions. However, it doesn´t seem like you have taken at least 1 minute to study and to get to know this community, which, believe me, is pretty much representative of the target for your "product".

As such, it is not a very good strategy to come in here with a patronising attitude as soon as someone makes a "not-positive" remark. Generalizations are not good either. I am 28 years old, have a wife, a house and 2 kids, and am in charge of a Statistics and Reporting department at the company I work for. I´ve made over 200 posts here and I think this is the 1st time I´ve ever mentioned this. So I almost feel insulted when you come in here gloating about accomplishments, putting down people and calling yourself "CEO of a division of a Corporation".

When a "Corporation" is launching a product, it makes some kind of market study, taking into account positive and negative (but well founded, of course) remarks. Disrespecting your audience is a very good way to lose it altogther. Zeropaid could´ve been a good spot for you to get a feel for the whole P2P community and do your "market study", yet you´ve shown an utter inabilty to deal with that same community.

This way, I don´t believe you´ll have many chances in succeeding. And I say "succeed" because you obviously are in this to accomplish some profit, and not just as a hobby, right?

Here´s a positive remark : I like your GUI. But will this get me FILES? A GUI is just a GUI...

I´m not trying to teach you anything.. Take my post as simple advice : most P2P users could care less about the technical aspects of the program they´re using. They want programs that make them feel confortable while using them, and that gets them files. And Gnutella is not a very good place to get files.

I consider myself as representative of a part of your audience : the employed, non-teenager part, who actually has some buying power. So I´d like to stop being patronised.

Best Regards,
Nuno Mendonça
Head of Statistics Department,
Elviassist, LDA.,
Portugal

[Sephiroth]

I think this thread has had enough flaming.

Personally unless its one of the programs which is ran by a bunch of high schoolers who are more worried about the web site and name instead of actually making a program then i reserve judgement when the program actually releases.

Which i dont think is the case here and IMHO some should be a little more patient and are entitled to a fair shot like everyone else.

And once again everyone is getting all worked up and defensive over ONE THREAD. Which isnt spam.

Plus the people bashing gnutella is again dissapointing and if you dont like gnutella or you want to push MP then post in those respective forums.

Also gdf discussions are best left on the GDF and up to the developers and not the users. It just leads to flaming and drags it out alot longer than it has to the majority of the time.

[CCSDUDE]

Hmm...looks like I missed out on the egomaniacal 'CEO' ravings...

I do have some points to make though....

1) Look at the screen shots...the search results are fucking copy/pastes off KAZAA results...the icons are ripped off from basic XP icon dll's and the whole thing looks like a photoshop scam job.. the site has a 'download' link that's just looped back on itself...it's a scam to generate hits...nothing more IMHO.

2) The Aussie bastard is to arrogant for his own good...and I somehow doubt he's ever really been in any position of power..oh well

That's all I wanted to add so either leave this thread alone or merge it with the closed one. I just couldn't help noticing the lame ass photoshop job on those screenshots....

[Anenga2]

I can't believe everyone is falling for this. One quick look at the UI should tell you all you need to know, it's nothing special. Even if they do improve Gnutella, why would you want to use ShareNET over Kazaa or K++? If you want to use a Gnutella (Or G2, eDonkey, BitTorrent) client, well you know what I'm going to say ;) And ShareNET doesn't seem to even come close.