Major new threat to P2P!

[at.morris]

Check this website out
http://www.pro-music.org/

I love the did you know bit:
"Using a peer-to-peer service can give anyone using the same service access to files on your computer "

You don't say! I hope not two many people read this - it could be the end of p2p!

[at.morris]

Did you know?

"The creative copyright industries in Europe, including music, accounts for between 3 and 5% of gross domestic product."


Doesn't that just show the excessive profits they make? That or we are all poorer than I thought!

[Wolfie]

Flashy new website , same old sorry message. I wonder how much the no name artists got paid thier testimonials?

[broadwayrock]

Mmmmmmmm intresting site.

I like the quote from the Russian lesbian band Tatu:

"Please don’t steal our music if you’re really smart guys."

mmmmm tempting


theres a another bit on the site:

"P2P software users, you do more than simply download files. You probably also make files on your hard drive available for copying by others. Not only does this make you a potential illegal distributor, it also means that whenever you're online, every other network user around the world (and there are tens of millions of them) has the ability to access your hard drive.

If you want to do the right thing - and, not incidentally, keep strangers out of your hard drive - you should disable your P2P software's uploading capability. Click HERE to see how to do that in KaZaA."

whatwhat what?? strangers in my hard drive?? quick! i must delete everything!

[Siskabush]

Di-rect

"Be a real fan, support us and other bands - pay for our music!"

Just more proof that its all about the money and not the music no more.
I guess Im not a real fan of shitty corporation music. awww.

[killswitch1968]

Originally posted by Siskabush
Di-rect

"Be a real fan, support us and other bands - pay for our music!"

Just more proof that its all about the money and not the music no more.


Well I certainly pay for the music I like. Whether you want to believe it or not, studios are outrageously expensive for the working-joe (the vast majority of artists). It's not always about money, sometimes it's just wanting to be able to afford production costs without a second job.

This website makes good points about some of the myths, but they're horribly skewed about others. Too bad THEY don't have a forum we could rant on. They denounce P2P for all the wrong reasons. And recruiting artists (both big and small at least) to advertise their cause by no means gives it creedance.

[deserttrader50]

Originally posted by Siskabush
Di-rect

"Be a real fan, support us and other bands - pay for our music!"

Just more proof that its all about the money and not the music no more.
I guess Im not a real fan of shitty corporation music. awww.

If you don't like the music, don't listen to it. If you like it, pay for it. Music is no less property than your computer. Stealing music is no different than snatching purses from little old ladies. I am so sick of you pissant little tewits who have never had to pay for anything in your lives and think it is just fine to steal from hard-working composers (whose own kids rely on them to pay for their computers ... and food). Wake up you little snots. The Internet was paid for by capitalist money. It never was intended to be a medium for peole to steal property with impunity. OK, you hate the music industry. Big deal. I hate the supermarket industry, but that doesn't give me the moral (or legal) right to take anything I want from the shelves for free. And what is wrong with composers and musicians making money from the music they compose and perform? Maybe all composers should have a day job waiting tables and give away all theur music because it is really not about the money. You children make me want to puke.

If you don't like hotdogs, don't eat them. If your "are not a real fan of shitty corporation music", then don't listen to it. But stealing is still stealing.

[fernandez]

Certainly you can sell music, but once you have sold it, you can't retain ownership of it. That wouldn't be selling.
By the way, how is digital information and hardware the same thing?
As for your hotdog example:
If you don't like Zeropaid, don't read what's written here.

[DETROIT]

Nice website it shows it all about the money. Dont forget they have to pay for artist endorsements. lol:ass :ass :ass

[broadwayrock]

>>I am so sick of you pissant little tewits who have never had to pay for anything in your lives and think it is just fine to steal from hard-working composers <<

In the UK the average price of a cd is £13. The average 'hard-working composer' will make about £1.20 per cd if they are moderately successful.

The rest of that money will go to the record shops and record companies.

I’m not sure how much the record shop will make compared to the record company, but you can be pretty sure that the record company takes the biggest slice of the profits.

It's a classic dupe from record labels to tell their artists that file sharing is where all their royalties have gone.

The recording artist Janis Ian said in her article about file sharing:

"The normal industry contract is for seven albums, with no end date, which would be considered at best indentured servitude (and at worst slavery) in any other business. In fact, it would be illegal."

If cds were cheaper i would not feel the need to file share (except for out of print / rare files)

If i knew the average artist was getting a proper wage out each cd i would buy their cd if i liked it.

If we are stealing, then it’s from the record companies. I'm certainly not going to pay for another record company executive’s line of coke.

It’s the record companies that steal from the artists. They call the shots.

[Lamourlady]

Originally posted by deserttrader50
If you don't like the music, don't listen to it. If you like it, pay for it. Music is no less property than your computer. Stealing music is no different than snatching purses from little old ladies. I am so sick of you pissant little tewits who have never had to pay for anything in your lives and think it is just fine to steal from hard-working composers (whose own kids rely on them to pay for their computers ... and food). Wake up you little snots. The Internet was paid for by capitalist money. It never was intended to be a medium for peole to steal property with impunity. OK, you hate the music industry. Big deal. I hate the supermarket industry, but that doesn't give me the moral (or legal) right to take anything I want from the shelves for free. And what is wrong with composers and musicians making money from the music they compose and perform? Maybe all composers should have a day job waiting tables and give away all theur music because it is really not about the money. You children make me want to puke.

If you don't like hotdogs, don't eat them. If your "are not a real fan of shitty corporation music", then don't listen to it. But stealing is still stealing.

oh, my.
geez, i wish i had the time to answer this post properly, but i must get ready for work.
but.............i will be back tonight to tear this piece of shit apart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[beardedwonder]

Originally posted by deserttrader50
If you don't like the music, don't listen to it.

So how do i found out about other not so well known bands? How do i find out if they've only got 2 good songs on the album, or if it's worth shelling out £13 ( $21.59, €18.21).

If you like it, pay for it.

No problem, i do this.

Music is no less property than your computer.

Yes, but whereas i can get good competitive prices on computer hardware this doesn't exist in the music industry because record companies band together to keep prices high and if, like in the UK, supermarkets start stocking CD then the record companies start to bitch about it because the prices are lower.

Stealing music is no different than snatching purses from little old ladies.

LOL

I am so sick of you pissant little tewits who have never had to pay for anything in your lives and think it is just fine to steal from hard-working composers (whose own kids rely on them to pay for their computers ... and food).

Ok, now you're just being needlessly offensive. I pay for lots of things and am getting taken for a ride by ridiculous prices, 17.5% tax on CDs!

Wake up you little snots. The Internet was paid for by capitalist money.

Actually no, the internet started off as ARPANET which was used for both military and research purposes in the US and was funded by a government agency called ARPA. Obviously more recently ISPs have helped, governments have ploughed money into encouraging people to connect to the internet.

And what is wrong with composers and musicians making money from the music they compose and perform?

Absolutely no problem, from what i've seen recently they seem to be doing fairly well as it is.

Maybe all composers should have a day job waiting tables and give away all theur music because it is really not about the money. You children make me want to puke.

Well, it shouldn't be about the money it's about them enjoying what they and they're perfectly within their rights to make money from that.

If you don't like hotdogs, don't eat them.

Not a fan!

If your "are not a real fan of shitty corporation music", then don't listen to it.

No probs for me.

But stealing is still stealing.

Yep, it's just a shame that the record companies seem to be stealing from the artists and are deperately seeking things to blame for falls in CD sales. The fact that many economies around the world aren't in the greatest state at the moment, this can be seen in quite a lot of countries in Europe where the rate of unemployment (http://www.ibeurope.com/Database/Resources/R041unemp.htm) has risen a lot, how many unemployed people do you know that go out and spend money on CDs?
The things that people stop buying when the 'chips are down' are non-essentials i.e music, going to the cinema etc.

I personally believe that record companies are looking for excuses to keep prices up.


PS:
deserttrader50's signature
If it is okay to steal from composers, why can't I come into your house and steal from you? I think I'll take that MP3 player...

Because i'll be standing at the door.........waiting, oh and then you'll have a fun time finding 'stolen' mp3s on my Mp3 player because they're all recorded off my CDs that i bought and paid a fortune for.

PPS: I hate being bored.

[Tremaine]

Originally posted by broadwayrock
Mmmmmmmm intresting site.

I like the quote from the Russian lesbian band Tatu:

"Please don’t steal our music if you’re really smart guys."

mmmmm tempting


theres a another bit on the site:

"P2P software users, you do more than simply download files. You probably also make files on your hard drive available for copying by others. Not only does this make you a potential illegal distributor, it also means that whenever you're online, every other network user around the world (and there are tens of millions of them) has the ability to access your hard drive.

If you want to do the right thing - and, not incidentally, keep strangers out of your hard drive - you should disable your P2P software's uploading capability. Click HERE to see how to do that in KaZaA."

whatwhat what?? strangers in my hard drive?? quick! i must delete everything!

With statements like disable uploading all the stupid users on Kazaa might do it. If kazaa can't get shutdown by the music industry etc. they could get shut down due to lack of content, which i think is highly unlikely.

[Siskabush]

Originally posted by deserttrader50
If you don't like the music, don't listen to it. - Thats why I dont listen to it, I dont listen to the radio, Muchmusic, MTV, nothing.

I download because I love European hard trance, something that is extremely obscuere in Canada. I mean, the music stores have maybe 5 different albums of trance, and the rest brittney spears or Jlo garbage.

If you like it, pay for it. - I payed 30$ for a rare Rave-o-lution CD I managed to find.

Music is no less property than your computer. Stealing music is no different than snatching purses from little old ladies. - Actually its like getting your money back from the RIAA for thier price fixing.

I am so sick of you pissant little tewits who have never had to pay for anything in your lives and think it is just fine to steal from hard-working composers (whose own kids rely on them to pay for their computers ... and food). - Everytime i hear a great tune on the Internet radio (Digitally imported), I cant really afford to wait 2 weeks to send away to germany + pay the 30$ for the CD.

To download, it takes 1-5 minutes, and costs me that much time.

Wake up you little snots. The Internet was paid for by capitalist money. It never was intended to be a medium for peole to steal property with impunity. - What the other guy said.

OK, you hate the music industry. Big deal. I hate the supermarket industry, but that doesn't give me the moral (or legal) right to take anything I want from the shelves for free. - Man if i could duplicate a pizza like i can duplicate a file on my computer, i guess i would be taking all the food i want.

Also, The RIAA has price fixing, and a monopoly.
Supermarkets have competition, and better prices.
I can get 6 12" pizzas at Superstore for 18$. Wheras i can only get 1 CD with 2 good tunes on it for the same price.

And what is wrong with composers and musicians making money from the music they compose and perform? Maybe all composers should have a day job waiting tables and give away all theur music because it is really not about the money. You children make me want to puke. - Maybe the RIAA shouldnt take 90% of the artists profits. Im not supporting corporations who sit on thier ass and get $$ from the sweat and talent of other people. We aint hurting the artists, were hurting the corporations that hurt the artists.

If you don't like hotdogs, don't eat them. If your "are not a real fan of shitty corporation music", then don't listen to it. - I dont listen to it.

But stealing is still stealing. - Im suprised you didnt mention how the RIAA price fixes to steal from us.

[chipperrox]

SHUTUP!!! ALL OF YOU!!! SHUTUP!!!

[tons of fun]

UGH!!

[Cleric]

CLOSE THE THREAD> QUICK..

THEY COME AS FLOOD OF LOCUSTS DESTROYING ALL THAT COME IN CONTACT

[Kyle06]

Originally posted by Wolfie
Flashy new website , same old sorry message. I wonder how much the no name artists got paid thier testimonials?

No one knows lol

[Wings_of_Azrael]

From looking at them, I think I'd rather steal their panties than their music.

[rainbowdemon]

"Using a peer-to-peer service can give anyone using the same service access to files on your computer " Isn't this what is called "sharing"???

[rainbowdemon]

"Please don't steal our music if you're really smart guys." So who ever said that we are really smart???:hole

[startrkfan2002]

I for one am not going to listen to any hot shot that speaks for the big grippers about P2P progs.

Why dont these fellows get onto things that are more direct via the software, such as shutting down Porn sites by groups that target and prey on kids?


It would be more suitable and respectable for such types.
And make it more friendly for them as well:shy

[Shadow, Thief of the Sun]

I just hope that there will be one day when Tatu will ask their wisest fans not to listen to their "music" instead of "stealing it".

I also think that someone should delete message of the guy who said that we are greedy thiefs. Too offensive, since not all of us are just downloading music. Plus, we all know that kid who is getting 7 dollars per hour will not be able to buy a lot of CD's and software.

[Shadow, Thief of the Sun]

And then i looked at the list of people who are talking about music stealing and i just laughed:

Calling, the - Backstreet Boys with guitars

Tatu - Do i even have to explain why is it SO bad ( even though i was born in Russia, i do believe that they are representing the worst tendencies in Russian pop music)

Sophie Ellie-Bextor - Umm...no i'm not going to say anything about actresses turning to musicians instantly.

And so on.

I mean - are they seriously trying to teach me something by showing opinions of these "talents" ? No-no-no, i'm not gonna listen. There was also some guy from "American Idol" in that list, if i'm correct.

Besides they forgot to add that there are way too many artists who are not against p2p systems and who are far more talented than most people on that list.

[TheIceMan]

Notice how deserttrader50 has only had 2 posts the c.unt probably is a record store owner, the little f.uckwitt needs a good kicking,unfortunately we are not as gullible and stupid as people like that hope we are.
COPYING IS NOT STEALING!!! IT IS UNAUTHORISED COPYING FOR F.UCKS SAKE, STEALING IS BEATING THE CRAP OUT OF OLD LADIES AND NICKING THEIR MONEY - SLIGHT DIFFERENCE MOST SANE PEOPLE CAN APPRECIATE.

go have a cat scan you thick shi.t.

[TheIceMan]

p.s. at least when tatu's recording contract is dropped they can have a promising career in the porn industry which is not a bad thing ;)

[Cleric]

Im with TheIceMan,

TATU porn video will make more money than thier album sales...
I'll buy that for a dollar..:devil

[NDGAARONDI]

Haha Tatu aren't that good at singing either :shy

Oh I knew that pron stuff would pick up.............

You know.......people complain on the internet mostly about money, like with ppl who make ads, and complain ppl use anti-pop-up software/browsers........they claim blocking their ads is theft.........

The first use and original idea of the internet was information not economics

Just wandering...............who invented the World Wide Web? I know it's a different person to the internet.............can't remember his name........damn he should have patented the whol lot if he didn't!

[rainbowdemon]

Just wandering...............who invented the World Wide Web? I know it's a different person to the internet.............can't remember his name........damn he should have patented the whol lot if he didn't! I always thought the world wide web and the internet were kind of the same thig. Anyhow Al Gore said that he invented it!! LOL

[Siskabush]

didnt Al Gore have the concept of a Internet in the late 80's, earlier 90's?

I think it was him, not too sure on that though.

[rainbowdemon]

Originally posted by Siskabush
didnt Al Gore have the concept of a Internet in the late 80's, earlier 90's?

I think it was him, not too sure on that though. Al Gore is an idiot. The concept of a worldwide computer network existed in the '70s. If not sooner.

[Cleric]

Actually he did play a smal minute part. I think he got everyone coffee during the talks.

::0

No where near the aspect he claims and thats why it backfired on him.

[rainbowdemon]

Actually he did play a smal minute part. I think he got everyone coffee during the talks. That's very funny! I guess somebody had to do it.:fire

[NDGAARONDI]

Well from what I've heard, the inventor of the WWW is actually English (sounds biased I know). But I want to know who it was, kinda got a bad memory - knew the name of the guy about 2 years ago!

Well the internet was joning up LANs from different sites together, mainly universities.

WWW is what you see, and most of the time, have this confused with the internet. Hypertext is WWW........

Internet has been around since the 60s I thought.......damn..........we use this tencho stuff and some of us don't know it's history lol

[rainbowdemon]

didnt Al Gore have the concept of a Internet in the late 80's, earlier 90's? AllAl Gore did was "lose" the presidential election. Now let's take a look at the guy that "won".

[NDGAARONDI]

Well since this is the p2politics thread that image is very appropriate lol :fire

What surpises me is that on the whole, America seem to think oh well no weapons found, let's move on. From what I've heard anyway.

Over in Britain there's hearings about it etc.

Show's how different we really are :fire

I'm gonna find out who started the web once and for all lol

[Cleric]

Honestly, IMHO

That freak over there, NO not GW,hehe

Was able to stall for so long he had time to hide all the stuff.
Back in 1990 when he invaded Kuwait and also planned on going straight to Saudi, he had those weapons. He used them then and kept using them against his own people for years.

During the fighting that just took place he fired a missle into Kuwait, why? Cause he is crazy, and the missle he fired was part of a list of missles he said he DIDNT have. hmmm

We (USA) and the rest of the world knew he had TONS of Chemical weapons like Anthrax and Mustard Gas and now there just gone and no where to be accounted for. The United Nations ordered him to give up those weapons, because the UN knew he had them. He kept stalling and killing his own people and since he knew the USA was going in and no way in hell he would win even if he used those weapons, he hid them.

There is actually evidence they are in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia was allowing top officials from IRAQ to go there and hide before and during the confrontation. One top official of Iraq was caught coming of Saudi Arabia. Thats a fact not an opnion or a rumor.

The Saudi dont like the US very much. Even the French, it has been found out, provided Passports that allow many of the IRAQ officials to travel through Europe anonymously.

There are many countries working together to make the US look bad. The only problem is, they wont show it on the news because making GW look BAD is more news worthy.

[ddandelion]

The United States doesn't need anyone else to make us look bad. We do a great job of that on our own.

[NDGAARONDI]

Well, to be honest, the French make the UK silly by allowing, or not bothering, about all those illegal immigrants. Why don't they stay in France?! Yeah take 'em to the ECJ and get some compensation for providing them with stuff.....so the French taxpayers will pay and not the British :shy

[Cleric]

Originally posted by NDGAARONDI
Well, to be honest, the French make the UK silly by allowing, or not bothering, about all those illegal immigrants. Why don't they stay in France?! Yeah take 'em to the ECJ and get some compensation for providing them with stuff.....so the French taxpayers will pay and not the British :shy


I agree. The British need to be left alone. I mean that in the good sense.

[method]

Hell, if half of you knew about the sangatte refugee shit you'd realize why the brits have a reason to be very pissed at the french GOVERNMENT (not the people, it's not thier fault)

But my point for posting wasn't that!!!

For one, who the fúck gives a shít about that tatu trash, wow their lesbians, their music still sucks rectum to an unbelievable extent. And pro-music might as well be called anti-p2p, it's the lamest, most bullshít-spewing site I've seen since KaZaA GOLD!!!!

Honestly, the industry gets lamer by the minute!!!

[NDGAARONDI]

ever heard of Kazaa Platinum and WinMX Titanium?

*sarcasm*

:fire :fire :fire :fire :fire

[[ITA]addoc]

Originally posted by NDGAARONDI

I'm gonna find out who started the web once and for all lol

Tim Berners-Lee

http://www.time.com/time/time100/scientist/profile/bernerslee.html
http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/

:playboy

[NDGAARONDI]

Cheers! I knew he was English!

Man if he wanted he could have patented stuff and copyright and get licences from people etc. so that he'd be bigger himself than, well, ummmm MicroSoft or other people for that matter :fire