Mac or Windows

[TFoS_Fan]

Ok, someone fill me in.

Whats is the difference between Mac and Windows. out of the latest versions which are the best.I have never seen a mac never mind used one so I know very little.I seen some really cool screenshots of a mac on zeropaid and it rerally interested me and ofcourse stuff like the Ipod too.So could someone tell me why, the real reason, everybody uses Windows nearly and not Mac. I dont hear of anyone getting (U know how) there beta OS and what is the compatibility like, like what p2p's can u use and can u dual boot a pc with a mac os and a windows os

[isus]

people hate me for this.

but osx is the best.

haha.

i would wait a few months before buying a mac though, they are releasing a great new cpu that will blow away anything intel or amd has for the same price.

and don't complain about expensive hardware:
www.applepurchaseprogram.com

[crazytrain]

Oh no here we go again this thread will get ugly like the last one did i can see it already.

[d-koolest]

People like Windows if they like to do certains things on their computers, and Mac if they like to do others. I use both: my family has WinXP and I have OS X downstairs in my room. The major highlights of Macs are the ease of use (ever if you're a computer guru it's refreshing), the great multimedia apps, and the way everything on a Mac works seamlessly. They're used by the majority of professional video/photo/animation people, and all the accessories are made to fit perfectly. No searching for drivers or getting adapters (or even installing software usually). The iPod's the best example.

The reason the screenshots look good is that Macs are very visual: they show you what to do instead of telling you. If you're drawn to the screenshots you might really like them.

The major problem with them is compatibility with Windows. You can get around that by, um, "buying" a copy of Virtual PC. It lets you run a windows OS in its own window, right on your Mac desktop. Macs are better for visual stuff, PCs are better for p2p and gaming. Virtual PC is invaluable.

[d-koolest]

My desktop.

...

or not, ot won't let me post it.
Too big maybe.

[wonderboy2005]

the reason mac controls a whopping 3% of the market share and windows controls over 90 % is because back in the day, ol' bill decided that he'd allow other computer manufacturers to create computers that would run his OS. steve jobbs didn't do this. so now there were a bunch of companies supporting windows, and only 1 apple. support grew and grew for windows, and apple grew too, but not at such an exponential rate as MS. so long story short, <90% of people like non-proprietary OSs, and about 3% like proprietary OSs.
(dont get mad at me for that, its just a generalization)

since jobbs decided his OS would be proprietary (meaning it only runs on his products) that means that if you want to run a mac OS, you need a mac. plain and simple. there are currently no decent ways around this. however, there are rumors that apple may release an x86 ver of osx in the near future, which would in turn mean that it would be pc compatible. until then, your stuck with either 2 sytems, or your gonna have to live with one or the other.

<end objectivity>

for me, there really is no need for a mac. there isnt much software for macs that doesnt have an equally good (or better) windows counterpart. this is not true the other way around though. software for mac is (dare i say) pitiful compared to windows. and this is for good reason. why write a program for a max of 3% of the market when you can write a program that has a max potential of over 90%?

and then there's games. games for windows are very abundant. you'd be hard pressed to walk into circuit city and not find a windows compatible game that you'd like. conversely, you wont find ANY mac games in circuit city, unless of course, the creators put a mac version along with the pc version, which wasnt too uncommon a few years ago, but now that games take up whole cds and many times a second or third, that means that if they wanted to include a mac version, they;d have to create 2x the cds for the same profit. its just not going to happen.

and lest we forget: P2P

here's an analogy for you: windows P2P is to the garden of eden as mac P2P is to the weeds that grow through the cracks in your driveway. ok, so maybe its not THAT bad, but the key players in mac P2P are mainly gnutella clients. enough said. sure, there's DC for mac, but other than that, its pretty scamp.

and finally, the price. you can go out and by almost 2 comperable PCs for the price of one mac. and im being conservative saying that.

macs arent all bad though. they are top notch for graphics; if it weren't for the hefty price tag behind a good mac, im sure they'd be used for video and graphics a crapload more.

[jonny5]

I remember this hilarious video i saw online. It was telling about how great the mac was in a sarcastic way. For example, it said, "you already know what all the best games on the mac are because you played them all 10 years ago on the pc. There's donkey kong, superdonkey kong... (voice trails off)" Or something close to that. Also it said, "It's SO easy to upgrade a mac. With a pc, you have to decide what goes where.. (talks all technical like), but with an apple, you just throw away your old one and get a new one.

I would say the reason my dad and ultimately I got a pc is because there just wasn't as much software for the mac at the time. I think there are still more programs for the pc.

On the other hand, if you want a computer that does graphic type programs really well, the mac is the way to go.

Guess it comes down to what do you want to do with your computer.

[d-koolest]

You can get just about every major p2p ecxept Kazaa on a Mac. And it seems most people at ZP don't adore Kazaa that much anyway (again, massive generalization).

You can get:

eDonkey/Overnet
BitTorrent
Gnutella
Direct Connect
IRC

The only thing I miss is a Piolet for Mac, it seems the kind of thing Mac users would like too. And don't forget Virtual PC: you can get anything windows too.

[isus]

Originally posted by wonderboy2005
the reason mac controls a whopping 3% of the market share and windows controls over 90 % is because back in the day, ol' bill decided that he'd allow other computer manufacturers to create computers that would run his OS. steve jobbs didn't do this. so now there were a bunch of companies supporting windows, and only 1 apple. support grew and grew for windows, and apple grew too, but not at such an exponential rate as MS. so long story short, <90% of people like non-proprietary OSs, and about 3% like proprietary OSs.
(dont get mad at me for that, its just a generalization)

since jobbs decided his OS would be proprietary (meaning it only runs on his products) that means that if you want to run a mac OS, you need a mac. plain and simple. there are currently no decent ways around this. however, there are rumors that apple may release an x86 ver of osx in the near future, which would in turn mean that it would be pc compatible. until then, your stuck with either 2 sytems, or your gonna have to live with one or the other.

<end objectivity>

for me, there really is no need for a mac. there isnt much software for macs that doesnt have an equally good (or better) windows counterpart. this is not true the other way around though. software for mac is (dare i say) pitiful compared to windows. and this is for good reason. why write a program for a max of 3% of the market when you can write a program that has a max potential of over 90%?

and then there's games. games for windows are very abundant. you'd be hard pressed to walk into circuit city and not find a windows compatible game that you'd like. conversely, you wont find ANY mac games in circuit city, unless of course, the creators put a mac version along with the pc version, which wasnt too uncommon a few years ago, but now that games take up whole cds and many times a second or third, that means that if they wanted to include a mac version, they;d have to create 2x the cds for the same profit. its just not going to happen.

and lest we forget: P2P

here's an analogy for you: windows P2P is to the garden of eden as mac P2P is to the weeds that grow through the cracks in your driveway. ok, so maybe its not THAT bad, but the key players in mac P2P are mainly gnutella clients. enough said. sure, there's DC for mac, but other than that, its pretty scamp.

and finally, the price. you can go out and by almost 2 comperable PCs for the price of one mac. and im being conservative saying that.

macs arent all bad though. they are top notch for graphics; if it weren't for the hefty price tag behind a good mac, im sure they'd be used for video and graphics a crapload more.

i just had to laugh when i saw this... haha.
ok. now, to reply on everything you say:
the first 2 paragraphs are reasonable. but where apple is proprietary, at least their hardware is original. can't say that about any case i have seen since alienware's original box. and that has been copied out the ass.

"there isnt much software for macs that doesnt have an equally good (or better) windows counterpart"
lol. yea, what about itunes? winamp doesn't equal itunes. where's the smart playlists, the music store, the media manager, support for mp3 ripping and burning without a plugin? and then, iphoto? or imovie?

the third paragraph: look around, there are mac games everywhere... ut2003, the sims, ghost recon or whatever that was called. bajillions of games for windows, millions for mac.

"windows P2P is to the garden of eden as mac P2P is to the weeds that grow through the cracks in your driveway"
haha. look at all the bullshit clones win has... almost every gnutella client is the same nowadays... the only good clients anymore are kazaa lite, winmx, shareaza, and piolet. and i could use neo if i wanted kazaa on a mac.

"and finally, the price. you can go out and by almost 2 comperable PCs for the price of one mac. and im being conservative saying that"
we already answered that... read the first reply... my post. look at the link.

[Theinfamousone]

It just so happens that I'm on my freinds imac and I took a screen shotty for all you guys. You can see my little convo with the new "iChat" that connects to AIM. And then of course you can see my avatar, because I was talking to my mom who was on my screen name at home, so it shows my avatar. (Gizmo Duck) I'm using Safari to cruise Zeropaid.

I have my PC at home with the "iTunes" skin because I like the clean look so much.

I am amazed at what this thing can do. I opened up a pdf file right in Apple Works by dragging it into paint. That's pretty amazing to me. Being that it's a propriety format and all.

Everything is 3D. It's pretty cool.

[wonderboy2005]

Originally posted by isus
i just had to laugh when i saw this... haha.
ok. now, to reply on everything you say:
the first 2 paragraphs are reasonable. but where apple is proprietary, at least their hardware is original. can't say that about any case i have seen since alienware's original box. and that has been copied out the ass.

"there isnt much software for macs that doesnt have an equally good (or better) windows counterpart"
lol. yea, what about itunes? winamp doesn't equal itunes. where's the smart playlists, the music store, the media manager, support for mp3 ripping and burning without a plugin? and then, iphoto? or imovie?

the third paragraph: look around, there are mac games everywhere... ut2003, the sims, ghost recon or whatever that was called. bajillions of games for windows, millions for mac.

"windows P2P is to the garden of eden as mac P2P is to the weeds that grow through the cracks in your driveway"
haha. look at all the bullshit clones win has... almost every gnutella client is the same nowadays... the only good clients anymore are kazaa lite, winmx, shareaza, and piolet. and i could use neo if i wanted kazaa on a mac.

"and finally, the price. you can go out and by almost 2 comperable PCs for the price of one mac. and im being conservative saying that"
we already answered that... read the first reply... my post. look at the link.

ugh... im not going to argue with you. everyone else does, and its gotten nowhere. if you like macs, so be it. i like em too, but windows has much more to offer me. thats the way it is. im not going to go buy a $2000 mac because you like them. nor will anyone else on this forum.

[d-koolest]

I got my eMac for $650, so I dunno what you're talkin about a $2000 machine. It's not as cool looking as the iMac, but just as fast. That's the same as a comperable PC I think.

[isus]

Originally posted by wonderboy2005
ugh... im not going to argue with you. everyone else does, and its gotten nowhere. if you like macs, so be it. i like em too, but windows has much more to offer me. thats the way it is. im not going to go buy a $2000 mac because you like them. nor will anyone else on this forum.

arguing is fun.

besides, i already realize that there a re a bajillion more people who don't understand how to get an apple for less ($2000 for a mac? what? you're talkin about a 17" pbook, right?)

i also realize that people like you who have never touched osx on a decent setup with the right software are just trying to push bill gates, the geeky looking freak, down our throats.

ehh, steve jobs might be geeky lookin too, but anywho...

nor will anyone else on this forum? there are several people who have already supported apple. just read...

[tackdaddy]

you said everything i wanted to say,very nice post.

[Theinfamousone]

Here's the screen shot

[Theinfamousone]

I just had to show you this. It's the screen shot of my screen shot except on my PC at home now. Notice anything similar?

[Mitsugi]

Originally posted by jonny5
I remember this hilarious video i saw online. It was telling about how great the mac was in a sarcastic way. For example, it said, "you already know what all the best games on the mac are because you played them all 10 years ago on the pc. There's donkey kong, superdonkey kong... (voice trails off)" Or something close to that. Also it said, "It's SO easy to upgrade a mac. With a pc, you have to decide what goes where.. (talks all technical like), but with an apple, you just throw away your old one and get a new one.
Apple Switch Ad (http://www.redvsblue.com/appleswitch.shtml)

[Merfmobile]

I have bought 2 macs for under 1000 dollars. One flower power imac for 200 dollars its 500 mhz 192 mb ram cd-rw drive 20 gigs. then I bought a powerbook wallstreet for 500 dollars its got 192 mb of ram 20 gigs and its 300 mhz. I like macs and thats how its going to stay with me. And why are you pc users in the mac forms anyway? Do you have voices that say go into the mac forms you know you want to?

Merf

[collideous]

My next PC will be a Mac :-)

[nasrules]

My next computer would be a Mac, but then I can't afford one. Don't give me all that shit about how people bang on about this subject, 'cause it's true!

The cheapest iMac is £1000. I'll be getting me a nice 'puter for around £400 around Christmas. Simple, eh?

[Psilaxs]

Look at all the perty colors, wow stimulates my creativity.

Wow, my desktop has all pretty colors woooow man.

Awww look, the mac is soo cuuute awww idnt that pweshis.

Overpriced underpowered.

Looks like an overgrown childrens toy.

I can do this without a plugin, i can do that with out a plugin.

So can windows users, most people who buy PC buy the pre fab kind, that come LOADED with a shitload of software.

My cousin recently bought a digital camera, it came with a crapload of software, i said screw that, i booted to XP, hooked it up through the USB port, and was able to just get the pictures straight from the camera.

You have I Tunes, I have Music Match 8.0, QCD player, Winamp,
and about a kabillion other great media players at my disposal.

Macs are niche products, always will be.

And before someone makes mention they can get a 300-500 mghz mac for 500 bucks (snickers) it cost me little more then 600 to build my brand new PC from parts I ordered over the internet. Mother board: 50 bucks. Video card: $150. CPU $80
Ram $60 CD rom $20. Burner $45 80 Gig $120. 40 gig $80

Not to mention i get to use all my old serviceable parts

[jonny5]

Originally posted by Mitsugi
Apple Switch Ad (http://www.redvsblue.com/appleswitch.shtml)
HAHAHA yes that's it!!

[isus]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
My cousin recently bought a digital camera, it came with a crapload of software, i said screw that, i booted to XP, hooked it up through the USB port, and was able to just get the pictures straight from the camera.

You have I Tunes, I have Music Match 8.0, QCD player, Winamp,
and about a kabillion other great media players at my disposal.


yea, osx does that crap too. and since it's unix, we can print to any printer in the known universe with cups. windows needs 53748923 drivers, which is why the windows folder alone is over 1gb in size.

and one itunes beats out winamp, qcd, mmjb, and those other kabillion 'great' media players. why have 493865934012 when you only need one? it cuts down on wasted hard drive space.

[Psilaxs]

I specifically mention the Digital camera because mac claims it a strong point for the apple.

Funny, i have never had a problem with printing anything on windows (Save for the very old days)


You always mention Itunes Itunes itunes wtf is so damned great about Itunes?

Ok, good, you have printer support and Itunes, enjoy

[BlueLieu]

There's one person in my office that uses a MAC, he makes pretty pictures for us developers to wire into the UI. He and the person before him both used a MAC, were left handed and I'm pretty sure worshiped the devil. :shy

Just kidding, they weren't both left handed.

[triniti]

I use both as they serve their own purposes, however windows is the main one for me because of visual studio .net 2003 (my field of work).

[wonderboy2005]

isus, dont ever assume anything. i HAVE used osx; my best friend has it on his imac,which i use almost every time i go over there. since he is technically illiterate, i have to find ways to get his mac to do stuff he wants to do because i can do them. everything i try to do for him is a cvonstant battle with a lack of good software, and a lack of virtually anything mac on P2P networks.
also, there are 6 computers in this house. only one is a pc. the other 5 are all mac. but you know what? ive spent more time on this computer (PC) today than i have on any of those 5 macs this year. why? cuz i can do anything and everything on a pc 10x better than on any of those macs.

im not going to argue anymore. ive learned that arguing gets you nowhere, especially when its a matter of opinion. if you dont like the fact that 97 percent of computer owners disagree with you, then get a PC.

[triniti]

Originally posted by Theinfamousone
I just had to show you this. It's the screen shot of my screen shot except on my PC at home now. Notice anything similar?

What are you using to get this theme??

[Captain_FLX]

Here's mine it's my Windows Xp as you can see the best thing of a mac to me it's the interface but i already have it so i'm not interested in buying one :)

[Captain_FLX]

it doesnt upload the picture :'(

[Captain_FLX]

Windows baby! atleast we have KaZaa and alot more P2P programs wich mac doesnt

[Captain_FLX]

one more try

[crackerjacker]

heh man i remember the macintosh from a very long time ago.
i liked it.
but as of now unfortunately i will stick with a pc running windows.
macs are good for those who use it.
i remmeber those that someone i know use to have some good games running n his macintosh.
lots of original games and such.
hmm *cough* macs are great
but time for reality
pc
my opinion is awesome.
woot woot
haha

[isus]

wonderboy:
what can't you find good software to do?
i can do everything i ever wanted with my ibook, and then some. and it's prettier too ;)

psilaxs:
we have printer support, itunes, imovie, iphoto, isync, safari, idvd, ical, mail... etc.

and they are all free. no need to look for anything. you don't even need internet to be able to pull out a mac and be able to do 95% of what you wanted (minus surfing the net and checkin email obviously).

winamp isn't standard on any pc's i've ever looked at, dell or whoever... there's no scheduling help in windows. no junk-mail filtering mail client. no photo organizer. that's all stuff you hafta find or buy.

besides, osx's default aqua theme is a helluva lot better than playschool luna.

one more thing: lol @ captainflx... yea, use windows bc of kazaa. that's the defining point right there.

[wonderboy2005]

Originally posted by isus
wonderboy:
what can't you find good software to do?
i can do everything i ever wanted with my pc, and then some. and it's prettier too ;)


oh really? play an xvid movie for me. oops... you cant. theres your answer.

im fine with the fact that your a mac fanboy, but that doesnt mean everyone else has to see it your way. and apparently, they dont. for every one mac user, there are atleast 30 windows users. you're never going to get them to convert.

[isus]

lol. i can deal with the fact im significantly outnumbered.

but, i can't dispute your claim that xvid can't be played on apple. i'm not really sure about all the codecs, and formats, and blah blah blah. the only video i want to see is my dvd playing on my tv. lol.

i can suggest one thing though:
if there is anything out there for any flavor of unix, it can probably be run in osx using x11.

if i knew more details about xvid, i could help you out a little more, but... like i said, i only know www.divx.com and they have a mac version. *shrug*

*** actually, within moments of reading the thing about xvid, i searched google and sf.net and found these:
http://freshmeat.net/projects/xvid/
http://www.macslash.org/articles/03/01/03/1445223.shtml
http://www.dvdrhelp.com/play

i dont have any xvid files, so i wouldn't be able to tell you which work, and which don't... anything else you need help finding? ;)

[d-koolest]

I use both OS X and XP almost every day, and the more i use OS X the more XP bugs me. All the time spent setting things up and getting around incomprehensible glitches...

I think the only reason 97% of computer users have PCs is because they're used to them. Its not a question of better, its a question of what the guy at the store you went to to get your first computer told you. Sure, there's more stuff for PCs but that's only because more people have them BECAUSE THEY'RE USED TO THEM.

And why does no one take notice of the fact that you can run Windows on Macs too?

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by isus
lol. i can deal with the fact im significantly outnumbered.

but, i can't dispute your claim that xvid can't be played on apple. i'm not really sure about all the codecs, and formats, and blah blah blah. the only video i want to see is my dvd playing on my tv. lol.

i can suggest one thing though:
if there is anything out there for any flavor of unix, it can probably be run in osx using x11.

if i knew more details about xvid, i could help you out a little more, but... like i said, i only know www.divx.com and they have a mac version. *shrug*

*** actually, within moments of reading the thing about xvid, i searched google and sf.net and found these:
http://freshmeat.net/projects/xvid/
http://www.macslash.org/articles/03/01/03/1445223.shtml
http://www.dvdrhelp.com/play

i dont have any xvid files, so i wouldn't be able to tell you which work, and which don't... anything else you need help finding? ;)

Mac's are more flash then use....I've used many Mac systems over the years....

THEY SUCK....

More then half the shit you listed is created by Apple therefore probably has a Mac/Apple agenda behind it's creation...I want CHOICE...

I'd rather have to dig through 50 windows programs and find one that rocks then live with Mac's idea of what I wanna use....

Sure it all looks good...but it still doesn't give me exactly what I want.

Video editing? Hmmm...Imovie sucks compared to Premiere...most just dislike premiere because they don't have a clue.

And lastly....if all you wanna do is watch DVD's on your TV...what the hell are you doing using p2p apps? So Mac's can't work with certain video codecs? Well...I don't care cuz I love blowing Steve....no need to discuss the pros and cons of Macs...I'll just blow Steve!

Isus no offense dude...but it's fact...Mac's have always been and will always be flashy toys...Linux is better then OSX anyway...and it's the same exact 'base'....and it runs on PC....

[metale]

Originally posted by CCSDUDE
Mac's are more flash then use....I've used many Mac systems over the years....

THEY SUCK....

More then half the shit you listed is created by Apple therefore probably has a Mac/Apple agenda behind it's creation...I want CHOICE...

I'd rather have to dig through 50 windows programs and find one that rocks then live with Mac's idea of what I wanna use....

Sure it all looks good...but it still doesn't give me exactly what I want.

Video editing? Hmmm...Imovie sucks compared to Premiere...most just dislike premiere because they don't have a clue.

And lastly....if all you wanna do is watch DVD's on your TV...what the hell are you doing using p2p apps? So Mac's can't work with certain video codecs? Well...I don't care cuz I love blowing Steve....no need to discuss the pros and cons of Macs...I'll just blow Steve!

Isus no offense dude...but it's fact...Mac's have always been and will always be flashy toys...Linux is better then OSX anyway...and it's the same exact 'base'....and it runs on PC....

Wow...
Totally agreed!!!!

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by metale
Wow...
Totally agreed!!!!

Ladies and GENTLEMAN!! We have a new Zeropaid Parrot!!!


Metale, for the love of GOD, please do me a favor, pretty please, and i am asking in the nicest way possible,

Is it possible, or could you, POST MORE THEN 3 sentences?? PLEASE!?!?!? For me??

[CCSDUDE]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
Ladies and GENTLEMAN!! We have a new Zeropaid Parrot!!!


Metale, for the love of GOD, please do me a favor, pretty please, and i am asking in the nicest way possible,

Is it possible, or could you, POST MORE THEN 3 sentences?? PLEASE!?!?!? For me??

Dropped on her/his head as a baby? A product of incest? To drunk to type much?

I guess we'll never know....

*The truth is out there...*

[Theinfamousone]

I use OSX and XP every day too. And I have to say that the more I use OSX, the more I hate XP too. They make sure that everything is compatible with everything else for you. iMovie rules Premiere. I've spent soooo much time with Premiere, and in 30 seconds on iMovie I was able to do exponentially more. Plus you left out the fact that iMovie is $30, and Premiere is 20 times that! iMovie is nice because it renders automatically and you don't have to render the whole movie in parts that you didn't even change. It's so much faster when rendering, and importing (capturing) video is a snap. The effects it has are way better than Premiere's.

The best video program for PC is Vegas Video, and that can't do lots of stuff that iMovie does. The rendering is a headache in Vegas, there's no text support. If anyone wants to check out the movie I made in iMovie, it's soooo awesome. PM me and I'll give you my FTP address.

The other thing is, iDVD is soooo nice. I've got DVDit! PE 2.5. It doesn't allow me to make folders, or moving backgrounds in the menus, and I have to convert the sound files to wav 48000 khz sampling rate in order to play them in the menus, the easiest way I found to convert audio was QuickTime ironically. I've had DVDit! for about 6 months and still do not know how to make chapters, it took me 3 seconds to figure it out in iDVD. Also, it allows you to choose which frame from the movie you want to use for the thumbnail. Oh yeah, once again, iDVD is practically free and DVDit! is freakin' $550. Plus, iDVD converts everything for you sooooo easily, it's amazingly easy.

If you really want a nice video editing program, get Final Cut Pro. I'd give my front teeth to be able to run that program on my comp.

[isus]

lol.

i use p2p for music.

i would rip dvd's to divx and leave them on my comp, except at the moment, i have about 7gb of space left on a 20gb hard drive.

and if a file on p2p is 700mb for half the movie... which would probably be vcd quality, i would want much better quality. so lets shoot at 2gb per movie. i have about 10 dvd's i would wanna watch anywhere (the others suck).

i'd rather blow steve than be blowing bill gates like you. steve isn't as ugly.

video editing:
duh, of course either buying or getting a pirated copy of an ADOBE app will be better than anything apple makes. but premiere is the only thing i can think of that would.

and apple's idea of what i wanna use hasn't missed yet. and even if it does, there are alternatives for osx too. duh? even msie is on osx, and there's office, and mplayer, and blah blah blah.

and by putting 50 progs on your pc to find one good one, then uninstalling them, you have just pushed your comp closer to another reformat. good job!