"do you like apple?"

[isus]

this is a question about the front page poll:
do you like apple?

since so many people seem to have negative comments about it, why is it a near 50/50 split?

i think more people are willing to put apple down without ever seeing one in action, and yet i type this to you (with the ever trusty ibook 500) on osx...

i just dont understand.

maybe i never will...

especially people who argue about shit like how the p4 can beat a g3 anyday... gah. i dunno. please help me understand.

[Sephiroth]

Macintoshs are too expensive, very limited upgrade options, expensive support, apple makes you pay for some updates, and limited software selection is why i dont like Macs.

[cpugeniusmv]

here's my thing:

i'd love to try one! they're just way too expensive!! i'm not going to pay multiple thousands of dollars for something that i may or may not use.

[ATLien]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Macintoshs are too expensive, very limited upgrade options, expensive support, apple makes you pay for some updates, and limited software selection is why i dont like Macs.

Other than that, the G4 is a great sytem. I sure as hell would buy anything with a freakin' P4, P ANYTHING in it! I'll stick with the G4 and AMD, thank you.

[downloadalot]

The fact that mac does not support kazaa (if I'm not wrong) shoud be a sufficient reason not to buy it.

[wesr]

yes, expense is one major reason why i dont PREFER macs.
another reason is the fact that they are incompatible with many things......especially since im a gamer. sure they have alternatives, and they may be better or worse, but i find that i can do just as much on XP as a mac. plus, XP almost never crashes......and if u cant handle a freeze up i dunno, once a month......then ur very impatient

[crazytrain]

Yes most of your comments are true Apple's are expensive they arent very compatible but yet they are one of the most stable computers you can buy, the interface is awsome and its not full of security flaws like microsoft "IE you dont have to patch a patch because the patch you installed was full of more holes"

[Theinfamousone]

I think that Apple is good for what it's good for (that's my favorite saying). They are beautiful at graphical stuff, always have been. My problem is that they are too proprietary. I just bought a Western Digital hard drive for $86 on ebay with 120 Gigs and 7200RPM.

When I get it, I'll throw it in my non proprietary computer in 30 seconds and BAM, I've got 200 gigs. I'd like to see someone do that with an iMac. My friend's iMac got the mobo fried, he had to throw the entire thing away! The screen is going out on his new iMac, he's going to have to throw it away!!

He has a new G4 with the superdrive. It's about 4 months old. My computer has 3 times the hard drive space, a faster DVD burner, that supports all 4 DVD formats, I've got a 19" ultra high res monitor (his is 15" crappy LCD), with 4 speaker Boston Accoustics surround system with subwoofer, I've got another DVD drive that reads CDs up to 48x so I can play StarCraft and listen to CDs at the same time.

With my ATI Radeon 8500DV, I now have 4 firewire inputs, and 4 USB inputs. I can watch TV (and I do) on my comp, I can watch VHS tapes, I can capture anyting I want, and output it to TV (which I don't need to because my monitor is as big as my TV anyway).

I have 50% more RAM than him.

I can use floppy disks!!!

The clock speed of my P4 is 3 times what his is. That's not to say it's faster, but I'm sure it could keep up.

Go to Office Max, or Circuit City, or Best Buy or Costco or any of those stores and try to find any software that supports Mac. Nothing. Guaranteed, literally nothing. Well, once in a while, like StarCraft, you can play them on Mac ALSO.

My computer is 2 years old, costs the same price as his new one 2 years ago, and is way better in every measureable way.

Combine that with the lack of P2P networks, and you're spent.

They just got support for divx encoding. What would I have spent all those lonely nights doing the last 2 years? Not encoding movies, that's for sure.

They can't read Xvid or anything.

If you're on Apple, it's Quicktime, or, Quicktime.

It's Mac OS, or Mac OS.

It's iTunes or iTunes.

It's their way or the highway. They sued that one guy that made the iTunes plug in that allowed music sharing just because he didn't use their propriety coding language or something, that's just plane silly.

There's no virtualdub, no open source software (of any consequence), no BItTorrent, no Kazaa, Shareaza, or any of the random utilities like DivFix, or VobMerge, AVI Preview, nothing.

But, I don't hate apple or anything. For some people it works, and I'm happy for them. I love their iMovie, it's better than any PC movie maker I've used for the most part. I love their iPods, there's so other companies that have attempted clones, that are a lot cheaper, but they fall short every time.

Apple looks to the future, which is a good thing, but sometimes they forget about the present, and that's no good. I'm all about having a drawer for CDs.

They figured that was old hat, and got rid of it, just made it like a car CD player where you just put the CD in. They had to go back to the traditional CD drive in the newer models, they thought they didn't need a button for the CDdrive, after seeing my friend's lock up so much and not being able to get the CD out, it's no wonder they have buttons again.

I'm waiting for them to go back to putting floppy drives on them, LOL.

Ever tried using one of their mice? It makes me want to go postal using that for more than 5 minutes.

Oh yeah, I've never seen an OS lock up more than Mac OSX, and that's the honest truth. Well, maybe Windows ME....LOL.

[crazytrain]

Ahh I see there is another Starcraft fan out there.For being an older game it is still on my top 5 list.

[Theinfamousone]

Originally posted by crazytrain
Ahh I see there is another Starcraft fan out there.For being an older game it is still on my top 5 list.

It is an amazingly addictive and awesome game. There's so many ways to play that it can never get boring. It's like a deck of cards, only limited by your imagination.

I've got a funny story, it was on the top of the apple version of download.com's most talked about list for 5 years straight! Only recently have the banned talking about it or something (?). That tells you something about their variety of games they have available to them.

[Christoph]

I like apple a lot because they are against DRM/palladium

[isus]

fuckin microsoft internet explorer. my whole entry got erased and i dont know why. just poof, and it was gone.

anyway:
theinfamousone: we have divx now :-\

to everyone mentioning expensive hardware:
go to www.applepurchaseprogram.com

im pretty sure it's $250 down, then the price of the mac. saves a lot on a lot of computers...

for example:
a 1ghz pmac, with 256mb ram, 60gb hard drive, and cd-rw/dvd-rom (combo) drive, costs under $900.

a 1ghz pmac is more than plenty. even a dual 1.42 is under $1800

[mrlipring]

i find it hard to believe that apples can't play xvid, with it being open source and all.

I'll agree they're too expensive and don't support the apps (and games!) thati want to use, but they're beautiful, and SO well made.

[nukehella]

My girlfriend is a graphic designer and she swears by it.She swears at me a lot too,for what that's worth.

[nrichey]

I believe this question is like comparing apples with oranges.

[mrlipring]

bizarrely, my pc speaker started beeping the sash there. you could be right.

[Lamourlady]

excellent review, Theinfamousone, as usual.
and most respectable towards our friend Apple.
and with that.........i wouldn't buy one.

[isus]

theinfamousone: empty out your pm inbox :-P

[Undermind]

Originally posted by Lamourlady
excellent review, Theinfamousone, as usual.
and most respectable towards our friend Apple.
and with that.........i wouldn't buy one.



very diplomatic, me likey, HAHA

[g l i t c h]

I have poth Macs and PC's and I use each for their own prupose so I am like 50/50 although I think I spend more time on PC because of visual studio.

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by g l i t c h
I have poth Macs and PC's and I use each for their own prupose so I am like 50/50 although I think I spend more time on PC because of visual studio.
Hello world!

[isus]

Originally posted by cpugeniusmv
Hello world!

hahahahahahahaha... hahahahahahaha... can't breathe............ *gasp* lol.

[isus]

bc i had time on my hands...

[ATLien]

Originally posted by g l i t c h
I have poth Macs and PC's and I use each for their own prupose so I am like 50/50 although I think I spend more time on PC because of visual studio.

Like i said before, i got a Mac, because i wanted Final Cut
I got a PC, for all that other shit, that i do. So it's a matter of preference.

It will always be a never ending battle!

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Apple is completely shit. First up macs are ridiculously overpriced. I could build a PC for half the amount of money it would take ti buy a mac with similar performance.

and talking about building a system, its completely impossible to build (ie have your own custom) mac, because everything, hardware AND software is the ultimate in closed source.

apart from this, macs look absolutely stupid. I feel like a moron even being in the same room as one. Dont try telling a mac user how dumb their machine looks though, as they have managed to convince themselves that having a machine that looks like a sugar coated fischer price toy is "sophisticated" and "elegant". Absolutely hilarious.

[Undermind]

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock
Apple is completely shit. First up macs are ridiculously overpriced. I could build a PC for half the amount of money it would take ti buy a mac with similar performance.

and talking about building a system, its completely impossible to build (ie have your own custom) mac, because everything, hardware AND software is the ultimate in closed source.

apart from this, macs look absolutely stupid. I feel like a moron even being in the same room as one. Dont try telling a mac user how dumb their machine looks though, as they have managed to convince themselves that having a machine that looks like a sugar coated fischer price toy is "sophisticated" and "elegant". Absolutely hilarious.


HAHAHA, I couldn't agree more with this commie bastard

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock
Apple is completely shit. First up macs are ridiculously overpriced. I could build a PC for half the amount of money it would take ti buy a mac with similar performance.

and talking about building a system, its completely impossible to build (ie have your own custom) mac, because everything, hardware AND software is the ultimate in closed source.

apart from this, macs look absolutely stupid. I feel like a moron even being in the same room as one. Dont try telling a mac user how dumb their machine looks though, as they have managed to convince themselves that having a machine that looks like a sugar coated fischer price toy is "sophisticated" and "elegant". Absolutely hilarious.

Gives Grab_grab a standing ovation.

I have said the same things many times myself. for the price of 1 mac, you can build 3 kick ass computers that DO MORE and cost less.

http://www.ionvideogames.com/refresh/movies/dg_switch.mov

I love this parody ^^

[Wolfie]

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock
Apple is completely shit. First up macs are ridiculously overpriced. I could build a PC for half the amount of money it would take ti buy a mac with similar performance.

and talking about building a system, its completely impossible to build (ie have your own custom) mac, because everything, hardware AND software is the ultimate in closed source.

apart from this, macs look absolutely stupid. I feel like a moron even being in the same room as one. Dont try telling a mac user how dumb their machine looks though, as they have managed to convince themselves that having a machine that looks like a sugar coated fischer price toy is "sophisticated" and "elegant". Absolutely hilarious.

I would have said it a bit differently but I have agree with the grab grab's main points here (especially on not being able to customize).

[isus]

lol... how many people have a clone of alienware's original case? yea, its that annoying. at least apple puts money into r&d. and the computers look good, not fischer-price ish until you get an i something. and if you get an i-something, you are a cheap idiot. the minor exception is the 17" imac...

at least have the balls to buy a power something. the pbooks are aluminum (or titanium, the 15" is, the 12 and 17 are al) and the pmac does not look anything like a toy.

that old]

btw: grab grab, since apple uses x11, how is most of the software closed? oh yea, that's right, you were trying to find an open-source itunes... my bad. grow up. at least read before you post nonsense. there is a lot of closed source progs for windows too if you would look around. or do you consider kazaa open-source since somebody was able to reshack it?

[ATLien]

btw: grab grab, since apple uses x11, how is most of the software closed? oh yea, that's right, you were trying to find an open-source itunes... my bad. grow up. at least read before you post nonsense. there is a lot of closed source progs for windows too if you would look around. or do you consider kazaa open-source since somebody was able to reshack it?

Don't Hurt Him.

[isus]

Originally posted by ATLien
Don't Hurt Him.

i'm sure he's not hurt. but how long can people be ignorant? i mean, hell... at least read what osx does before you post about it.

like all the nice features of longhorn *< the gui features...*, yea... those'll be great. you can't believe they came from osx first, can you ___ (insert various windows supporters here). it's called quartz.

[ATLien]

The point is endless. The Mac does things better than the PC, and the PC does things better than the Mac.

It's like comparing a car, to a truck, and vice versa

[notbob]

if they would release their os for x86 computers, i'd try it

they can take their proprietary hardware and cram it where the sun don't shine

example--the "dome" computer--how do you fix that if the sound or cd drive etc go out?

answer: you buy a new computer of course (or pay an equivalent amount to get it fixed)

[maartendc]

Just one thing;

The 'fact' that mac doesn't have so many 'security-flaws' and 'virus-vulnerability' is due to the fact that mac isn't as popular as windows platforms.
Since almost everyone is using windows pc's, hackers and lamers are trying to find every possible way to get into and damage windows systems, and not mac systems.

Btw, win xp is as stable as any Mac. (on a decent config with sufficient ram anyway)

[isus]

Originally posted by ATLien
The point is endless. The Mac does things better than the PC, and the PC does things better than the Mac.

It's like comparing a car, to a truck, and vice versa

point taken...

notbob: you dont hafta get a new one... or pay to get it fixed. apple offers a 1 year warranty, and you can buy up to 3 years. but face it, after 1 year, any computer can/should be replaced anyway. 1 year ago, we had what, intel's p4 2.0ghz? now it's up to amd's 3200+... and there have been big improvements in ddr ram and graphics...

[Sephiroth]

Im sure that this thread will never end unless it starts flaming and gets closed for flaming or everyone makes isus happy by pretending that they love macs.

I LUV MACS, because they match the draps, plus there good for feng shui!!

Thanks apple for balancing my CHI!

[notbob]

Originally posted by isus

notbob: you dont hafta get a new one... or pay to get it fixed. apple offers a 1 year warranty, and you can buy up to 3 years. but face it, after 1 year, any computer can/should be replaced anyway. 1 year ago, we had what, intel's p4 2.0ghz? now it's up to amd's 3200+... and there have been big improvements in ddr ram and graphics...

that's bull

a computer can be replaced every year, but it is definitely not necessary

if you have an x86 pc, you can replace the parts that need replacing or upgrading, and keep the rest

for 300 or less you can replace the main parts of a pc (RAM, board, chip), while with a mac you pay 1500 minimum to replace the whole thing (every year by your estimation), which would be payng 1200 that you wouldn't have to on an x86

thats why art majors use macs and people with common sense use pc's

[isus]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Im sure that this thread will never end unless it starts flaming and gets closed for flaming or everyone makes isus happy by pretending that they love macs.

I LUV MACS, because they match the draps, plus there good for feng shui!!

Thanks apple for balancing my CHI!

lol. its not that. i am just seeing how uninformed the general public is...

notbob: you would still hafta replace the ram, graphics, and maybe even the optical drive and hard drive.

btw, you dont hafta pay to replace the whole mac... sonnet makes cpu upgrades. you can get a g4 cube (running an original 450mhz g4), then buy a cpu card that will boost that to 1.2ghz. buy some new ram, if it doesn't already have it... but thats about it.

[notbob]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Im sure that this thread will never end unless it starts flaming and gets closed for flaming or everyone makes isus happy by pretending that they love macs.

I LUV MACS, because they match the draps, plus there good for feng shui!!

Thanks apple for balancing my CHI!
that was your best post so far

score 1 for seph

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by isus
lol. its not that. i am just seeing how uninformed the general public is...


Maybe the general public doesnt care. No offense but one person trying to "re-educate" people never really works..

[isus]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Maybe the general public doesnt care. No offense but one person trying to "re-educate" people never really works..

worked for some people (mlk jr., malcolm x, prez clinton defining the word sex ;) )

i just think people should know that apple is a great alternative to windows, bc i think windows is moving towards a lot of drm, and apple is making progress everywhere lately.

if people don't like it that's fun. but i don't want someone to say "macs suck because they don't have any software". well, all that software compresses how much software you really need... i.e.: i use mp3weasel and winamp to do the job of just itunes...

so... not trying to kill anybody here... just wanting people to have clear opinions.

[mrlipring]

if i could install osx on my pc, i probably would. it's lovely. pity i can't. pity, also, that i can't play vice city on a mac. pity Fairuse ain't available for the mac. pity... you get the idea.

if i coud dual-boot, that'd be great.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by isus

at least have the balls to buy a power something.
btw: grab grab, since apple uses x11, how is most of the software closed? oh yea, that's right, you were trying to find an open-source itunes... my bad. grow up. at least read before you post nonsense. there is a lot of closed source progs for windows too if you would look around. or do you consider kazaa open-source since somebody was able to reshack it?

This is what is really sad about mac owners. Their ego is so tied up with their favorite toy that you cant say something nasty about apple without them taking it all personally.

I didnt say what youre accusing me of saying: that mac is 100% proprietary while a PC is completely open source. I was just pointing out that owning a PC is a much less proprietary affair than owning a mac, and that PCs are much more customizable. How does the fact that kazaa is closed source, or that a mac can run x11 change this?

If you think im wrong at least try to address what i actually said instead of putting words in my mouth and slinging insults around.

[crazytrain]

if i could install osx on my pc, i probably would. it's lovely. pity i can't.


You might check this link out G4/PC Hybrid (http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/supergeek/story/0,24330,3413988,00.html). Its a G4 mac and a Pentium III 1.2GHz PC in one case that lets you boot both at the same time on the same monitor.

Its pretty cool for those that like both MAC and PC.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by Sephiroth
I

I LUV MACS, because they match the draps, plus there good for feng shui!!

Thanks apple for balancing my CHI!


hahaha. thats freakin funny. yeh i forgot that owning a mac can give you a sense of spiritual well-being.


Originally posted by notbob
Ithats why art majors use macs and people with common sense use pc's

lol! good one. You forgot to mention they use them in hollywood as well. Another reason to steer well clear.

[isus]

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock
This is what is really sad about mac owners. Their ego is so tied up with their favorite toy that you cant say something nasty about apple without them taking it all personally.

I didnt say what youre accusing me of saying: that mac is 100% proprietary while a PC is completely open source. I was just pointing out that owning a PC is a much less proprietary affair than owning a mac, and that PCs are much more customizable. How does the fact that kazaa is closed source, or that a mac can run x11 change this?

If you think im wrong at least try to address what i actually said instead of putting words in my mouth and slinging insults around.

so you didn't say:
"its completely impossible to build (ie have your own custom) mac, because everything, hardware AND software is the ultimate in closed source."

everything is everything. nice try.

also, dont tell me that im putting words in your mouth when i just quoted you. and dont talk about slinging insults when you come in talking a load of shit about fisher price. aluminum better than the dull gray/black laptops you can get from hp and compaq.

"I could build a PC for half the amount of money it would take ti buy a mac with similar performance."
learn to read, and you would also see that a dual 1.42ghz pmac with lots of extras can cost you under $1800. and where would your warranty be? and the best parts? hmm, nowhere to be seen. seeing as how an amd 3000+ costs $321.00, and a good graphics card would cost another $300, you only have another 300 for everything else... that means $100 for a copy of windows, since you won't have a preloaded version from the company building your comp. then you need a mobo, hard drive, modem, lan, raid support, power supply, case, optical drive, and firewire.*buzz* nice try. to successfully match a pmac in options, you will have gone way over $900, which is what you said. half. half of $1800. sorry.

do some math before you try to beat me. i am good at math.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by isus
so you didn't say: so you didn't say:
"its completely impossible to build (ie have your own custom) mac, because everything, hardware AND software is the ultimate in closed source."

everything is everything. nice try.


Youre damn right i said everything about a mac is "the ultimate in closed source" , meaning that mac software and hardware is much more proprietary than windows software and hardware. Do you dispute this ?


Originally posted by isus
and dont talk about slinging insults when you come in talking a load of shit about fisher price.

Well i didnt mean to hurt your feelings. Really, i was serious when i said mac users shouldnt have their ego so tied up with their system.

Originally posted by isus
i am good at math.

So being good at math means being able to count in hundreds now does it? Well i am impressed.

I really cant be bothered to check the precise prices for a mac versus a PC, but i can pick up a good and athlon and motherboard for less than $300, and i sure as hell wouldnt be paying for my version of windows lol. You do realise this is zeropaid the filesharing portal, right?

Go on, admit it, macs are way more expensive than a PC with not nearly enough goodies in return.

[Ken17625]

Boy do I love a good apple!!

[isus]

Originally posted by grab_grab_the_haddock
Go on, admit it, macs are way more expensive than a PC with not nearly enough goodies in return.

if by saying "goodies", you mean, bloated, shittily implemented, unthought out crap... hell, i'll admit it.

you didnt hurt my feelings by talking about fisher price. really, i could care less. but telling me not to insult you is quite hypocritical when your first post insults anyone who uses an apple computer... you feel like a moron from being in the same room? hell, you are a moron...

yes, i know this is zp, but we're talking legally. i can illegally get a pmac for about $500 through my school... and any $500 pc would be whooped by it...

lol @ ken... i like the green apples better. they are sweeter.

[FrozenShadow23]

You say that Macs are better for graphical design, but I completely disagree. GIMP is better than any picture software that they have, plus it's free. As for movie editing, it all depends on the GUI that you want, but most all halfway decent video editing software programs have all of the same features, you just have to know how to use them. Mac OS any version is worst than any version of Windows (xcept ME) and much worst than most distributions of Linux. PC OS's are just more stable. Custumizing PCs is also easier (hardware or software). Having the Monitor built into the box is a major drawback, and Macs may *look* cooler, but the majority of them are much slower than most PCs. I don't know about you guys, but I like performance over visual presentation of a box.

[crazytrain]

You say that Macs are better for graphical design, but I completely disagree. GIMP is better than any picture software that they have, plus it's free.


What do you think GIMP was made for "a MAC" its originally designed for UNIX not Windows.

[Sephiroth]

Just because you and some others are hardcore mac users you see it as the greatest thing ever. The Open Source/ Linux hardcore, ATI, Nvidia, AMD, Intel, MS people, and fanboys for all other programs you all think that your respective part is the greatest thing ever.

And whenever anyone else doubts that you get annoyed and you feel the need that you have to correct everybody on everything. Which it happens alot and really its all just a personal choice.

Which your really better off just letting it go. Apple mainly is a cult following which they dont appeal to everyone and theres pretty much nothing you can say to change that.

[Ken17625]

lol @ ken... i like the green apples better. they are sweeter.

I do too, but google's image search is running low on the green ones.

[crazytrain]

Just because you and some others are hardcore mac users you see it as the greatest thing ever. The Open Source/ Linux hardcore, ATI, Nvidia, AMD, Intel, MS people, and fanboys for all other programs you all think that your respective part is the greatest thing ever.And whenever anyone else doubts that you get annoyed and you feel the need that you have to correct everybody on everything. Which it happens alot and really its all just a personal choice.

I hope that wasnt directed towards me for correcting FrozenShadow23,cause I dont even own a MAC.

I just know that Mac has some better features than a PC just like the PC has some better features than a Mac.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by crazytrain
I hope that wasnt directed towards me for correcting FrozenShadow23,cause I dont even own a MAC.

I just know that Mac has some better features than a PC just like the PC has some better features than a Mac.

no it wasnt aimed at you.

[grab_grab_the_haddock]

Originally posted by isus
if by saying "goodies", you mean, bloated, shittily implemented, unthought out crap... hell, i'll admit it.

Dont just generalise, say exactly what you mean. What can you do with a mac that i couldnt do with a PC of similar spec? Exactly what is so poorly implemented in a PC that justifies me paying hundreds of dollars more for a mac?

Originally posted by isus
you didnt hurt my feelings by talking about fisher price. really, i could care less. but telling me not to insult you is quite hypocritical when your first post insults anyone who uses an apple computer... you feel like a moron from being in the same room? hell, you are a moron...


Oh grow up little boy, You asked for honest opinions and i gave one. If you cant reply to any of the points i rasied (proprietary hardware + software, ridiculous price) without resorting to the typical girly fanboy approach of ignoring what i actually say and just slinging crap around then i suggest that threads which may provoke a little debate are not for you.

[isus]

crazytrain: it was directed at me.

whoever was talking about gimp... you can run it on osx using x11... once again, you haven't read a thing about osx...

lol @ ken again...

and grab grab:
windows messenger?
windows media player?

i especially love the fact that you cant rip mp3's without paying $10 to windows... haha...

there is no attempt on ms's behalf to have a serious video editing program like imovie or idvd... no isync for syncing pda's and bluetooth fones... no ical as a datebook... and safari is a lot faster at loading websites than msie.

i could care less about eye candy from microsoft... aqua beats classic windows anyday.

* actually, this thread has gotten way to serious... everybody relax. it's a bunch of opinions. im not gonna say anything else putting down ms. if anyone else wants to say anything to put down apple, have fun. the future of this thread is in your ends. i will respond to questions about osx, i will respond to ken (who is the only one making this thread fun...) but thats about it... enjoy

[crazytrain]

I do have to say the one thing APPLE has made that will probably reign supreme for a long time is the IPOD.That has to be the best mp3 player you can buy.Yes its expensive but you can get a MAC or Windows version and it just dominates any other mp3 player on the market at this time.

Small,lightweight,easy to use and upload your music to with a big harddrive and excellent battery compacity.

[notbob]

Originally posted by isus

windows messenger?
windows media player?

i especially love the fact that you cant rip mp3's without paying $10 to windows... haha...



i've never used either one (in fact there was an uninstaller for messenger, and i deleted the player)

and of the 20000 mp3s i made i never paid a dime

ever hear of LAME? winamp? ogg?

p.s. messengers are for idiotic teenage girls

[Undermind]

Originally posted by notbob


p.s. messengers are for idiotic teenage girls


and no messenger at all is for someone with absoluetly no friends, man that is just sad, do you need a hug or something? haha, well don't look at me

[Theinfamousone]

When I think about it, I don't know if I like PC better than Apple. This is like comparing Kazaa to Shareaza. Mike (Steve Jobs) has a can do attitude and tirelessly works to do everything, make his own monitors, mice, CPUs, hardware, iPods, OS, CPU, on and on and on. The rest of the world keeps on using Kazaa, the protocol is nice, and if you know what you want, you can get good files on Kazaa. But relatively speaking, there is higher quality on eDonkey and Gnutella2.

I'm not gonna stop using Kazaa any time soon though.

I've gotta hand it to Apple for a job well done on iDVD, iTunes and iMovie especially. I've tried dozens of DVD authoring software for PC (including $500+ programs), video editing software (adobe premiere 6.5, the undisputed best for PC, also $500) and iTunes is definately better than any media player, I've used, I use Windows Media Player with all the creation packs and it does pretty much everything though, I can't complain.

Still, I pray nightly they make an iTunes for Windows.

Hardware for PCs is cheaper to upgrade. The same video card I have for Mac would cost atleast twice as much.

Honestly I'm not sure if Safari is any faster than IE6. From what I've seen, it's nothing amazing. It all depends on the websites server 99% of the time, so I wouldn't switch just for that or anything. But I know a guy that is as pro PC as anyone that bought a G4 just for the simple software mac has.

When I grow up and get a lot of money, I'm probably going to get a Mac. Not an iMac, I'm gonna get a pimped out tower version with my speakers and monitor that I have now. That'll be awesome. My friend has a Windows emulator so he can use MacOS9, X, and Windows 98 or something. That's all you need.

Does anyone have any benchmark tests between P4s, Athlons, and G4s?

Or between Safari and IE6?

Ok, let's consider a few things. Apple has had firewire for 20 years or something. Even today it can beat USB 2.0 in most cases. When I think about their OS 10 years ago, when I was in elementary school, it was a lot better than Windows 3.1. Even better than Windows 95 which came out a few years later or Linux at that point (was it even around?) . At this point, the OSs have gotten to the point where you can do whatever you want, and it's just a matter of how they organize system files and ther kernels are pretty stable relatively speaking that I could live with any of them.

ClarisWorks or AppleWorks or whatever was better than anything they had for PC, and still is as good as Office XP or Open Office.

Think about the bundled Microsoft software, think about Paint, lol, Wordpad, even today they suck more than anything Apple had 10 years ago.

[notbob]

Originally posted by Undermind
and no messenger at all is for someone with absoluetly no friends, man that is just sad, do you need a hug or something? haha, well don't look at me

oh sorry i forgot to add no job and no life if they weren't teenage girls

[nasrules]

Well, let's see. They invented the iPod, the PowerBook and those gorgeous iMacs. I think I like them ;-)

[isus]

Originally posted by notbob
i've never used either one (in fact there was an uninstaller for messenger, and i deleted the player)

and of the 20000 mp3s i made i never paid a dime

ever hear of LAME? winamp? ogg?

p.s. messengers are for idiotic teenage girls

yea, i've heard of them. but the fact is, you can take a mac right out of the box, and without an internet connection, rip cd's to mp3, and watch movies with apple's dvd player or qt6...

also, that whole activation thing... that was stupid too. only from bill gates would you see such an attempt to protect his software from piracy.

and theinfamousone makes a really good set of points.

[maartendc]

Will all of you please stop wining and use whatever you like?
Mac has advantages, pc has advantages, period.

[notbob]

Originally posted by isus


also, that whole activation thing... that was stupid too. only from bill gates would you see such an attempt to protect his software from piracy.


apple has a way to prevent piracy too

their programs only work on computers that they build

now i'm no fan of bill gates, but he does have a right to prevent piracy

of course the activation thing is a joke anyway--i've reactivated office xp about 15 times, and they don't even ask for your name

[Ken17625]

Some of the flaming here is just sad. Its not even entertaining, its fucking petty pot shots........like this......

and no messenger at all is for someone with absoluetly no friends, man that is just sad, do you need a hug or something? haha, well don't look at me

If mods wan't to delete my posts for "vulgarities", then I think this should come before that on the list of "what posts to delete".

[notbob]

they have to at least give the illusion of control, along with the illusion of being impartial

of course they have neither

what do you expect from people who don't get paid? their only perk is their feeling of moral superiority

[mrlipring]

MS want people to be using their software. The more people use MS software the better as far as they're concerned. (pirated or not - MS would rather you were using a pirate version of XP than Linux for example - MS makes money from other things than selling software - driver certification etc)

I believe that MS made it easy to bypass XP's activation by getting a corporate edition, on purpose.

[dost]

Macs are more expensive, I'll agree to that, but you get what you pay for. Macs last much longer before you have to upgrade/get a new one.

As for upgrading, it's just as easy on a mac. You can upgrade just about anything, just like on a PC. But the best part about it is that you never need any drivers. When I was trying to connect a digital camera to my PC, Windows XP tried to find drivers on its own, and when that failed I had to go download them myself. The manufacturer didn't even have the camera listed, but after searching somewhere else I found it at last. But when I tried installing them the computer crashed. I gave up and tried on my mac. I plugged it in, and iPhoto opened up. It recogniced the camera at once, and I pressed one button and all the pics were transferred. This is just one example that you never need drivers on a mac.

On the OS side, my experience has been, working many years on both macs and pcs, that macs are a thousand times more stable. And now, with OS X, it's better than ever. Plus, it's a million times more secure than XP, where you find a security update every day fixing "a problem that allowed for a complete stranger to access everything on your computer."

As for software, I agree to it beeing more limited for macs, especially games. But OS X, which is built on the FreeBSD kernel, opened for all the software on UNIX/Linux to be ported extremely easy to the mac. The Fink (http://fink.sourceforge.net/) project handles most of the porting. This brings for example OpenOffice.org and GIMP, which another user pointed out earlier.

I can use floppy disks!!!

What the *** do you need them for? You can use CD-RWs just as easily, and it's much faster, more stable and allows for a lot more storage. Plus, you can just connect an external (or internal) floppy drive to your mac, and guess what, you don't need drivers!

They just got support for divx encoding. What would I have spent all those lonely nights doing the last 2 years? Not encoding movies, that's for sure.

They can't read Xvid or anything.

If you're on Apple, it's Quicktime, or, Quicktime.

It's Mac OS, or Mac OS.

It's iTunes or iTunes.

It's their way or the highway. They sued that one guy that made the iTunes plug in that allowed music sharing just because he didn't use their propriety coding language or something, that's just plane silly.

There's no virtualdub, no open source software (of any consequence), no BItTorrent, no Kazaa, Shareaza, or any of the random utilities like DivFix, or VobMerge, AVI Preview, nothing.

Macs have had both divx and xvid support for ages.

You don't have to use Quicktime. If you like Windows Media Player, it's also available for mac. Plus, you can use Mplayer or any other UNIX player if you want to.

You can also use Linux, FreeBSD, or any other OS on a mac too.

You don't have to use iTunes ether, if you don't like it, delete it. There is tons of other mp3 playing software available.

To say that there is no open source software is just wrong. Everything available on UNIX is available on a mac, because Mac OS X IS UNIX.

Still, I pray nightly they make an iTunes for Windows.

They are making it as we speak.

[isus]

thank you dost.

for this one post filled with sensible, correct information, you have surpassed 'newbie' status to me.