New.net Sues Lavasoft [Archive]

Ken17625

May 9th, 2003, 03:38 PM

Sockfulloflove

May 9th, 2003, 03:56 PM

ya that's messed up.

at.morris

May 9th, 2003, 03:59 PM

If what you're saying is true Ken (i have no reason to doubt it) then hopefully it will come up in the court case. That is what the trail is for. Perhaps when Lavasoft is found innocent, they could turn the tables!

isus

May 9th, 2003, 04:03 PM

lol... new.net can kiss my ass. lavasoft should countersue for what ken said (destructive behavior). new.net is just mad bc they KNOW they are losing money, and they want to try to get some back.

sad sad sad. pitiful attempt on new.net's behalf.

Sephiroth

May 9th, 2003, 07:26 PM

Why? They should be held accountable for the claims they make just like everyone else.

Which sites like lavasoft and grc only do those things so they can market their other products its not about all the other things which people want to believe.

notbob

May 9th, 2003, 07:45 PM

Sephiroth

May 9th, 2003, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by notbob

leave it to seph to defend some crooked scumbag (just like bush, vinnie, and countless others in the past)

And leave it to you to bash whoever is unpopular at the time because "everyone else is doing it"

If you want to distory what i posted to strech it to cover alot more than what it did and then critize me on it then fine go ahead.

All i said is that lavasoft is getting something back for doing all this, weather or not its good or bad i didnt say and personally i dont care since i use spybot anyways.

They are not perfect and what if they do make a mistake? Shouldnt they held responisble just like anyone else would? Or no is it because that you personally like ad-aware that they should be able to do whatever they feel like.

notbob

May 9th, 2003, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Sephiroth
And leave it to you to bash whoever is unpopular at the time because "everyone else is doing it"

you make strong statements, i make strong statements

if you don't want people calling you to the mat every once in a while, don't make your views so obvious

i'm glad you aren't a wishy washy little tart like most of the people around here, but that by no means means i like you

ATLien

May 9th, 2003, 08:32 PM

This is really "PHUCT UP!" I hate that New.net shit! Hate all spyware/adware!

isus

May 9th, 2003, 08:34 PM

hmm... not to hop into your convo here... but notbob has a point. you dont HAVE to put ad aware, spybot, or any other spyware-deleter on your comp. but new.net... there are many programs that use new.net. and it's mandatory.

plus, what does new.net do? if they allege it is not a data miner, id like to know what they think it does.

The Hunter

May 9th, 2003, 08:41 PM

I would love to see a independent test, as I feel new.net is not being up front. We all need to know exactly what it does.

serrebi101

May 9th, 2003, 08:45 PM

hello, I recently fell into there trap, aka, I lost my connection, however, re instaling settings, etc, didn't work, even ipconfig didn't work, so, I reformated, switched to xp pro, etc, but what the hell? there sueing lavasoft? shouldn't they be fixing there dam program? I was up to 3 in the fucking morning trying to fix my comp, I lost tuns of proggies, and downloaded stuff... O well, it was 6 months, the longest I've ever gone without reformating.
I also lost my liscence for my screen reader, so I am forced to use a demo, screw them!

Ken17625

May 9th, 2003, 08:50 PM

shouldn't they be fixing there dam program?

A program that doesn't ask your explicit permission to install, and then affects your internet connection should not be fixed. It should be destroyed.

It would be a tough choice between this and a virus. In some cases, i'd take the fucking virus.

The Hunter

May 9th, 2003, 08:56 PM

Agreed ken, it should have its ass stuffed with fire ants. IMHO
And for serribi to have problems with his screenreader because of this garbage just pisses me off.

Winphuk

May 9th, 2003, 09:29 PM

That's just great. If they win the case then everyone will have new.net inseminated into their PCs

Sephiroth

May 9th, 2003, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by The Hunter
I would love to see a independent test, as I feel new.net is not being up front. We all need to know exactly what it does.

Lets you access different domains which most of the isps support anyways. As for what else it does i dunno nothing as bad a Gator though which i doubt theres anyone worse.

Any problems with it "corrupting the stack" and etc only occur after the user tries to unistall it usually in some half assed way or the buggy ad-aware verison which removed it incorrectly which that was a long time ago.

The best way to ditch it without using a adware removal program is to use the unsintaller which should be in its directory FIRST before finding anything that it leaves behind to clean up to avoid that problem though.

Winphuk

May 9th, 2003, 09:35 PM

What alot of these programs do is put in an uninstaller that is itself spyware, then you have to remove the spyware that came with the uninstaller.

Sephiroth

May 9th, 2003, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Winphuk
What alot of these programs do is put in an uninstaller that is itself spyware, then you have to remove the spyware that came with the uninstaller.

Probably Gator and the few others who are similar and in some opinions worse. Which is why i suggest you look for anything that the uninstaller leaves behind or just use a adware removal program.

Winphuk

May 9th, 2003, 10:09 PM

I don't think they'll win in the long run anyway, because if they manage to get themselves removed from the adaware list, you'll still get a few small time developers that will specialize in removing just new.net

Lamourlady

May 10th, 2003, 08:59 AM

i still don't know what exactly this new.net is.
and what does this mean, winphuk?...

That's just great. If they win the case then everyone will have new.net inseminated into their PCs.

how would this happen if i don't even know who or what they r?
is there something i should know?
what does it ride in on, if it were to "inseminate" my computer?

Winphuk

May 10th, 2003, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by Lamourlady
i still don't know what exactly this new.net is.
and what does this mean, winphuk?...

how would this happen if i don't even know who or what they r?
is there something i should know?
what does it ride in on, if it were to "inseminate" my computer?

new.net is a domain hosting site, which gives people different top-level domain names like .mp3, .shop ect. The only way that the average browser can resolve these name is if someone unwittingly downloaded the a hijacker program that was bundled with KMD, GoZilla ect. There's also more info here :

http://www.safersite.com/PestInfo/N/NewNet_Adware.asp
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302463

Lamourlady

May 10th, 2003, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by Winphuk
new.net is a domain hosting site, which gives people different top-level domain names like .mp3, .shop ect. The only way that the average browser can resolve these name is if someone unwittingly downloaded the a hijacker program that was bundled with KMD, GoZilla ect. There's also more info here :

http://www.safersite.com/PestInfo/N/NewNet_Adware.asp
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302463

thanks, Winphuk, those links r exactly what i needed!
;)

Winphuk

May 10th, 2003, 09:56 AM

No prob

MikeHunt

October 29th, 2003, 02:13 PM

Lavasoft should just make a new catagory called (we will say) Sploogeware.

Just put any and all programs that object to being called spyware...adware in that catagory.
Better yet...give every program that objects... their own title and catagory.
Still defense against them all.
No one should be able to put crap on your computer without your knowledge or through trickery and deceptive practices.
Even cigerette packages have warnings. :hole

rainbowdemon

October 29th, 2003, 02:42 PM

The Hunter solved this problem a while ago. I believe the term he coined was "dungware".

RJ5500

October 29th, 2003, 03:21 PM

Who brought this old topic up?

I thought it was current. The last post in this topic (before the one that brought it up) was in May.

New.net and Gator are stupid if they think they can force their wares off onto people's computers and get away with it. AdAware is a good thing.

phalkon30

October 29th, 2003, 03:46 PM

Well, its been a while, who won?

kiwibank

October 29th, 2003, 04:07 PM

nobody ever forced ad-aware on my computer

new.net has gone on without my permission no less than 5 times

lavasoft makes money by selling a product that people want

new.net forces its way onto your computer and makes money by selling information you never implicitly gave permission for (yes they give an uninstall, but they don't tell you "you are installing new.net, a program that can seriously fuck your TCP stack")

leave it to seph to defend some crooked scumbag (just like bush, vinnie, and countless others in the past)

perhaps a large group of internet users who have had new.net shit on their computers without permission should undertake a large, class action lawsuit against new.net for some form of violation of privacy laws-accessing your computer without your express permission.

Netaku

October 29th, 2003, 06:31 PM

Lol, as if. If Lavasoft had to take new.net out of their definitions, more than one person would be smart enough create a small proggie that wipes out new.net, the law be damned.

shawners

October 29th, 2003, 08:07 PM

maybe random nut can find the malicious code and post it here =) OR ESV forums

shawners

October 29th, 2003, 08:12 PM

Oh yeah, they keep updating their software to take out the new versions, new net updates so lavasoft wont delete it, then lavasoft finds out, and updates their program to take it out.. ITs a vicious cycle.

Brycen257

November 1st, 2003, 09:23 PM

This one is a definite no brainer for me. Lavasoft is one of the best companies on the internet today and most people are extremely grateful to them for ad-aware and for the great informatrion thay have provided on spyware and adware. If Lavasoft says that newnet uses data mining cookies I believe them . This is unfortunately a very common practice on the internet today . Check your list of cookies sometime after you leave the internet and see how many of the suckers are there . You may be surprised and not pleasantly. Lavasoft and Ad-Aware rock and anyone who sues them will never get any sympathy from me.

Lamourlady

November 3rd, 2003, 07:02 AM

A program that doesn't ask your explicit permission to install, and then affects your internet connection should not be fixed. It should be destroyed.

It would be a tough choice between this and a virus. In some cases, i'd take the fucking virus.

yes.........kil zem.......kil zem now!
agreed, Ken.

RACKnRAIL

November 3rd, 2003, 07:26 AM

"...Complaint for false advertising, trade libel. Defendant falsely targets plaintiff as a 'Data Miner,' and prompts the computer user to remove the New.net's client software...."

http://icann.blog.us/2003/05/06.html#a1338

This was posted over at pctechtalk.com, referencing this source. Not much info to go by, but you get the general idea.

How fucked up is this? I mean a very destructive spyware/adware that if uninstalled incorrectly could KILL your internet connection and force you to reinstall drivers and settings is suing someone else!!! They should be sued and dissolved for there softwares destructive behavior. New.net should not be allowed to exist.

That link doesn't work. I get this: ERROR: Article # 06 not found. It must have been removed.

This is typical bullshit that one would expect from a company like New.net. I would expect the same from Gator/Claria as well. No one in their right mind would willingly accept their software...so they have to trick people into using it.

I noticed Norton 2004 is bundling spyware detection with their AV now. I think we're going to see more of this in the future. TechTV's Screensavers did a show recently on spyware/adware removal tools and which ones were the most effective. Check it out here (http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/darktips/story/0,24330,3555108,00.html)

method77

November 3rd, 2003, 08:17 AM

That link doesn't work. I get this: ERROR: Article # 06 not found. It must have been removed.

This is typical bullshit that one would expect from a company like New.net. I would expect the same from Gator/Claria as well. No one in their right mind would willingly accept their software...so they have to trick people into using it.

I noticed Norton 2004 is bundling spyware detection with their AV now. I think we're going to see more of this in the future. TechTV's Screensavers did a show recently on spyware/adware removal tools and which ones were the most effective. Check it out here (http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/darktips/story/0,24330,3555108,00.html)link doesn't work cause if you read the date entered you would understand. As far as Norton, that's one of the reasons most of us use other AV programs. And I don't mean McAfee. Use AVG or something similar.