Additional Networks in Shareaza

[canrocks]

Shareaza 1.9 will offer access to two additional P2P networks, both of which enjoy substantial popularity, as well as the premiere Gnutella2 network and support for the legacy Gnutella1 network. Following that, future versions will offer an even wider selection of networks.
There are apparently two new networks coming to Shareaza on May 6th. What will they be? Place your bets.
Damn it! I forgot Opennap.

[nasrules]

Well.............I have inside information, but I'm told that I will be shot if I let the news out, so I'm just gonna give you a clue:

"You may have thought it weird that Shareaza has support for this."

I'm saying no more.

[cpugeniusmv]

two words:

common sense.

[canrocks]

Is it SongSpy? AudioGalaxy? Napster? Cause that would be weird as hell.

[Ashitaka's Ghost]

Oh, come on! How many open P2P networks are there in the world today?

Three-- count 'em:

Gnutella (Shareaza has support for this)
Gnutella2 (this too)

and... drumroll...



BitTorrent! DUH!

The fourth one is a surprise, I suppose.

[moemohamed]

Bit - Torrent is also a good network to support. I don't know about implementation difficulty, but I sure know that it is a good network to deliver a highly demanded file.

[isus]

who are you kidding?

we all know its gonna be edonkey and winmx!

haha, just kidding...

it'll probably be edonkey and overnet, since they really are 2 seperate networks.

[nasrules]

Hmmmm.............................well AT LEAST one person here is right. But as loads of networks have been mentioned, it could be any of 'em! Hah!

[Torpedus]

Even if it were only one, if it's ed2k it rocks!!!!

Du-de-I-am-so-ex-ci-ted

[Torpedus]

Just have thought of that: if the second were freenet?? Man, then Shareaza would be really a step over the competition.

I don't think really it's gonna be freenet, but at least specs are public so it could be one of the next (the announce says there will be other additions!). Freenet doesn't seem mature enough, though, and you need the jdk 1.4 to run it... but it would be cool nonetheless!

[gnutellafan]

Originally posted by Torpedus
Just have thought of that: if the second were freenet?? Man, then Shareaza would be really a step over the competition.

I don't think really it's gonna be freenet, but at least specs are public so it could be one of the next (the announce says there will be other additions!). Freenet doesn't seem mature enough, though, and you need the jdk 1.4 to run it... but it would be cool nonetheless!

I might wet my pants if mike actually pulled off freenet support. This would sertainly be a huge suprise!

Im sure one of the networks is emule!

[Tremaine]

bittorrent would be the best to support and maybe ed2k, but mike seems like he likes to have the latest technology so probably overnet.

[isus]

EMULE IS NOT A NETWORK!
it is a client to the edonkey network.

anyway, i hope that mike makes it super ultra ridiculously easy to do shit on edonkey, bc i never really understood all the servers and stuff like that.

maybe i should read a tutorial...

emule does run on the edonkey network, right?

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by isus
EMULE IS NOT A NETWORK!
it is a client to the edonkey network.

anyway, i hope that mike makes it super ultra ridiculously easy to do shit on edonkey, bc i never really understood all the servers and stuff like that.

maybe i should read a tutorial...

emule does run on the edonkey network, right?

SO YOU MEAN THAT SHAREAZAZAZA IS GOING TO USE THE EMULE NETWORk!?!?

;-)

isus is correct, emule is a client of the edonkey network.

[Barbed Wire Kiss]

Ok, I 'm probably gettin ahead of myself here (NO! Scratch that, I AM gettin ahead :wings ).
If & when Kazaa loses it's battle with the evil empire, will Sharman release the spec on their protocol? Allowing Shareza the chance to swoop in & grab the ball.
We'll have the best client accessing the biggest network :santa

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by Barbed Wire Kiss
Ok, I 'm probably gettin ahead of myself here (NO! Scratch that, I AM gettin ahead :wings ).
If & when Kazaa loses it's battle with the evil empire, will Sharman release the spec on their protocol? Allowing Shareza the chance to swoop in & grab the ball.
We'll have the best client accessing the biggest network :santa
if they lose the battle, and they give out the protocol information...and by some chance shareaza uses it:

shareaza would be shut down for the same reason! so no, i don't think that will happen. unless they made changes in the protocol to make it completely decentralized.

[isus]

Originally posted by cpugeniusmv
SO YOU MEAN THAT SHAREAZAZAZA IS GOING TO USE THE EMULE NETWORk!?!?

;-)

isus is correct, emule is a client of the edonkey network.

lol... got a little dyslexic with the "aza" didn't ya? lol. dont forget to take you meds.

can't wait till tuesday to find out the networks it does connect to. kazaa and winmx together would be the best, but thats probably impossible :(

[nasrules]

Originally posted by isus
lol... got a little dyslexic with the "aza" didn't ya? lol. dont forget to take you meds.

can't wait till tuesday to find out the networks it does connect to. kazaa and winmx together would be the best, but thats probably impossible :(

I'll give you a clue: They ain't either of those.

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by nasrules
I'll give you a clue: They ain't either of those.

i'll give you another clue.

one of them rhymes with pjonkey, and the other rhymes with jogerbet

[Barbed Wire Kiss]

"shareaza would be shut down for the same reason! "
Good point, altho with the publicity they love they could be next on the list!

"unless they made changes in the protocol to make it completely decentralized."
I completely forgot that! Complete decentralization will be the first step to survival their attacks.

[Udi]

One of them simply has to be Piolet (and if the "second" is blubster... well that wouldn't be very nice)!

I don't know why but I have this feeling... Piolet's recent move to SHA1... Its promised "coming soon" upgrade to solve some connection problems... and G2 and piolet's both sharing space at ShareLive.com with actual support from the developers... we'll see :)

By the way! If you upload or download from a Shareaza user using a version above 1.8.2... he's probably using a private alpha\beta. Assuming his version already has support for those 2 networks - try browsing his files! If you recognize many many files that usually populate another network (maybe even a filename including, for example, sharereactor.com) then I guess we've got a winner!

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by Udi
One of them simply has to be Piolet (and if the "second" is blubster... well that wouldn't be very nice)!

I don't know why but I have this feeling... Piolet's recent move to SHA1... Its promised "coming soon" upgrade to solve some connection problems... and G2 and piolet's both sharing space at ShareLive.com with actual support from the developers... we'll see :)

By the way! If you upload or download from a Shareaza user using a version above 1.8.2... he's probably using a private alpha\beta. Assuming his version already has support for those 2 networks - try browsing his files! If you recognize many many files that usually populate another network (maybe even a filename including, for example, sharereactor.com) then I guess we've got a winner!
first: piolet and blubster are the same network.

second: i have the 1.8.2 version of shareaza, and i share my files from all the p2p clients...that doesn't mean that i've gotten them from shareaza...so your method of determining what clients are in it is flawed.

[evilmegaman]

Piolet's already got secrets up their sleeve so I don't think it will be Piolet. I bet it may actually be DC since Nasrules said it would be surprise but it isn't likely but it certainly would rock. but if it is opennap then... well.. oh well :P

[Udi]

Originally posted by cpugeniusmv
first: piolet and blubster are the same network.

second: i have the 1.8.2 version of shareaza, and i share my files from all the p2p clients...that doesn't mean that i've gotten them from shareaza...so your method of determining what clients are in it is flawed.

I know Piolet and Blubster are actually the same. That's why it would suck if Mike considers them as two for marketing purposes. But I suppose he doesn't. Does he?

And about files shared - yeah, I know, I do the exact same thing as you, and I have tons of ShareReactor stuff shared via Shareaza. But that's the best way I could think of to get better guesses...

[isus]

Originally posted by cpugeniusmv
i'll give you another clue.

one of them rhymes with pjonkey, and the other rhymes with jogerbet

jogerbet? pjonkey?

hmm, i dont know. i need a better hint. man, why'd you hafta make it so damn hard?? ;)

lol.

[nasrules]

OK, CPU got one right. But the second? Come on people, it ain't that hard! It's initials are the same as a UK phone company's, if that's any help!

Only 3 posts off the not-elusive-anymore 1000 mark isus!

[isus]

Originally posted by nasrules
OK, CPU got one right. But the second? Come on people, it ain't that hard! It's initials are the same as a UK phone company's, if that's any help!

LMAO!

i dont know any uk telephone co's... haha... silly goose...

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by nasrules
OK, CPU got one right. But the second? Come on people, it ain't that hard! It's initials are the same as a UK phone company's, if that's any help!

Only 3 posts off the not-elusive-anymore 1000 mark isus!

ah, okay updated clue:

1. bjonkey
2. jogernet
3. jiggerbent

[nasrules]

Originally posted by cpugeniusmv
ah, okay updated clue:

1. bjonkey
2. jogernet
3. jiggerbent

*scratches chin*

Hmmm.............I wonder where you could have got that idea from?

*cough, cough*

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Originally posted by cpugeniusmv
ah, okay updated clue:

1. bjonkey
2. jogernet
3. jiggerbent

Ok I think I know what that stands for...

[isus]

Originally posted by nasrules
OK, CPU got one right. But the second? Come on people, it ain't that hard! It's initials are the same as a UK phone company's, if that's any help!

Only 3 posts off the not-elusive-anymore 1000 mark isus!

lol, thank you... *bows* 1001...

still no idea what the second netwrok is. haha.

[notbob]

wow what a bunch of speculating spamming bastards

shut the hell up already

[nasrules]

Originally posted by notbob
wow what a bunch of speculating spamming bastards

shut the hell up already

Oh, go back to your hole in the fucking ground notbob. You never have anything positive to say anymore, so why are you still bothering us?

[p00n1s]

Originally posted by nasrules
OK, CPU got one right. But the second? Come on people, it ain't that hard! It's initials are the same as a UK phone company's, if that's any help!

I got it!!!

British Telecom

So I'm guessing one is BitTorrent. We know it's not FastTrack or WinMX. Probably not Piolet as it's proprietary. That leaves eD2k, Overnet, Freenet, and a slew of other networks. CPU got one right and I believe he said eD2k and Overnet, so it's gotta be one of those.

[notbob]

i know shareaza likes to use crappy spam tactics, but to stoop to the level of the Rapidroads etc is pitiful

put up a uninformative website and let the rabble speculate

as for the idiots saying "i know and i'm not going to tell" --go to hell--you could post it anonymously over at slyck and nobody would be the wiser

(as a sidenote for all the 1000 posters, nobody gives a flying fuck)

[cpugeniusmv]

Originally posted by p00n1s
I got it!!!

British Telecom

So I'm guessing one is BitTorrent. We know it's not FastTrack or WinMX. Probably not Piolet as it's proprietary. That leaves eD2k, Overnet, Freenet, and a slew of other networks. CPU got one right and I believe he said eD2k and Overnet, so it's gotta be one of those.
bittorrent is the correct answer.

and they consider ed2k/overnet as 1.

heh heh, we're good to go fellas

[Mel_Smiley]

Edonkey,. bittorrent isnt a P2P network so thats unlikely and would cause trackers to go down because of bandwidth limits. not a good idea



Hoy! Notboob, hold down the flames so we can have a thread NOTclosed for once

[notbob]

Originally posted by Mel_Smiley
Edonkey,. bittorrent isnt a P2P network so thats unlikely and would cause trackers to go down because of bandwidth limits. not a good idea



Hoy! Notboob, hold down the flames so we can have a thread NOTclosed for once

if i was flamin', you'd know about it

[Ashitaka's Ghost]

Originally posted by notbob
i know shareaza likes to use crappy spam tactics, but to stoop to the level of the Rapidroads etc is pitiful

Their server crashed, stupid. They aren't stooping to the level of anything, they're just busy restoring the site.

Anyway, eDonkey and BitTorrent, eh? The only two other networks I use! Nifty.

[p00n1s]

Originally posted by notbob
if i was flamin', you'd know about it

you are flaming, and yes, we know about it

[nasrules]

Originally posted by notbob
i know shareaza likes to use crappy spam tactics, but to stoop to the level of the Rapidroads etc is pitiful

put up a uninformative website and let the rabble speculate

as for the idiots saying "i know and i'm not going to tell" --go to hell--you could post it anonymously over at slyck and nobody would be the wiser

(as a sidenote for all the 1000 posters, nobody gives a flying fuck)

How about the idiots saying "I know and I AM going to tell"???? Hmmm?? As I said before, go back to your bin. You're like fucking Smeagol out of LOTR!

"The precious............the fat ugly hobbits stole it from us..........."

[isus]

just a wild guess, but i think notbob doesnt like shareaza...

[nasrules]

Originally posted by isus
just a wild guess, but i think notbob doesnt like shareaza...

I wonder where you could have got that idea from........?

[notbob]

Originally posted by isus
just a wild guess, but i think notbob doesnt like shareaza...

naaah
shareaza is fine, i've used it a few times

i just get sick of these trash threads where a bunch of people speculate about crap they have no idea about and suddenly become "experts"

then these threads usually end with the due date being stretched out, then it turns to "why do you think they didn't make their deadline?"

[jimmy90]

Will the gnutella protocols become superfluous to this new hybrid?

I guess the hybrids should inject a lot of content into the gnutella network.

I wonder when sites like ShareReactor will be distributed by P2P so I don't have to wait for their sloooow web server.

I wonder if everything will be answered tomorrow.

[nasrules]

To tell the truth, I don't think they should have called it Gnutella2. Because G1 is so crap, everyone assumes that G2 is the same. It isn't, and to be honest the Shareaza/G2 combination is the best I've tried. If you use Shareaza, I suggest you disable both of the G1 protocols (in Network Settings somewhere). It makes Shareaza MUCH better!

[Psilaxs]

Well looks like mike just screwed a lot of people out of a good thing called Bit Torrent. it is all down hill from here.

What makes Bittorrent so great is the fact you HAVE To upload what your downloading. If he doesnt implement that, he will effectively KILL Bit Torrent.


As I posted in the news reply section, if he is going to include the Donkey or Overnet network, this is going to be one queued clusterfuck.

I mean, integrating an already inefficient protocol/network, and placing more burden on it by implementing it in another program which has access to more then 2 networks(which is going to create a maelstrom of cross traffic) is a freaking horrible idea.

Here to hoping it works out (*Cough Mikes a network leach *Cough* lol)

[jimmy90]

Raza was the first client to succesfully run 2 protocols side by side while sharing hashes and in my opinion Raza works better with all networks turned on simply because the horizon of your sharing world inevitably gets bigger.

As for the complexity of queues - I have marvelled at eMule and some of the seemingly ridiculous queues I have been put on, but somehow I come back the following day and I have what I wanted. If Raza 1.9 can emulate or even improve on the resources of that network I may never have to look back.

[Nothingface5384]

Originally posted by PiRaNeTuS
So I guess the word on the street now is that it will support edonkey and bittorrent? Is that correct? This sounds like a great idea, just hope it works. From the looks of it though, it won't.

edonkey needs servers. So unless he is going to be able to implement some sort of "edonkey bot" (which edonkey users HATE) to automatically update the serverlist, users are probably not going to want to go to a dynamic site to update it.

Haven't had any experience with bittorent myself, so don't know what to comment on that. Only that, it appears that it is like edonkey, in that you have to upload to download. Now, as long as Mike keeps it that way, and not fucking up the protocol by leeching, this may have a possiblity of working. I guess we will just find out tommorow.

And what about system resources and such? Just about every program that tried to implement different protocols dies away. It is just too hard to maintain. However, here's to you Mike on hopefully succeeding where others have failed.
they dont need to make a bot..thats what overnet is for....as for bittornt..just think of it as sharereactor..but instead of indexiing the file ithink it actually hosts it..

[Nothingface5384]

Originally posted by evilmegaman
Piolet's already got secrets up their sleeve so I don't think it will be Piolet. I bet it may actually be DC since Nasrules said it would be surprise but it isn't likely but it certainly would rock. but if it is opennap then... well.. oh well :P

heh i knwo that sectet too...i also know of another or 2 :-P

ps. i need a new advatar lol

[Psilaxs]

I will be honest, i think shareaza is crap.

I think the only reason why people think it is so great is because they moved from one gnutella network, to shareaza.

And while shareaza is definately better then most other gnutella clients, in the end it is still just that. A gnutella client.

Look at where most of your downloads come from, more then 90% are comming from G1 protocol clients.

I have not much better luck with shareaza then any other gnutella based client.

1 file trickling in at a few measly K a second, with about 400 sources NOT active.

Yes I have run Shareza connected to only the g2 network and it was still only marginally better.

I really want to like Shareaza as it is about the most feature rich client there is, but in the end i feel this is suger coating to hide the fact that it isnt efficient at fetching files.

I know some do have tremendous luck with using it. (or say they do because they are a fanboy of it for some reason) But most I have spoken with have the same results as I do.


(Please dont flame me just because i do not like or speak fondly of Shareaza)

[Nothingface5384]

no need to worry bout me flamming ya..i feel basicly the same about it..i guess thats why making a mldonkely like client is a good move....

[Ashitaka's Ghost]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
And while shareaza is definately better then most other gnutella clients, in the end it is still just that. A gnutella client.

That's why they're adding eDonkey and BitTorrent! Umm, hello?!?!

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by Ashitaka's Ghost
That's why they're adding eDonkey and BitTorrent! Umm, hello?!?!

And if you would have read the rest of my post (or comprehended it) you would understand why i think that is a BAD idea.

Also, what do you think E Donkey is?? It runs on the Gnutella protocol. (albeit it is a closed network)

[nasrules]

Originally posted by Ashitaka's Ghost
That's why they're adding eDonkey and BitTorrent! Umm, hello?!?!

ROFL!!! Good point man!!! (or woman ;-)

Mike will HAVE to implement the forced uploading, otherwise it won't work AT ALL.

Don't forget Overnet.

[Ashitaka's Ghost]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
And if you would have read the rest of my post (or comprehended it) you would understand why i think that is a BAD idea.

Sorry, sir, I did and I don't.

What makes you think that Mike won't do PFS in BitTorrent? That's kind of... oh, I dunno... stupid.

[canrocks]

So the consensus is now that the two new networks accessible by Shareaza will be :
Bittorrent
Overnet
Correct me if I'm wrong here, Nasrules

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by Ashitaka's Ghost
Sorry, sir, I did and I don't.

What makes you think that Mike won't do PFS in BitTorrent? That's kind of... oh, I dunno... stupid.

PFS I am assuming you mean Partial Forced Sharing,

Well, after doing alot of reading about how shareaza works, and many other developers opinions about it, shareaza is a hostile client.

Take a look at your network statistics while using it, you will see the backbone of shareaza is G1

And also, with the way Bit Torrent works, You are forced to upload what you are downloading, so while you may be able to access other networks, it would be useless for other networks/shareaza clients to access you on a g1 or Overnet level, because you will have no bandwidth left to upload something using the g2 or overnet protocol. if you are downloading something from bit torrent.

There will be a big pool of files to choose from yes,
but for all practical purposes, if you are downloading something from Bit Torrent using shareaza you are efectively shutting out
all of the other networks you are connected to.

Which will lead to more queues (Something overnet DOES NOT need)

[Udi]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
PFS I am assuming you mean Partial Forced Sharing,

Well, after doing alot of reading about how shareaza works, and many other developers opinions about it, shareaza is a hostile client.

Take a look at your network statistics while using it, you will see the backbone of shareaza is G1

And also, with the way Bit Torrent works, You are forced to upload what you are downloading, so while you may be able to access other networks, it would be useless for other networks/shareaza clients to access you on a g1 or Overnet level, because you will have no bandwidth left to upload something using the g2 or overnet protocol. if you are downloading something from bit torrent.

There will be a big pool of files to choose from yes,
but for all practical purposes, if you are downloading something from Bit Torrent using shareaza you are efectively shutting out
all of the other networks you are connected to.

Which will lead to more queues (Something overnet DOES NOT need)

Umm... assuming G1 is really "the backbone" of Shareaza... how does it make it hostile?! At least 40% of my uploads are to G1 clients, and no more than 5% of my downloads are from G1. You can't quite call it leeching, so what's so hostile about that?

I never tried BitTorent, but rest assured that Shareaza won't leech off BitTorrent either. I heard that the uplod scheme of the new beta is completely revamped, and I'm sure it takes BitTorrent into account. Probably only a certain amount of the upload bandwidth is allocated to Bitorrent sharing (just like when you run a BitTorrent and another Gnutella client simultaneously, i assume). I can't even see what's the problem.

We'll just have to wait abd see how the new networks are implemented. I understand that the concept was already privately beta-tested, so hopefully it already works pretty well and fairly. The whole point of the public beta is to find problems with the new networks and fix them before "going gold". Let's just wait for the release today and try to help, cause this new version could really turn out well!

[nasrules]

Well, it's Tuesday 6th May, is the new version out yet? I don't think so! 4pm here in the UK, what time is it in California guys?

[Udi]

Mike's Australian, I bet it's already May 7th there. Maybe he'll post it in the morning :)

[Psilaxs]

One positive thing, i can think of with Shareaza implementing Bit Torrent is, it may help to keep Torrents alive longer.

But still this may have a very negetive effect on torrent sites.

[cpugeniusmv]

found this page:

http://cgi3.ebay.com.au/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?TimeShow

tells australian time and californian time.

it's may 7th in australia.

i should have known. :mellow

[nasrules]

Originally posted by cpugeniusmv
found this page:

http://cgi3.ebay.com.au/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?TimeShow

tells australian time and californian time.

it's may 7th in australia.

i should have known. :mellow

True, but technically they could wait until the very last second that it's May 6th ANYWHERE in the world. They didn't say it would be when they were at May 6th.

*sighs*

I hope they get a beta out anyway, even if it doesn't have all the features. Otherwise, there's a chance it'll be branded "vaporware".

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by nasrules
True, but technically they could wait until the very last second that it's May 6th ANYWHERE in the world. They didn't say it would be when they were at May 6th.

*sighs*

I hope they get a beta out anyway, even if it doesn't have all the features. Otherwise, there's a chance it'll be branded "vaporware".

VAPORWARE??? on the p2p scene??? Naaww..................

[endersgame21]

Originally posted by nasrules
Well, it's Tuesday 6th May, is the new version out yet? I don't think so! 4pm here in the UK, what time is it in California guys?
I live in california and it is 10:06 here and you made that post about an hour and a half ago. If Mike goes by Californian time then we still have a ways to go.

[Ashitaka's Ghost]

Originally posted by Psilaxs
Well, after doing alot of reading about how shareaza works, and many other developers opinions about it, shareaza is a hostile client.

Cute.

Anyway, the new client is out, see the other thread. ^_^

[endersgame21]

Originally posted by Ashitaka's Ghost
Cute.

Anyway, the new client is out, see the other thread. ^_^
Yep, I am downloading it now.

Here is the link to the other thread: http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=10173
Here is the link to the exe: http://download.server3.come2store.com/net/Shareaza1880.exe

[Psilaxs]

Originally posted by Ashitaka's Ghost
Cute.

Anyway, the new client is out, see the other thread. ^_^

Aww come on now, just because we have differing views doesnt mean we cant get along :-)

[Theinfamousone]

So, the networks were BitTorrent and Edonkey. Does that mean that we can't download from overnet peeps?

The day Mike allows access to freenet is the day I run around yelling to the world that P2P has finally beaten the bad guys.

[Ken17625]

Ya know, I always complain about fanboys. Hell, a lot of people do. But what I didn't realize was that they may in fact be.........brainwashed!

Heres proof:







i'm joking of course

[hybridclient]

hi

we only need the programm WASTE in Shareza. Not as a training tool, biut for the buddylsit and de.chatrooms.
The filesearch shopuld be possible in the buddylist, but not in the main gnutellasearch.
problem to solve would be to make a bzuddylist not out of stragers posting the key by random, but only with stable freinds. this means the bootstrapping problem has to be solved in combinition with a guid search.
If you have found ONE guid fitting the buddylist, then you can find all other over WASTE.

This is the good thing.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Buddy Lists and Chat rooms!!
Buddy Lists and Chat rooms!!
Buddy Lists and Chat rooms!!
Buddy Lists and Chat rooms!!
Buddy Lists and Chat rooms!!
Buddy Lists and Chat rooms!!
Buddy Lists and Chat rooms!!


Can you stfu and say something else?
What is important is working on improving the network not working on buddy lists...god man have some sense

[hybridclient]

the client is stable, even under win 98
the network is stable if partials can by found by keywordsearch
and the userbase is stable, if there is a community function with WASTE and a de-buddylist, de-chatroom and INHOUSE sharing over secure buddylane.

This makes sense to me.

[Evil_Dweller_01]

Originally posted by hybridclient
the client is stable, even under win 98
the network is stable if partials can by found by keywordsearch
and the userbase is stable, if there is a community function with WASTE and a de-buddylist, de-chatroom and INHOUSE sharing over secure buddylane.

This makes sense to me.

OK it does make sense...but let them at least release a FINAL version before requesting all of this

That makes sense too eh? lol